Talk:Hurricane Bonnie (1986)

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Add aftermath and images, if possible. A spell-check couldn't hurt either. Tito xd^{(?!? - help us)} 02:56, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ON the rainfall pic, it shows another track titled "Upper Track Vortex" splitting off from Bonnie. What is it? Icelandic Hurricane #12_(talk) 11:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An MCS that formed within Bonnie's circulation, which outlived the surface circulation. Check out the satellite imagery. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:20, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

This is ridiculous!This is the 2nd article, you've taken-and plus most of the information IS MY WORK!!!!!!!"22,000 people were evacuated before Bonnie made landfall in High Island. Three people were killed in association with Bonnie. The first death occurred in Port Arthur, Texas, when a partially paralyzed woman lost her life to a fire in her house. Authorities said the fire was probably set by candlesticks. The second death happened when a 56 year old man drove off the road in the bad weather from Bonnie, and was hit by another car. The third death was caused in a head-on collision between two cars.

Bonnie caused a storm surge as high as 5.2 feet in some areas. Streets were flooded throughout Southeast Texas. Rainfall totaled to 13 inches in 980 sites through out Texas and Louisiana. Bonnie also spawned 11 tornadoes throughout the area.

Most of the damage from Bonnie came in Texas. A small dam in Big Thicket Lake Estates in Liberty County, Texas, collapsed because of Bonnie. Port Arthur took a toll when major power outages occurred from Bonnie's effects. The city was full of debris once Bonnie passed over. In Southwest Louisiana, about 25 homes, trailers and cabins were destroyed " is all written by me! Also is "Two warnings were released in because of Bonnie. The first one was a hurricane watch and gale warning from Port O'Connor, Texas to the mouth of the Mississippi River from June 25 to the 26th. The 2nd was a hurricane warning from west of Morgan City, Louisiana to Freeport, Texas on the."HurricaneCraze32 21:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That is no reason to merge the article. Information is information, though I don't like how Icelandic Hurricane did this. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I did a rewrite, I hope it's enough. I'm sorry. I was going to rewrite sooner, bu I had to get off the computer. Plus, this isn't the second article. If you're thinking of Matthew, I just revived it and added more info. Storm05 created the original version. You should think about making articles for Tanya and Kyle. They should warrent an article, or maybe with a little more info. Icelandic Hurricane #12_(talk) 21:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Hink here, HurricaneCraze if Icelandic did copy your article, it is still your work isn't it? You don't own anything, remember "if you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." For what it's worth the article itself is fine, the merge is inappropriate.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Bonnie (1986)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Yellow Evan (talk · contribs) 19:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, JG, I will review this article. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 19:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Why do you link Gulf of Mexico, it's a fairly common term IMO. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 19:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I unlinked it. iPhone Hurricane 95 20:34, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"On June 25, Bonnie was upgraded to a Category 1 hurricane on the Saffir–Simpson Hurricane Wind Sclae" fix typo. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 19:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed the typo. iPhone Hurricane 95 20:46, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

" Shortly thereafter, Bonnie came ashore near High Island, Texas at this intensity." remove "came" from the wikilink. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 19:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Changed it to "made landfall" how's that? iPhone Hurricane 95 21:10, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why is there a source in the lead? Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane
"The hurricane also spawned 11 tornadoes, which, in conjunction with strong winds, destroyed about 25 houses in southwestern Louisiana." cut the strong wind part out, they have strong winds. Also wikilink to tornadoes. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 19:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also fixed that. iPhone Hurricane 95 20:46, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

MH

"The origins of Hurricane Bonnie can be traced back to a mid-level center of circulation that formed in association " link to atmospheric circulation, not low-pressure area. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 19:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DoneiPhone Hurricane 95 20:58, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Again, don't wikilink GOM IMO. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 19:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Upon moving into the eastern Gulf of Mexico, an absence of deep shower and thunderstorm activity was observed on satellite imagery, although a distinguishable wind-shift was noted by an offshore buoy." "an absence" sounds weird, change it to "little". Also, what is a "wind-shift". Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 19:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
" Moving generally west to west-northwestward across the central Gulf of Mexico, the National Hurricane Center (NHC) sent a " don't include NHC as part of the link. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 19:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I excluded it from the link. iPhone Hurricane 95 21:06, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Over the course of the next 24 hours, satellite imagery showed a substantial increase in upper-level outflow as Tropical Storm Bonnie gradually intensified." can you re-word or brake up this sentence please? Thanks. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 19:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"reconnaissance plane into the system shortly before noon on June 25 revealed hurricane force winds 1500 feet above the surface" noon to 1200 UTC and comma after the 1 in "1500". Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane
"This evidence was the basis of Bonnie's upgrade to a Category 1 on the Saffir–Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale, the first of the season.[2]" can you figure out a way to combine this with the previous sentence? Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"The depression began to dissipate six hours later, although its remnants persisted until 1200 UTC on June 28, at which time it was located over the U.S. state of Missouri." source? Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Preps and impact

Give preps its own section. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okie doke. iPhone Hurricane 95 20:59, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

any other evacuations? Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Texas and LA

The rest of the article seems so jumbled up. It is just a bunch of random facts. YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- "Heavy rains caused by Bonnie also lead a small dam collapse in northeastern Liberty County, Texas, resulting in severe flooding." weird way to start a para. I'd go with meteo stats first, not damage.
- "Power outages were reported in the areas around the area where Bonnie made landfall." I could see this first in the article, but change the sentence to "Near where Bonnie made landfall, power outages were reported". Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- "The storm left broken windows, scattered tree limbs, and debris filled streets in Port Arthur, Texas. The damages in Texas totaled to about $1 million." you start back to back sentences with "the", try to avoid that if possible. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Severe flooding left behind by the heavy rains caused extensive damage, with damages amounting to $5 million in damages." read the last part out loud, this is an obvious redundancy. I'd tweak this to "Severe flooding caused extensive damage, amounting to $5 million (1986 USD)". Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Thunderstorms covered a huge portion of east Texas and western Louisiana, causing 10 to 13 in (250 to 330 mm) of rain.[4]" why is this mid paragraph? Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"was covered with water and had to be closed." what was covered with water and had to be closed? Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
" Hank Creek Marina, located across the reservoir, broke free from its moorings and floated into the lake." what reservoir? Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
" Bridge City reported 7.5 in (190 mm) of rainfall and several places northwest of Beaumont reported rainfall of over 5 in (130 mm)." random, can you please gain some structure. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"he damages in Texas totaled to about $1 million. " you just mention that above! Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Severe flooding left behind by the heavy rains caused extensive damage, with damages amounting to $5 million in damages." same thing. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You link Port Arthur twice in the same section. 20:15, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Can you re-organized and brake up the Texas/LA section plz. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:15, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"In Louisiana, most of the damage occurred in Cameron Parish. " to "Most of the damage in Louisiana occurred in Cameron Parish."
"25 homes, trailers, and cabins in southwestern Louisiana were destroyed resulting in about $400,000 in damages.[4] " don't start a sentence with a number. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Torrential rains caused some areas to be flooded to up to 10 ft (3.0 m) deep in parts of Shreveport and a section of Interstate 20 was closed into the Texas border.[5]" Please tweak this to "Up to 10 ft (3.0 m) deep water was reported in parts of Shreveport; a section of Interstate 20 was closed near the Texas border due to torrential rains.[5]" Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Make sure everything is in UTC time. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Two were rescued but one perished.[6]" comma before "but". Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Due to the small size of Hurricane Bonnie, damage was kept relatively low, totaling to $42 million (1986 USD).[7]" no need for "kept" here IMO. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane
Any number of people homeless or stuff like that. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Any # of homes damaged? Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Any # of homes destroyed? Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't you add stuff from NCDC? Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:15, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Elsewhere

Any more impact outside of Texas and Louisiana? Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Any aftermath? Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

You overlink UPI and AP on the refs. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:15, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ref #4 and Ref #5, you link Port Author twice. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 20:15, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Bonnie (1986)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) 19:07, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First, make sure everything was addressed from the previous GA review. I realize large portions of the article were re-written, but some may still apply.

Ok, I fixed everything from the previous review, I think.--12george1 (talk) 19:55, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"was upgraded to a Category 1 hurricane" - here might be a good time to mention SSHS (maybe by note?). If you don't feel like it, just say "to a hurricane"

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You should mention somewhere that winds are in 1-min sustained. Maybe by note?

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Following landfall, Bonnie quickly weakened below tropical storm status. On June 28, the remnants of Bonnie dissipated over Missouri." - merge these

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Prior to moving ashore, 22,000 people" - the people moved ashore? You're missing a word there :P (see Dangling modifier). Also, do you need the "were" in that sentence?

So I guess 22,000 people stayed on oil rigs since they didn't move ashore? :P --12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"The origins of Hurricane Bonnie can be traced back to a mid-level center of circulation that formed in association with a quasi-stationary cold front that stretched across northern Florida and the extreme northeast Gulf of Mexico in mid-June 1986." - that is really long. I'm not saying split, I'm just saying re-write (and maybe cut the first ten words or so)

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

" with the stationary frontal boundary" - you just said in the previous sentence it was quasi-stationary. Since there is minimal difference, I'd just say "with the front"

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"an absence of deep shower and thunderstorm activity was observed on satellite imagery" - some redundancies there, and it could be reworded ("there was little convection on satellite imagery"?)

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"well-defined circulation had become well-defined " :/

Cut it to simply "circulation"--12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"to classify the disturbance as a tropical depression" - who classified it here?

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Now the NHC link is out of order. Please fix. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:19, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 03:39, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Over the course of the next 24 hours after becoming a tropical storm on June 24" --> "In the 24 hours after becoming a tropical storm"

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"The depression began to dissipate six hours later" - what does this mean?

Not sure. I removed it.--12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You should mentioned how Bonnie dissipated (it's in the prelim report).

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Upon being declared as a tropical depression. a high risk of landfall" - see dangling modifier

Better?--12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Thunderstorms covered a huge portion of east Texas and western Louisiana, causing 10 to 13 in (250 to 330 mm) of rain" - weird writing. Find a better word than "huge". The sentence is poorly formatted. And any reason you don't include the peak here? You do in the lede.

I just decided to get rid of the part about thunderstorms and I added the peak rainfall total.--12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Bridge City reported 7.5 in (190 mm) of rainfall and several places northwest of Beaumont reported rainfall of over 5 in (130 mm). " - significance?

Guess it's not necessary because it isn't the peak rainfall total.--12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Highway 59 between Livingston and Shepherd was covered with water and had to be closed. Interstate 20 in Harrison County, Texas was closed after streams and bayou overflowed onto the highway. Inundation also forced the closure of several farm-to-market roads. Low-lying areas in Panola County flooded, including U.S. Route 79." - all of these sentences could be merged. I'll let you figure out how.

Better?--12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In general, the Texas section has very poor flow.

Can I get some examples?--12george1 (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Bear Foot Lake overflowed, damaging some homes. Due to threat of the dam bursting, 200 families were evacuated." could be merged (and could use some clarification that Bear Foot Lake is a dam). You say $5 million is extensive damage, but earlier you said damage was light. Two sentences mention damage to windows.

Fixed most of that, but I'm not sure what to do about those sentences mentioning windows.--12george1 (talk) 03:39, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Hank Creek Marina, located across the lake, broke free from its moorings and floated into the lake. Parts of the Marina were submerged." - merge, and clarify. The entire marina broke free from the moorings? How is that possible.

Merged the sentences. I don't know how much of the marina broke free. The source of this information does not clarify.--12george1 (talk) 21:57, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Any number of power outages? The article is heavy on NCDC but light on other sources.

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 03:39, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"The other tornado destroyed three mobile homes and severely damaged an additional two as well as three permanent homes. Damage from this tornado totaled $200,000. " - merge and simplify writing

I'm not sure how to fix this without saying "damage"/"damaged" twice or "losses".--12george1 (talk) 03:39, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Torrential rains caused some areas to be flooded to up to 10 ft (3.0 m) deep in parts of Shreveport " - poor writing, please rewrite

Better?--12george1 (talk) 21:57, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You mention I-20 being closed twice in Louisiana.

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 21:57, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You mention the Shreveport flooding, and then a paragraph later mention it again.

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 21:57, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Rescuers also had to lash themselves together" - doesn't seem like the right wording here.

The source uses the term "lash".--12george1 (talk) 21:57, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't make sense though. That's my last concern for the article. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:36, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it to "bind". Is that better? --12george1 (talk)

"Along the shore of Cross Lake, about 80 homes were damaged by water intrusion. About 381 homes and 20 businesses in the area were damaged by flooding." - is the latter sentence related? I'm not sure as to what "area" you're talking about.

Shreveport--12george1 (talk) 21:57, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rainfall reached 11.75 inches in Arkansas, more than the "up to 10 inches" you have in the article.

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 21:57, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Three or four families" - which one? Also, the subsequent sentence could be merged in.

Merged the sentences. However, the source says "Three or four" so I cannot fix this.--12george1 (talk) 21:57, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's it now. Generally decent article. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:19, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]