Talk:Hurricane Greta–Olivia

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Review: January 2, 2014. (Reviewed version).

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The "comparisons to other storms" section seems a bit dangling. Maybe it should be merged under "Preparations" or some such. Also there are a number of small grammar mistakes. Jdorje 04:14, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Storm Path

The storm path showed a northward movement 15.7N 93E to 16N 93E. However, if you check the best best track data, these two positions were both taken at 09/20/00Z. I think either one of the positions is better. Momoko

I think the latter is better. In the EPAC Best Track, it lists Olivia's first position at 16 and 93 at the same time of Greta's last position. Hurricanehink 13:59, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see this as a particular problem. Since it was a depression its center of circulation was not particularly well defined. The only problem is that two positions are given for the same time, but this is not much of a problem since they largely overlap each other anyway. If anything, this complaint should be sent to the NHC since obviously their best-track datasets should no conflict like this. — jdorje (talk) 03:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I always thought that if an Atlantic storm moves into another tropical ocean basin, that it keeps it's original name. huh...interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliancolton (talk • contribs) 20:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This was changed by the NHC after Hurricane Cesar to that format.^Mitch32^contribs 20:22, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contribs) 00:41, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Hurricanehink, welcome to the 2014 WikiCup!

Greta's peak should be 135 mph, not 130 mph, unless I'm mistaken. I know the NHC made a change last year, but that only counts for post 2012. You'll have to insert 116 into the template to get it to convert correctly.
- I'll ask this on the project talk page. The SSHS is retroactive already. They didn't have it in the 1950s, but we still use it for those. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Hurricane Greta–Olivia was a Category 4 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson scale that crossed over Central America, changing names upon reaching the Eastern Pacific in September 1978." - this is a pretty bland opening sentence that [IMO] doesn't really draw the reader in adequately. How about noting it was 1 of 6 tropical cyclones on record to maintain its status as it crossed basins? Also...a nitpick...but the dash between "Saffir" and "Simpson" should be an en dash, and you should add "hurricane wind" thereafter.
- Sure, that works! And now, SSHS has been removed. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"On September 19, it made landfall on Belize near Dangriga, and quickly weakened into a tropical depression while crossing Guatemala and southeastern Mexico." - is the second comma necessary?
- Removed. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Taking a similar path to Hurricane Fifi four years prior, Greta threatened to reproduce the devastating effects of the catastrophic storm; however damage and loss of life was significantly less than feared." - a comma after however is necessary.
- Took the comma from the previous statement and put it here. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"In Honduras, about 1,200 homes were damaged, about half of which in towns along the coastline." - missing a "were"?
- Nope. That's not necessary grammatically. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Later that day, it is estimated the system developed into a tropical depression about 75 mi (121 km) west-northwest of Trinidad, based on ship and land reports." - need to round.
- GAH! Stupid convert template. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Though located in a climatologically unfavorable area, the depression intensified and continued to develop." - this would be going out of your way, but I think it's crucial in the understanding of what this means: if you search on Google for results pertaining to the southeast Caribbean Sea and the tropical cyclone dead zone, you should find some information on why the area is unfavorable. It'd be great if you could add that to the article.
- Ehh.... I mean that would be better for a tropical cyclone climatology article. I don't think it's so important, especially since there are several counter examples to it being climatologically unfavorable. I'm sorry, I just feel that's a little extraneous. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"After becoming a tropical storm, Greta intensified slowly due to a strong trough to the northwest,[1] and inflow to the south was disrupted by the South American coastline." - is there any way you could reword the third part of this sentence? It's pretty confusing given the first and second parts of the sentence.
- Better? The whole sentence is about why it didn't intensify much initially. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Shortly thereafter, the trough to the northwest weakened, which had been preventing the storm's intensification." → "Shortly thereafter, the trough, which had been preventing the storm's intensification, to the northwest weakened."
- Sorry, I disagree. I think the current one flows better, as yours is confusing. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"An increasingly well-defined eye developed as the barometric pressure quickly dropped while approaching the coast of Honduras." - the eye was approaching the coast of Honduras or the barometric pressure was approaching the coast of Honduras? Pretty confusing.
- Swapped order :) --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Early on September 18, the eyewall passed just offshore Cabo Gracias a Dios, which is the border between Honduras and Nicaragua,[4] and is relatively unpopulated." → "Early on September 18, Greta's eyewall passed just offshore Cabo Gracias a Dios, the sparsely populated border between Honduras and Nicaragua." or something of the sort.
- Ooh, I like! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"At 0710 UTC on September 18, the Hurricane hunters observed a minimum pressure of 947 mbar (28.0 inHg) just off the northern Honduras coast, which was the basis for the estimated peak intensity of 130 mph (215 km/h). This made it a Category 4 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale." - 135 mph. "Hurricane Wind Scale" should not be capitalized.
- NHC disagrees. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"At 0000 UTC on September 20, the Eastern Pacific Hurricane Center (EPHC) took over responsibility for issuing advisories while Greta was 30 mi (48 km) from the coast." - round.
- >:( --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"After initially moving to the north, Olivia turned to a southward drift while executing a counterclockwise loop." - wut.
- Better? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"That day, while approaching the Mexican coast, the hurricane weakened to tropical storm status, and between 1900 and 2000 UTC Olivia made landfall about 60 mi (95 km) east of Salina Cruz." - "While tracking towards the Mexican coastline, the system weakened below hurricane threshold; between 1900 and 2000 UTC, Olivia made landfall about 60 mi (95 km) east of Salina Cruz."
- Nice. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Late on September 17 when Greta's eye was just offshore Honduras, the country's government issued a hurricane warning for the eastern coastline; around the same time, the Mexican government issued a hurricane warning for the eastern Yucatán peninsula,[12] and on September 18 a hurricane warning was issued for the Belize and Guatemala coastlines." - this might read better if it's split up.
- Simply turned the semicolon into a period. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"When Greta passed just offshore northeastern Honduras, it produced winds of 80 mph (130 km/h) in Puerto Lempira, with gusts to 115 mph (185 km/h)." - I'd add "sustained" just before "winds" to ensure maximum clarity.
- Added. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"In Honduras, meteorologists estimated that upwards of 15 in (380 mm) of rain fell in mountainous regions, likely triggering flash flooding and landslides." - likely? :S Did they or didn't they?
- No confirmation. I removed. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"There was little damage in the city,[25] although there were reports of a tornado in Belize City that damaged four houses and flipped over a truck." - you note "reports" -- was it confirmed?
- Removed "reports". --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"...the units also deployed a 13 person crew who specialized in disaster relief." - a hyphen between "13" and "crew" would work.
- Sure. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
...the World Meteorological Organization lists Greta as under its retired hurricane name list." - "as under its" → "in".
- Fixed. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The majority of your refs are in YYYYMMDD, so I'd modify #26 to match.
- It is. Ref #26 gives the date as Month Year, but there isn't an available date to put it in for YYYYMMDD. I wouldn't put it as 1978 March. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That should be all. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:41, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well this is awkward. While I was reviewing the article, Cloudchased initiated the page so he could review it. I'll let Cloudchased take over and you can just use my comments as a second opinion. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 00:43, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I think I got everything. :) --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything else holding this back from passing. If the rest of the project agrees that 115kt should be 135 mph for systems prior to 2012, I'll come and change it in the article. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 04:07, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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