Talk:Hurricane Lili (1996)

Merge

This article is skin and bones with no hope of a healthy future. Let's merge it with 1996 Atlantic hurricane season. Thoughts? Concerns? Rantings and ravings? -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 04:54, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Despite this author's usual tendencies, I think this page has a lot of information. I find the political information especially good for an article. It needs some copywriting, but I think this storm is important enough that it could remain an article. Of course, if the information was false, and the storm was not as bad as remembered, I might change my mind, but I am content with keeping the article. However, there are plenty others I want to see go... Hurricanehink 20:34, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree. Writing is terrible, content is passable. Jdorje 05:34, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Re. Lili

The information is correct and I dont know why that the storm didnt make the headlines in the U.S. back then (especally the political fallout after the storm), so I'm favoring of keeping the article. Storm05 17:30, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Please improve the article then with correct grammar, spelling, wikification, and structure. Jdorje 18:05, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Stolen

Some of the text in the article was stolen. I deleted it. Jdorje 18:16, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Todo

Main thing is the entire article has to be checked to make sure the original author didn't just copy-and-paste it. The aftermath section is spaghetti and needs a full copyedit. Other sections are confused: for instance the impact section on Great Britain gives part of the storm history for some reason. The external links is way too long (linking to individual pictures? no way.). Jdorje 20:40, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I've forgot to cite some of the information when I wrote the article Storm05 18:13, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

It needs more citations, and perhaps more content, before it can attain B class. Thegreatdr 19:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I think this article has a very short MH for a hurricane that lasted over two weeks. --12george1 (talk) 03:10, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Lili (1996)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: 12george1 (talk · contribs) 02:18, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

• "Hurricane Lili was a relatively long-lived hurricane during the very active 1996 Atlantic hurricane season." - Can't you find something better for an open sentence? Also, "very active" is subjective, as the season had 13 named storms, not to far above the NOAA average of 11 or CSU 1950-2000 average of 9.6
  • I switched it to emphasize how varied the countries affected were. That is a very key bit about the storm. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• "briefly peaking as a category 3 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale near the Bahamas." - Capital "C" on category
  • Why? It's not a proper noun. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Fine, but then you need to fix the other uses of "category".--12george1 (talk) 20:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
      • Done. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 20:59, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• "Early in its duration, Lili caused flooding in Central America that left thousands homeless and killed 14 people." - Wikilink to Central America
  • Ehh, disagreed. I linked it in the infobox because it's customary there, but I think it's a common enough term. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Then why wikilink Africa in the next sentence?--12george1 (talk) 20:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
      • That wasn't intentional. I used part of the lead from the previous version. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 20:59, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• "produced strong winds and high seas that damaged hundreds of houses, causing $300 million in damage (1996 USD) and six deaths." - Why is there a "(1996 USD)" here?
  • Because the damage was in 1996 USD? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Well, there is already one in the fourth sentence of that paragraph: "The rains heavily damaged the sugar cane and banana crops, and overall damage in the country was estimated at $362 million (1996 USD)."--12george1 (talk) 20:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
      • But the dollar sign alone is ambiguous. I didn't feel the need to do the note of "all damage totals are in 1996 USD." Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 20:59, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• "This made Lili the sixth major hurricane, or Category 3 on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale, of the season.[1]" - Maybe & ndash; should be used here?
  • Good call! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• "Lili killed ten people throughout its lifetime. Eight were reported in Central America, and two in the United Kingdom. Damage figures for Central America and the Bahamas are unavailable, but total damages in Central America, Cuba, and the British Isles were estimated at $662 million (1996 USD)." - Why is there a "(1996 USD"? Also, [citation needed]
  • Why shouldn't there be a USD? I fixed the deaths bit. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Are we not using that note system anymore?--12george1 (talk) 20:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• "On October 16, a tropical storm warning was put in place for several provinces," - Can you be more specific of which provinces?
  • Given most people have never heard of any Cuban provinces, I didn't think it was terribly necessary to say exactly which ones. Do you still want them? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• "and in Mantanzas, 7,500 tons of citrus crops were heavily damaged" - Did you mean "Matanzas"?
  • Yep. Fixed. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• "A tropical storm warning was later issued for the southeastern Bahamas and the Turks and Caicos Islands islands." - "Islands islands"?
  • Heh, fixed. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• "Cuban airspace in February 1996, United States President Bill Clinton banned" - Wikilink to President of the United States
  • Why? It isn't that related to the article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Hating on the POTUS, I see :P. I'll let this slide.--12george1 (talk) 20:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• From reference 2: "Hurricane Lili Takes Aim at Havana". ReliefWeb. Reut. 1996-10-18. Retrieved 2013-06-18." What is Reut? I assume you mean Reuters.
  • Heh, yep. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• On references 4 and 5, add the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies.
  • They were there, but evidently in the wrong parameter. I fixed it from agency to author. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• On reference 6, add the United Nations Department of Humanitarian Affair
  • Ditto as above. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• On reference 9, add the Church World Service
  • Again. Did you actually click on the links to see who the authors were, or were you being annoying and saw they were in there as agency, and just wanted me to fix them to say author? :P ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• I thought no one was allowed to use David Longshore's "Encyclopedia of Hurricanes, Typhoons, and Cyclones, New Edition."
  • Why? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Well, apparently it contains inaccurate information in some places, so Longhore's book is highly discouraged.
      • Nothing seemed inaccurate or implausible here. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 20:59, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• "Pielke, Roger; Rubiera, Jose; Landsea, Christopher; Fernandez, Mario; Klein, Roberta" - Fix this so that the first names are first
• "Roth, David (2007-04-23)." - Same here
  • Fixed both. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• How could reference 19 been published in October 1996 if it is about the weather of that month?
  • Time travel? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
• Ok, I am satisfied with the condition of this article. I will now pass and list it as a GA. Regards, --12george1 (talk) 21:04, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

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