Talk:Hollywood Undead/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Im Back

It not nu metal, its rap-rock with electro rock change it now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.61.6.135 (talk) 20:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Right now, rap rock and rap metal are sourced in the infobox. If you want other genres added, you'll have to find reliable sources that claim the band fits those genres. Timmeh (review me) 20:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

If you look further up, I have suggested two reliable sources for nu metal, which I think should be suitable for adding. James25402 (talk) 12:15, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

"Nu Metal" was a term invented for the genre spawned by Linkin Park. It is properly called "AlternaRap". Hollywood Undead does not have a single Alternative song, and their rap is also far more "hardcore" in style then Linkin Park's. Hollywood Undead does Rock or Metal, not Alternative, therefore they cannot be AlternaRap (sometimes known by uninformed children as "Nu Metal"... don't know know the term "Nu Metal" was only used because people were making fun of it?).                     ~Rayvn  06:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

The term Nu Metal was not spawned by Linkin Park. Korn, RATM, and Slipknot would like a word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.210.10.253 (talk) 18:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Identities

would anyone object to me posting a picture on the page of all of them maskless?

I'm pretty sure they wear masks for a reason... George howard2009 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:06, 1 October 2009 (UTC).

Yes, because the band's "image" is to be with the masks, so a defining picture as should be shown on Wikipedia does have masks. Unless there is a specific section which talks about something like their pre-fame lives, some incident involving not having masks, arrests, etc., which would merit a non-masked picture being shown. Of course, such sections are unlikely to appear since this article is so horribly done at the moment (i.e. not expanded upon).

no they dont wear them in concert —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.73.148.58 (talk) 00:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

lol yes they do wtf??                     ~Rayvn  06:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Posting pictures of them without their masks I think would be fine... But who ever put the names up shouldn't have. HU said they wanteds to keep their names secret and any fan who did happen to stumble upon the information should keep it to themselves... —Preceding unsigned comment added by M4yo (talk • contribs) 14:42, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

It depends on where this is sourced from. It it's from some little-known fan page made by someone who personally knows them and no one has ever seen this website, then yeah. If it's from E! or from their liner notes, then no.                     ~Rayvn  06:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

a couple of their names are already online (J-dog for sure and i think deuce as well) so apparently they arent trying that incredibly hard to keep thier identities a secret. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.28.79.242 (talk) 03:12, 23 January 2010 (UTC) thats not even right they do wear them in concert, they just have the mouths cut out —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.21.98.136 (talk) 18:50, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Deuce has an article and the others redirect here?

Is there a reason for this? If not I wouldn't mind creating the articles for them.--SKATER ^Speak. 20:32, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Deuce is a solo singer/rapper, and thus he meets the biography of a living person criteria. None of the others do. Deuce is also in another band (though they don't have a Wikipedia) that is notable. A Charlie Scene article was recently created and immediately merged here. Charlie Scene (as far as we know) is not in any other notable bands, nor is he a solo singer. Thus he fails the criteria said above. As do the others. If anyone else in the band were to be in other notable bands, they would be able to have a Wikipedia page. --ҚЯĀŽΨÇÉV 13 ^{other crap} 21:15, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah ok, thank you for answering so swiftly.--SKATER ^Speak. 21:16, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

You're wrong, many band lead singers have their own pages, whether they were in another band or not, because they become known by their own names. Corey Taylor for example was a known human being long before Stone Sour existed. However, Hollywood Undead has only been around as a celebrity for three years, so only people who have heard of the bands would have heard of Charlie Scene, however only people who had heard of SlipKnoT and were big fans of it probably would have heard of COrey Taylor as well, so it's kind of either way as far as page creation.                     ~Rayvn  06:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

~(>_<)~ Seriosuly i believe the other band members need a page also its not fair yes Deuce is starting solo stuff but without the other members this group would be nothing....i really would like to read about Da Kurlzz hes my favorite though you dont hear him in most of the songs but ya if anyone can start a page about some of the other members please and thank you~(>_<)~BiWiE Jo<3

No. If anyone else does, the article will simply be merged. None of them meet WP:MUSICBIO other than Deuce, therefore, like I previously explained, no one else (especially Da Kurlzz) is notable enough. Maybe if one of them joins another band, but until then, it's not going to happen. --ҚЯĀŽΨÇÉV13 ^{other crap} 21:19, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

What you want is not relevant, and your posts should be signed not usewd little cutesy-ASCII characters =\. Hollywood Undead is an awesome band, but not many people have even heard of them even now, so it is unlikely that people will have heard of them in 20 years (hell, half the people I talk to "haven't even heard of" RealMcCoy, and they were a HELL of a lot more famous then Hollywood Undead is and it's only been like 8 years.                     ~Rayvn  06:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah but they still have personalities and childhoods and a life. Just because they don't have ANOTHER career doesn't mean they shouldn't have their own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by M4yo (talk • contribs) 14:45, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Duece is out of H.U. and now is just in 9 Lives. He thought Johnny 3 Tears was a bully and him Charlie Scence, and J3T had differnet perspectives on tings, so he's out —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.92.209 (talk) 23:32, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Got sources?--SKATER ^Speak. 23:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

i love them all so suck it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.203.51.231 (talk) 14:09, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Deuce has had people sorting out his page and would like for his name to link back to his page. found here. Deuce. If someone could sort that out, (as I can't edit) that would be great. :)

@Dudemoaningonlydeucehasapage Everybody has personalities/childhoods etc. should we make you a page while we're at it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by STEPHEN9LIV3S (talk • contribs) 20:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not buying it.. A lot of the other bands i listen too have artists that have their own pages. It is just because they aren't famous enough to get one T_T. Besides, i wouldn't be surprised if Deuce made his own page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jake Undead (talk • contribs) 15:42, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Semiprotection.

I kind of felt bad since the most of the contributions are from IP's, but I guess the good ones will create accounts.--SKATER ^Speak. 19:45, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Not really, if all the good edits are from IPs and the bad ones are from users, then making the page only editable to users is pretty stupid. If it says "You must create an account" to do this, most of the time people will go, "Wow, how dumb," and not waste their time commenting or doing whatever they were going to do. Of course, in the case of Wikipedia, it actually makes sense to have accounts on the site, but that doesn't mean people are going to spend the time creating one though. I only created one originally 'cause I wanted the edits to be attributed to me.                     ~Rayvn  06:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Former Names

Shouldn't it say theyr former names —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.73.150.100 (talk) 22:25, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

As in Tha Server and such?

deuce

deuce is still a band member.he is on HU cite and listed as a member.whoever put this false information should be liable for slander. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.42.148 (talk) 16:39, 30 December 2009 (UTC) part of HU contract was to provide deuce with solo.all band members signed to that agreement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.42.148 (talk) 16:43, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Yea i know, i was going say the same thing. Deuce didn't drop from Hollywood Undead. Whoever put him under former needs to relook his info. He did not quit, he is just doing a SIDE SOLO Project. . that is all. There is no info about him quiting. --70.249.56.38 (talk) 08:48, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, disregard my last post, i just read on HU's Facebook and Twitter chose to leave for Personal matters. --70.249.56.38 (talk) 08:58, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

People should get out of denial that Deuce has left the group, goto http://site.amoctone.com/hollywoodundead/news and read the Kerrang article / interview, towards the end when they talk about the UK tour, and Johnny confirms that Deuce has in fect left the group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pantyshotz (talk • contribs) 15:17, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

The article previously described him as a "former member". There are no reliable sources cited in the article to support either the assertion that he is a current or a former member. If you find sources for either assertion, you may include it in the article.  Sandstein  21:00, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

HAHAHAHAHA ur just a damn pussy. Check out their website, click on the blog "Artist Direct", Johnny 3 Tears stated "Deuce chose to leave for personal matters". . . On Their official Facebook, Funny Man confirmed it. On Deuce's Official Myspace, it's in his latest blog that he left to work on a solo project. You need to calm down. --70.249.56.38 (talk) 06:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

You need to provide links. I can't find anything on their website or Facebook profile saying Deuce left. Timmeh 12:42, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Whether or not someone has courage is not even remotely relevant to whether or not they have correct information.                     ~Rayvn  06:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

http://www.facebook.com/pages/HollywoodUndead/147576131133 I'd change it, but the page is locked. :( Also, could someone add about Mikey?--67.238.196.164 (talk) 15:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

What is "about Mikey"? If you know what you are talking about, add it instead of forcing others to do work for you. If you dont' know what you're tlking about, ask the question so that we know what you're talking about.                     ~Rayvn  06:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Deuce is no longer apart of Hollywood Undead. As of now, he is part of a new group called Ninelives. --69.155.124.215 (talk) 19:10, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Yea and J3T also confirmed that Deuce left on his actual member page on the HU website. And I'm 100% positive that it was his actual account because the only person I've added that was named Johnny 3 Tears is his member page from when the site was started and there were links to each of their real profiles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.214.44.137 (talk) 21:07, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Deuce is not a band member according to the HU myspace.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.178.114.202 (talk) 20:58, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

he's back. deuce has returned to hollywood undead. so ive been told : ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.230.195.160 (talk) 15:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC) http://site.amoctone.com/hollywoodundead/news and here is the interview that confirms it as well... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.214.45.105 (talk) 01:03, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Unreleased Songs

I noticed that songs such as Circles, Christmas n Hollywood, Scene For Dummies, The Kids (Except the brief mention in the into) are NOT mentioned throughout the article. I plan on putting these up. Anyone got a problem with that? (No sarcasm or "diggs" intended, please tell me if you have)

Uh, you mean the songs no one has ever heard of?? Hmm, I wonder why.                     ~Rayvn  06:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

For fuck sake. the reason I posted this in discussion, was so it could be discussed, not removed without warning. I'm putting the unreleased songs BACK UP. and I do not want it removed unless discussed first. I am a reasonable person, and if a descent reason for removal is uncovered, I will gladly remove it.

Actually Ninelives is a punkrock band from New York —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.202.183.184 (talk) 16:36, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

...wut?                     ~Rayvn  06:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I dunno about Deuce

I don't want to believe Deuce isn't in Hollywood Undead anymore, but on both their Myspace and Facebook accounts, he isn't listed as a band member anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lil' Knucklehead (talk • contribs) 06:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Deuce is out and daniel murillo replaced him..whether to want to belive it or not..its true so change it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.178.119.194 (talk) 20:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Been saying it for months and all these fans continue to jump on me because they don't want to believe and refuse to look up the info on their own.--208.66.245.193 (talk) 02:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh My Gosh!!! Please take him off he is not in the band anymore! I think whoever keeps putting him back as a current member of the band needs to provide recent sources that show that! Then when you can't find those sources, you'll realize you're wrong! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.214.45.105 (talk) 23:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

TAKEDEUCEOUT.TAKEDEUCEOUT.TAKEDEUCEOUT.TAKEDEUCEOUT.TAKEDEUCEOUT.TAKEDEUCEOUT.TAKEDEUCEOUT.TAKEDEUCEOUT.TAKEDEUCEOUT.TAKEDEUCEOUT.TAKLEDEUCEOUT.TAKEDEUCEOUT.TAKEDEUCEOUT.TAKEDEUCEOUT.TAKKEDEUCEOUT.TAKEDEUCEOUT.TAKEDUECEOUT.TAKEDEUCEOUT.TAKEDEUCEOUT.TAKEDEUCEOUT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.204.165 (talk) 17:21, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 81.166.140.103, 7 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} This band has a new album wich is not recored on their wikipage. The new album was Released in 2009, and is named ; Desperate Measures

81.166.140.103 (talk) 14:08, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

It's covered there already.--SKATER ^Speak. 16:33, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Already done Tim Pierce (talk) 18:38, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

http://site.amoctone.com/hollywoodundead/news Here is the link to the interview where J3T confirms that Deuce left the band. Happy now non-believers?

Deuce is out

If you don't believe me, check HU's MySpace and Facebook accounts. Deuce is no longer a member. And check Deuce's new song "Story of a Snitch". It explains why he's not in HU anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lil' Knucklehead (talk • contribs) 15:43, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

help wanted

can some one pls make articles about the members when i started here i always looked at other peoples back grounds like lady gaga, spm, icp, plies, and thers but when i came here i was confussed its like they dont even axist any more do know what i mean --Halo the hottie (talk) 16:26, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

The band members are not yet notable enough for their own Wikipedia articles. Please try reading the sources for the article to find out more about them. Thanks!   — Jeff G. ツ 16:28, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

well...if we all try to find out wen they wer born then we can prolly do it. we already know ther real names and there obviously most famous for HU. wen u find out the birthdates type them here-------->

Birthdates won't be enough. In order for them to have a proper article, it would require a lot of information which we don't have.

okay.. well deuce had his own article.. its on and off some days he has one and some days its just..gone. But he had one and instead of thinking of the things we DONT know about them, think about how much we DO know of them. Born in raised in LA, famous for HU, we know their real names, their discography is already on the HU wikipedia so that will be easy, some of them are just known for their singing(funny man,J3T,Danny) so we dont really have to know as much as u think we do.. we could atleast try... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.201.62 (talk) 22:14, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 212.219.203.146, 1 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} deuce is no longer a member

212.219.203.146 (talk) 09:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. SpigotMap 12:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

go read his twitter: twitter.com/deuce9lives he quit!!! Also:

1. He is NOT listed anymore at myspace.com/hollywoodundead 2. Look up a few responses and see where a link was posted to an interview where they SAID IT THEMSELVES Deuce left!

Yes, please change the fact that Deuce is a member to a former member. He isn't in the band anymore, and people keep looking at the HU wiki page and freaking out because they think he's back in the band. - Waenke (talk) 10:30, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Political Message

Why does every other band that has a political message in some of it's songs have a section for political messages, but Hollywood Undead doesn't?                     ~Rayvn  06:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Either one hasn't been written, or such content was removed from the article because it did not satisfy the policy to have Reliable Sources for the information. If you can find reliable 3rd party sources that discuss the band's political messages, it may be possible to add such content. -Verdatum (talk) 19:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 67.194.146.181, 4 October 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} The song "California" is featured in a commercial for Law & Order Los Angeles. (this belongs in the "Featured in media" section) 67.194.146.181 (talk) 01:34, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 06:16, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Deuce is OUT

He was kicked out guys. J3T is quoted as saying

"i just saw this randomly...deuce is gone due to the fact that he couldn't do his job. we want a singer who can perform, someone who makes hollywood undead better. that wasn't happening with him. he was already gone before he ever left. we had been thinking about this for a long time, it was best for all of us and for all of you. promise.

j3t"

A new member was put in place for Deuce. the new members name (in the band) is Danny. His mask is a gold shine with a cross on one eye. He has "dear God" tattoed on his hands — Preceding unsigned comment added by Condolo101 (talk • contribs) 06:01, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

http://site.hollywoodundead.com/forum/topics/dueces-departure?commentId=2194239:Comment:2215030

Just signin/up and theres ya proof —Preceding unsigned comment added by LordThoru (talk • contribs) 22:06, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

hes rite!! hes has a source and proof!! so plzzz take him out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.204.165 (talk) 23:27, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

nu metal

does anyone else think nu metal should be added to genera?Feedmyeyes (talk) 22:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

If you can find an article or other WP:RS that refers to the band as Nu metal, then it can be added. This is a much easier route than getting everyone to agree on what is meant by a given musical subgenre, and whether or not a band falls under that definition. -Verdatum (talk) 19:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

allmusic.com list nu metal as one of their styles so if no one has any disputes about the source I'll put it upFeedmyeyes (talk) 23:23, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

New Member

They added Daniel Murillo to the band, but i do not believe he has an undead name as of yet...i think they just call him Danny, and i think Biscuits is still in the band? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flutter17 (talk • contribs) 02:31, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Please learn how to add new sections to discussion page. Jman8088 (talk) 02:07, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I believe they call him Danny Boy. Biscuits is just someone who performs with them live. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.26.42.203 (talk) 23:33, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

ORIGINAL NAME

it wasnt called hollywood it was "the undead" and the song was called hollywood.. change it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.204.165 (talk) 22:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

New picture??

So, HU have new masks, and I believe that keeping a picture of the old ones makes the page feel a little.... dated. Anyone got a better picture for the page? Jman8088 (talk) 02:16, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

This is done my frend Snyth 22:25, 1 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snyth (talk • contribs)

WTH?

So no-name programmers of third rate gaming companies that nobody has ever heard of deserve their own wiki page but the band members of HU do not? Nice. You guys rule like a queen ant I just stepped on. 69.207.4.244 (talk) 10:26, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

there is not alot known about their personal life to make a proper wiki page, only two members have a wiki page; former frontman Aron Erlichman and touring member Darrin Pfeiffer. I don't know what no-name programmers you're referring to, so I can't assist you there Snyth 22:22, 1 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snyth (talk • contribs)

Danny's Name spelt wrong.

Its spelt Dannie not Danny

• Edit*

Disregard this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RuListeninBra (talk • contribs) 23:06, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

No Possible way it is dannie because in the intro to Hear Me Now's music video is spells it "Danny" Snyth 13:10, 2 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snyth (talk • contribs)

It's Danny, not Dannie. Dannie is a girl's name. HU lists him as "Danny". Are you retarded? Panic Reaper (talk) 02:48, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Daren Pfeifer =/= Darrin Pfeiffer

Please return the name to its correct spelling and remove the link, they're two different people from opposite sides of the country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.199.19 (talk) 02:32, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Got it Snyth 13:07, 2 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snyth (talk • contribs)

Edit request from 69.33.202.2, 12 April 2011

Please change the touring member's name, Darrin Pfeifer, to the correct spelling: Daren Pfeifer. He is Hollywood Undead's current touring drummer. Daren's website is www.darenpfeifer.com

69.33.202.2 (talk) 00:27, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Danny doesn't sing clean

If you listen to the new album "American Tragedy", he cusses. Please fix this!

Friend, clean vocals is a term used for singing. Meaning not screamed vocals, and not rapping. Singing. That is why clean vocals is used, to distinguish. It is not, by any means, saying that he doesn't use profanity. --KЯĀŽΨÇÉV13 01:22, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

there is a difference between clean vocals and clean lyrics. lyrcis are the words. vocals is the singing style —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.53.151.45 (talk) 17:58, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Cowapowa, 20 June 2011

{{edit semi-protected}}

funny man also plays keyboard add this in "band members" and i can't edit by myself Cowapowa (talk) 03:02, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —GFOLEY FOUR— 04:17, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Please add a reliable source to confirm this. Lights out, bitches :3 (talk) 14:13, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Deuce w= Accosicated acts

they need to keep this but u need to add jefree star for sure, and the band that j3t did that song with.. the song the only ones i think it was.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.201.62 (talk) 20:12, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Just because you do a song featuring someone, doesn't mean you're associated with them. Same goes for if someone features you in their song. Danny was originally the vocalist for Lorene Drive, meaning the band is associated with them.The Catalyst (talk) 01:39, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Ohh! alright i got ya now.. is lorene drive the only associated act though? does 9lives count? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.201.62 (talk) 20:43, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but Deuce doesn't have a wikipedia page yet. Once he gets one, his name will be added. And I don't know any other acts they're associated with. Jeffree Star could be put there, considering they're all (or were) long time friends. But I need a valid link for that. The Catalyst (talk) 01:39, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

well deuce had a page the other day but it always gets deleted.. and i think that jeffree star should be on there because for example on linkin parks page jay z is on theyre associated acts and they have only done one song with him.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.201.62 (talk) 22:10, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Linkin Park did an entire album with Jay-Z and performed many shows together. The Catalyst (talk) 01:39, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

okay.. i did not know that but for another example the new rock band my darkest days has only done one song with ludacris and zakk wylde and chad kroegoer but all of them appear of their associated acts.. just sayin.. i think jeffree star should be on there, and also not just deuce but 9lives too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.201.62 (talk) 22:02, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

My Darkest Days probably is associated with those acts in some other way. I don't listen to them, so I'm not too sure. And like I said before, once Deuce gets a page, he will be added to the list. And 9Lives is more of a gang/group of friends, and even though most of them are musicians, the whole group does not qualify as a musical act. And I know Jeffree Star should be added to the list because he was/is friends with them, but Wikipedia is very strict about sources, so I'm going to need a link to prove it.The Catalyst (talk) 01:39, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

My darkest days has only released one album and they only have one song with all those muscicians, and what do you need a link to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.201.62 (talk) 21:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Associated Act

It's Secret Empire not Silent Empire under associated acts, it's Johnny 3 Tear's Brother's Band — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.80.64.183 (talk) 18:05, 25 September 2013 (UTC)