Talk:Hurricane Marco (2020)

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info box and other things

Does anybody know how to make an info box, tried (but failed) and those are in most tropical cyclone articles, if not all. I like hurricanes (talk) 23:30, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think I have that taken care of now. The easiest way to do this is to copy the infobox from another TC article on a similar storm in the same basin, and then make the appropriate changes to the individual parameters in the infobox. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 00:21, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

LightandDark2000, very true. Looks like Marco's is now taken care of. LOL. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 01:02, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Important?

So if this storm makes landfall on the USA as a tropical depression and doesn't cause significant damage, then why did it still get its own article? Is it because 1 person died? Genevieve must've killed like 2 people before it was moved to its own article. Weird.
Seaotter26705 (talk) 21:26, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Seaotter26705: It was because of the preparations, meager impacts, and the timing (Laura and Marco). Still enough to justify an article. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 22:18, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NOAA properly classified it as a Tropical Storm as it made landfall. Persons unknown intend to falsify that status. Require NOAA authorization for changes? I can cite the Hurricane Center page. 67.58.130.222 (talk) 08:36, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Death in Chiapas

Using the Convective Outlook from NHC (https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/xgtwo/gtwo_archive.php?current_issuance=202008210543&basin=atl&fdays=2), it is impossible to relate the death in Chiapas to Marco. All the clouds associated with the storm are in the Carabian Sea while Chipas is close to th Pacific and under unrelated convection. I think that the journalist in the reference as been misled.

Pierre cb (talk) 13:12, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pierre cb: I see what you’re getting at. Looks more like a frontal feature or a wave that Marco itself. The outermost rain bands looked to be 50-100 miles away, but it is still possible that the death is related to Marco’s moisture envelope. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:06, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Destroyeraa: This is unlikely, especially that none of the NHC MARCO dicussion mention about this. Instead, they talk about the Southwest shear moving the convection away to the East of the center and warnings are issued for the tip of the Yucatan peninsula, not further west (https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2020/MARCO_graphics.php). Pierre cb (talk) 22:06, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pierre cb: for now we have to go with the media reports. We'll likely have to wait for the TCR to be certain whether or not it's related. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 22:09, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, bringing this up again because of the TCR's publishing, but it says that no deaths were connected to Marco. I think we can count it as unrelated. StormedEditor (talk) 00:23, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Possible GA

Hey, if anyone's watching this talk page, I'm just letting you all know that once it is expanded, copy-edited and sourced, then I might nominate it for a possible GA. Just a note. Tails Wx 21:56, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 21:48, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Marco (2020)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Etriusus (talk · contribs) 05:26, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Grabbing this review

Images

All the rights are in order.
Captions look good
Minor MOS:SANDWICH issue

Copy-vios

Nothing exciting
Earwig only flags simple phrases and proper nouns

Sourcing

FN 1 and FN 3 are duplicates

References 1 and 3? They're different outlooks. Tails Wx 17:49, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, you're right, I wasn't checking the archived source, my bad. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 21:46, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No concerns about reliability.
All links are either live or archived

Misc

Minor vandalism in May, but page is currently stable.
Nominator is primary author

Prose

was the first of two tropical cyclones to threaten the Gulf Coast of the United States within a three-day period, with the other being Hurricane Laura.

- MOS:FIRST The first sentence is meant to give a brief summary, this is a bit too vague

Done! Tails Wx 15:57, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The thirteenth named storm and third hurricane of the record-breaking 2020 Atlantic hurricane season...

- Weirdly formatted sentence

Most leads in hurricanes describe it like that. Tails Wx 16:15, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Due to strong wind shear... Split sentence

Done! Tails Wx 15:57, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the formed date listed as "August 20, 2020", there is nothing in the body to support this

Body now supports the formation of the tropical cyclone on August 20. Tails Wx 16:21, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shortly after being named, Marco continued to contradict the forecasts and followed a more northerly course

-It's never explained what the forecasts were. This is also contradicted since you later say the storm went east, this may be a product that the fact that there is no chronology established here.

Removed! Tails Wx 16:17, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As it was a small system... reorder sentence, hard to follow

Done! Tails Wx 15:57, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

'Relentless ' WP:PUFFERY

Fixed! Tails Wx 15:57, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

but that was changed in post-storm analysis. What was it changed to?

Done! Tails Wx 15:57, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Tropical Depression Fourteen" why is it designated at 13th somewhere else, more clarification is needed

Done Tails Wx 16:15, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"600 additional resources"

-Don't start a sentence with numbers, say "Six hundred" (There's a MOS policy somewhere but I'm writing this at 1:30 AM)

Done! Tails Wx 15:57, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

this was more than twice the average August rainfall of 9.1 in (231 mm) awkward wording

Fixed! Tails Wx 15:57, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Despite this, the NHC did not attribute Marco to any deaths in their post-storm report why?

Unfortunately, there's no reason why. The tropical cyclone report the National Hurricane Center released for Marco did not mention the indirect death, therefore the reason is unknown. Numerous sources did state that there was a death connected to the tropical cyclone, however. Tails Wx 16:26, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

there was flooding due to the growth of rivers that come from mountains nearby awkward wording

Done! Tails Wx 16:15, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

However, heavy rainfall Cut however, repetitive wording

Done! Tails Wx 15:57, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The prose is a little awkward, but otherwise the page is close to GA status. Kicking it back to you. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 05:26, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tails Wx That appears to be everything, I made a second pass of the article and made some minor prose modifications, please review them when you can. While ALT text is highly recommended, it is not an explicit GA criteria. At this time the article passes, congrats on another GA!!! 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 21:47, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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