Talk:Hockey/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Turkey cup

somebody told me that hockey can be called turkey cup, but i dont know. Do they?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.162.140.140 (talk) 22:37, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

(Fixed section heading)HiLo48 (talk) 21:27, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Origin

Mr. Deepu is claiming that this game started from Singapore. By the way, since there is no prove yet, we will accept this as a temporary fact, therefore, this game origined from Singapore. By the way, the real truth is that the game was originaly played in Macedonia, so when Alexandar the great conquired Singpore, he transfered this game to Australians (no connection with the red Indians) where it becomed national sport.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.132.61.14 (talk) 22:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Disambig and Name

Hello there,h

As I'm working on the wikiproject sports I would like to restart the discussion on botbh the function of this page and the naming convention. 1) This page should be nothing more than a disambiguation page. It distincts between different kind of sports that (partly) share/are known by the same name. There is no reason to include other information here. 2) I propose throught the project that we use the olympic naming convention on sports. And that American predominance in namegiving is not applied. Therefore; Field hockey should be called hockey and ice hockey should be given that name. See above for some reasons. Discussion is invited, as is participation in the wikiproject.Thanks -Catneven 08:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you completely. The distinct pages about each different type of hockey all contain enough information without the need for this lengthy page. This page should be nothing but a set of links that point the user towards all the different kinds of hockey. US/UK Naming isn't such a huge issue here - the article title is hockey and ideally ALL of the disambig links should have a descriptive prenoun. This would solve any petty arguments and allow the page to serve a more useful purpose. SheffGruff 12:35, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

"I propose throught the project that we use the olympic naming convention on sports."

I thoroughly disagree. Using the Olympics as a standard is arbitrary and misleading. Furthermore, official governing bodies often use terminology that does not reflect popular usage. Look at the fact that the governing body of football/soccer in Australia is called "Football Federation Australia" despite the fact that the majority of that population refers to that sport as "soccer" and uses "football" to refer to either Aussie-rules football or rugby. For this reason, official governing bodies cannot always be trusted to always choose appropriate terminology, or else they may have an agenda in trying to push a certain nomenclature over others.

Wikipedia, as an English-language encyclopedia, should reflect the predominant usage of language in the English-speaking world. How the language is actually used, not how some Olympic committee thinks it should be used. As if the Olympics are some kind of authority on the English language. Anyway, it's easy enough to see how the language is actually used. Go to Google and search for the single term "hockey." The top several pages of results returned almost exclusively refer to sites related to so-called "ice hockey." Not so surprising, considering that a majority of the world's native English-speaking population resides in North America, where the sport is referred to as "hockey" and that other variant is referred to as "field hockey." Wikipedia should reflect real world usage, and not some arbitrary authority or Olympic committee.140.251.125.50 (talk) 20:34, 20 November 2007 (UTC)Matt

Again, this has degenerated into an argument about who's definition of the word hockey is "right" - with no real relevance to the original suggestion in this heading, which was that the page be stripped down to simply point to all the different types of hockey. SheffGruff (talk) 17:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll chime in and say that a form of this page is necessary, as there exists an early history of stick-and-ball games to which all of the "disambiguated" games owe their heritage. Beyond that, I agree certain sections should be trimmed. Maybe 200 characters or so per sport? Like a more detailed disambiguation page. juan^less 23:23, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Camogie

I think it should be mentioned that in Ireland hockey is viewed as the civalised version of Camogie as camogie is more violent. I know this because I play both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.200.162 (talk) 14:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Previous posts

"For example, in North America, hockey refers to ice hockey, the finest form of the sport, whereas in the UK the same word denotes field hockey, which is regarded as a lesser version of hockey."

the part about ice hockey being the finest form of the game, while I whole-heartedly agree, seems more than slightly POVish...

I second the opinion above. To maintain NPOV, I think that the words that I have shown in bold should be removed. Since I don't actually follow hockey (of either type) I shall leave the edit to someone who watches these pages and has contributed. Although maybe as a neutral observer I should be the one...(?) Maybe I will come back and check in a week or so... --Muchado 05:47, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I dont understand why this is an disambiugation page. The characteristics of hockey regardless of whether it is on field or on ice sure needs a wiki entry. --- froderik

Perhaps because most people searching for "hockey" are looking for a particular hockey. This page will let them select the hockey they meant. Tom Brown 17:39, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What about ball hockey? Where would that fall under? In Canada, we usually play ball hockey, meaning a sport like ice hockey (same sticks) but with an orange ball, usually in a gym or outdoors on pavement.--Sonjaaa 21:16, Sep 5, 2004 (UTC)

That is not hockey, that is ball hockey. All forms of of ice hockey is originated from the true original ice hockey. Therefor we should not refer to hockey as ice hockey but as hockey.

Field Hockey at www.scporto.com

There is no such thing as "ice" hockey. Hockey played on ice is hockey. Other forms of the game are field hockey and ball hockey, but hockey played on ice is hockey. Calling hockey "ice hockey" is like calling baseball "field baseball". That sounds pretty stupid, doesn't it?

This is an international encyclopedia, and we cater for for everyone around the world. When someone says "hockey" in Australia they only mean field hockey. Hockey played on ice is "ice hockey". Think outside the rink.--Commander Keane 23:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

That's the UK bias of this encyclopedia. It claims to have an international point of view, but it's really a European point of view.

Do you really think that the american POV is international? If i said 'ice hockey' to you, you know exactly what i mean. If you said hockey to me i would instantly think of field/turf hockey (which btw was invented before ice hockey...)PhatePunk 09:34, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Ice hockey is thought to be descended from lacrosse, and who knows how long that had been played? Besides, as soon as they started playing hockey on ice, you'd think they'd have immediately stopped playing that wimpy field hockey! :-) Biff Loman 00:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, what a bunch of bull. Hockey refers exclusively to what ignorant people may term "field hockey". The people who seem to place ice hockey are the Canadians and Americans. (202.177.229.252 08:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC))

And Russians... And Swedes... And Finns... And Germans... And... all of the northern world in general.

Well clearly not Germans - look at their hockey page. Actually it seems pretty much only those countries with a part in the Arctic Circle. In India and Pakistan, for example, which have English as official languages, hockey is always "field" hockey. 80.254.146.20 (talk) 15:23, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Only pussies play field hockey. 70.49.243.186 15:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

As much as i love arguing against americans in wikipedia's best interest both sports should be refered to as the longer meaning; ice hockey and field hockey to avoid confusion. Jezzyjez 07:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Just like to say i think this article is very good. I am a player of both ice and field hockey and it sadens me that some people fail to apreciate either of the sports. Purely due to ignorance of course... I would suggest more info on Street hockey, also more field hockey links. Maybe http://www.narrowstep.com/fieldhockey/nsp1-tabs.htm as one? 172.203.154.149 00:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Ice hockey is closer to figure skating than to hockey - is it even considered a real sport? TheBlueKnight (talk) 06:54, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

the first line of this part is pretty clear to me. hockey is ice hockey in the United States and Field Hockey in England (and rest of the UK). the official language of this article is English and not in United Statians! (or american) so who would know best? Roeier 5:06, 25 march 2011 (MET)

Interesting is that the Pan-American Hockey Association (of which the US and Canada are members) is an organisation of national field hockey associations, not ice hockey... Knorrepoes (talk) 14:41, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Disambig?

I think this is an article rather than a disambiguation page, and will adjust accordingly if there is no objection.--Commander Keane 13:57, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

There are still nearly 300 links to this article which do not intend to link to hockey in the general sense. Those links still need to be cleaned up, a task upon which I am slowly working. D-Rock 00:29, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Most of the links are cleaned up, there are a few that I could not use Google or context clues to figure which kind of hockey was being spoken of, and some that actually should point here. I would suggest removing the redirect on hockey (disambiguation), and making a shorter, actual disambig page there. (containing only field, ice, roller, & street?) D-Rock 02:27, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

If Hockey played on ice is going to be called "Ice Hockey" it absolutely needs its own entry.

It has ! Ice hockey. Lvr 16:49, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

the field hockey sucks bit

Took out the "less spectating but strong participation" bit on account of its generally being wrong. WookMuff 01:23, 19 February 2006 (UTC) There are no sport named "field hockey". It's just Hockey. And "Hockey on ice" are called bandy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.208.42.135 (talk) 17:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hockey

The Sport of hockey was created by Steven Galindo, father of Patrick who takes personal offense when you make fun of this brutally boring sport. Go Islanders. Street Hockey or Ball Hockey is usually played with either a tennis ball or, a hockey ball. The hockey ball is an orange plastic and depending on the weather or area of play, a hard or soft ball is picked. Mostly, there are no in-line skates. Due to the fact of injury. Playing this type of hockey takes a minimum of equipment. Most of the time, just a hockey stick and gloves. Orginized ball hockey teams wear knee and elbow pads, jock/jill,shin guards and sometimes a helmet. Shoulder pads are not worn because this keeps the aggretion to a minumum. Golies wear all ice hocky gear.

Capitalisation and other variants

Why do "Floor Hockey", "Foot Hockey", "Mini Sticks", "Gym Hockey" and "Sled Hockey" have a capital "H" here, unlike the others? Are these five brand names?

There's also no mention in the list of rink hockey or Unihoc. It also isn't clear whether either Floor Hockey or Gym Hockey is the same as Unihoc. Unihoc is played with a puck and plastic double-sided sticks, which are more rounded in shape than those used for ice hockey. It was quite often played when I was at school. -- Smjg 16:27, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Here we play Unihoc with a ball ;-) Lvr 16:33, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Whereabouts is "here"? -- Smjg 10:26, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Oops... Belgium Lvr 15:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Unihoc is nowadays more known as Unihockey in german speaking countries which is similar to Floorball. And this is played with a Ball which is like a T-Ball known from Baseball.

Why is there no mention of the similar sport La Cross?

Lacrosse has similarities to hockey but is a completely different sport with different antecedents. Hockey did not come from lacrosse, nor vice versa. Eron 19:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Lacrosse was an influence on hockey, but it didn't evolve directly from it. Ice hockey was never just field hockey on ice, either, it had different rules from day one. At least as far as there is evidence. Who knows what the reality is? The First Nations people could, possibly, have played lacrosse on ice and there would be no record of it. We have to go by the evidence, and that suggests that Lacross was at least an influence on the ice version of the game. Biff Loman 13:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

And that is mentioned, in the history section of the Ice hockey article. As this is a general article on all the sports that fall under the rubric 'hockey', I'm not sure lacrosse needs to be discussed here. Eron 13:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I guess if you don't want to talk about it here, you really shouldn't be making up a bunch of crap about how hockey didn't come from lacrosse. Then others wouldn't have to set you straight. Biff Loman 01:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm happy to talk about it here, on the talk page. I just don't think that lacrosse's influence on ice hockey needs to be discussed in the generic hockey article, when it is already discussed in the ice hockey article. And please refrain from making personal attacks, thanks. Eron 01:54, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Ice hockey origin claim

I removed the statement "yet many demand that the first true game of ice hockey was played at [[St. Paul's School (Concord, New Hampshire) on Turkey Pond." Is there a citation, source, or reference for this claim, as compared to the claims of other 'birthplaces' of hockey? Eron 02:32, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

History of ice hockey

What is said here about the history of ice hockey isn't consistent with what's said on the ice hockey page. Neither is well referenced. Can anyone with access to scholarly work on this sort it out? seglea 19:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Ordering of codes

Please don't let this degenerate into nationalistic/regionalistic/hockeyistic feuds, but I think ice hockey should be listed above field hockey for two reasons. First, a vast majority of native English speakers (U.S. + Canada = ~330 million, UK + Ireland + Australia + NZ = ~90 million) will refer to "ice hockey" simply as "hockey". Yes, I know this encyclopedia is not limited to native English speakers, but cent(er/re)s of popularity of each code in other regions will offset each other. (That is, this is not like "football", where there is little popularity for codes other than soccer outside the Anglosphere, and the association code should deservedly be listed first.) Second, if you look in the history, the article originally redirected to ice hockey, and when ordering is in doubt one should go by the original contributor's intentions. I'm not so foolhardy as to change the order unilaterally, so please discuss. Just keep it civil. StarryEyes 01:29, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't care about the order. But I think you're wrong when you say a vast majority of native English speakers. In Australia, UK, NZ, RSA,... "Hockey" is "Field hockey", just because field hockey is far more popular than ice hockey. The code behaind "hockey" depends of the geographical region more than of the language used in this region. Lvr 10:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Plus add in those in India and Pakistan, and the European countries where (field) hockey is strong, and english is commonly a second language, I wouldn't be so sure that a random person searching in English wikipedia for articles on "hockey" would expect it to come up with (ice) hockey as the primary usage of the word (or that "centres of popularity of each code in other regions would offset each other"). David Underdown 10:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

So if India and Pakistan are added, why not Latvia and Russia, where "hockey" (or its variant, say, "hokkej") refers only to ice hockey? Why not Finland, Czech Republic, Sweden and Slovakia, where an English conversation about "hockey" is sure to be about the game played on ice, even if "ice hockey" (or its variants) were the official term? With all that non-POV being said, COME ON! The game played on ice was called hockey and when some retards start playing it on grass, they steal the name and call the original "ice hockey". How about I start playing football on ice and just decide that it's "football" to me and call the original one "grass football"? 212.182.207.100 10:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I thought consensus had already been reached, and it was alphabetized... Field, Ice, Rink. silly me. --D-Rock (commune with D-Rock), (hockey fan) 19:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure, let's count all those countries you mentioned and let's count India and Pakistan - that's about 1.3 billion people. Do the math. And it is the national sport of both these countries - no one calls it field hockey here - it is just hockey. DemolitionMan (talk) 13:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

A "girls sport"?

It says "Field hockey is popular among both sexes in many countries of the world, particularly in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and South Asia, though in the United States and Canada it is considered a girls' sport." Now granted I'm not much of a hockey buff, but I've never personally heard that. When I was a kid I used to play that with my friends quite a bit since ice rinks aren't easily available. There never seemed to be any shame or girliness associated with that. Cereal box conspiracy 15:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I've always considered it to be a girls' sport but guys play it in the NHL. As for other leagues such as Canada well I'm not sure, I'm from the United States... --SodiumBenzoate 21:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

It's considered a girls' sport in the UK as well. Reason being there's a dominant winter sport (soccer) which girls tend not to play, so they play hockey instead. Same reason soccer tends to be associated with girls in the U.S. - there's a winter sport girls don't usually play, American football / ice hockey. So they play soccer / hockey instead. That might be more encyclopedic than just saying it's a girls' sport, because that just sounds like a macho endorsement of ice hockey. The way Brits might call baseball a girls' sport (rounders) when they compare it to cricket. Beyond school these distinctions tend not to apply. Hakluyt bean 16:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

NCAA only sponsors field hockey for women [1]. Search through random US high school athletic conferences and you'll find the same results. But yes, there should be better phrasing than "girls' sport". ccwaters 17:09, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Some in the UK might consider it a girl's sport, partly becasue of the "jolly hockey sticks" image and St Trinian's, however, the fact remains that actually participation rates are pretty equal at club level (possibly even more men play, can't remember the figures on numbers of teams at the moment), which simply isn't the case in the States, where it is played almost entirely in high schools and colleges by girls. There's a tiny number of clubs in the US, most people never play after college I believe. Boy's participation raes are also kept down by the fact some areas insist that they wear the same kit as the girls, even calling it a kilt doesn't change the fact it looks like a skirt, which is a fairly major obstacle for teenaged boys... Girls' and young women's sport might I suppose be more accurate. David Underdown 08:58, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Can we find some better phrasing, ie "more popular among girls and women" or something? I'm sure someone could find a source to cite. Right now somebody just took out the whole sentance, but the fact that it is almost exclusively a women's sport in NA should be in the article.LRT24 (talk) 20:35, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I am currently at a school, i know many other schools that have more boys playing the sport then girls. I also play for a club, which has more boys paticipating thatn girls, and there are also more mens teams then womens. I can see that hockey used to be classified as a girls sport, but i feel it is now more mixed. Moneal04 21:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)Neal Monk —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moneal04 (talk • contribs)

What a load of rubbish how in today's society can you say 'girls' sport thats like saying football is a boy's sport when its is obviously not, yes prodomintally men play it, but alot of women play it too! Jezzyjez 07:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Field hockey ir definitely primarily (very nearly exclusively ) a girls' sport in Canada. I remember when I first heard of a guy playing it I was surprised.

And ringette also formerly was what girls' played when it was uncommon for girls to play regular hockey (ie on ice). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.138.5.20 (talk) 17:01, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that it's a girls' sport.. boys and girls enjoy it. I am a girl and I just love, love, love hockey. :)

Naming convention

The article has: "The dominant version of hockey in a particular region tends to be known simply as hockey"

Isn't that a bit misleading?

Hockey ('field hockey'): International Hockey Federation

6 out of 116 countries use 'Field Hockey' - Azerbaijan, Latvia, Moldova, Romania, American Samoa, Canada, U.S.

Ice hockey: List of members of the International Ice Hockey Federation

Out of 60+ countries looks like(?) only in the U.S and Canada is it known simply as 'hockey'

I can tell you that is absolutely NOT true. In European countries, the term "hockey" is typically used. I live in the Czech Republic, and the sport on ice is called "hokej", not "lední hokej". As for the variant played on a field, I don't think I've ever heard it mentioned here in the Czech language.Djob (talk) 14:26, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Olympics http://www.olympic.org/

As far as they're concerned the sports are 'hockey' and 'ice hockey'.

Hakluyt bean 16:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I cant stand having sports only for females when they still complain about how they are discriminated and kept seperate from boys sports. Girls can play with boys in; Hockey until they become a certain age in which they choose if they wish to stay with the hitting boys or switch to the none hitting girls team. Boys do not have the option of hitting or not, or have a say in whether or not girls are on there team. So in my opinon we should finalize the question of girls strength and abilities vs boys and see if they can really skate with us or not. We must also create the option of all boys and all girls teams.

The article has: "The dominant version of hockey in a particular region tends to be known simply as hockey"

Isn't that a bit misleading?

No, it's an accurate statement, and doesn't make any claim about the number of countries in which either form is dominant. If you come to North America, "ice hockey" is known simply as hockey (National Hockey League, American Hockey League, East Coast Hockey League, Hockey Canada, USA Hockey, etc., etc.). To call the sport "ice hockey" here would be redundant, though people would know what you are talking about. If you want to talk about field hockey, you need to call it "field hockey." If you use the word "hockey" here to refer to field hockey, now that would be misleading.

North America is roughly 350 million people, and has the majority of native English speakers in the world. Since this is the English language Wikipedia, we should go with the terminology that the majority of native English speakers use to refer to these sports. Namely "hockey" (meaning "ice hockey") and "field hockey" for the other form.140.251.125.50 15:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)Matt

But field hockey is also never referred to as 'field hockey'. In NZ, its known as the National Hockey League, in Australia the field hockey league is known as the AHL, Australian Hockey League, while the ice hockey league is the AIHL. Therefore, I believe both sports should use there longer names i.e. "Ice Hockey" and "Field Hockey". 123.255.63.231 22:52, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Hakluyt bean above, is there anywhere outside of the US and Canada that calls this 'field hockey'? I have never heard this term in the UK. With regards to the majority of English speakers residing in the US and Canada, remember that besides the tens of millions of people in the UK, Australia and elsewhere around the world that speak English as a first language, there are hundreds of millions that speak it as a second language. And before you say it, no, they do not necessarily use a different language version of wikipedia - English is a global language, see the wikipedia entry for English as a global language and you will see that it is not predominantly used in North America but by the whole world. Spencer444 (talk) 22:58, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Ringette ... variant?

The sport was originally developed for girls, but I don't think it was developed to be an alternative for hockey. Girls, I'm sure, could play hockey back then, because back then most likely both levels (ringette and girls hockey) were at the same level. The term variant, I don't think, fits it very well. If someone could cite an official source stating that it is (or was) supposed to be an alternate to ice hockey, then I'll be okay. Til then, I think that should be rephrased somehow. Perhaps make a list that lists sports that are similar to hockey, but are not variants or alternates. Disinclination 09:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Here is a quote from the Ontario Ringette Association

"The Sport of Ringette was developed in 1963 in North Bay, Ontario, by the late Mr. Sam Jacks. Originally designed to be a unique winter team sport for girls and an alternative to hockey, Ringette has evolved into a fast paced, exciting sport that combines the speed of hockey with the strategy of basketball. The first game played in Espanola, Ontario, was nothing like the sport of today" Felix the cat29 23:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Picture

I find the picture [2] of the (field) hockey players not very resambling with the sport... it looks very slow on that picture... the picture used on the Dutch page [3] looks much more like the Hockey sport is like.

Wouldn't this be a better picture for this article?

The second picture would be better, but let's face it - the game is pretty slow, which is why it's runner-up to real hockey. 67.71.140.234 11:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Rink hockey - Hardball hockey - Hoquei em Patins

I've edited this to cut the name down to just Rink hockey, which is the name of the main Wikipedia article. It seemed a bit much to include the common name, a variant name (Hardball hockey), and a non-English name. I've also request a citation on the "one of the three most popular hockey variants" claim. While the global popularity of the ice and field versions is self-evident to me, I'm not so sure about a claim ranking any other variant as number three on the list without further evidence (e.g. number of active countries, etc.) Eron 01:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with your regarding the popularity- but I also need to add, ""Rink hockey - Hardball hockey - Hoquei em Patins"" are all the same sport called different names all over the world- all are commonly referred to as Roller_hockey. The name roller hockey was used before the invent of inlines -Hardballhock

Hello, i don't have a profile so i decided just to talk here. Unicycle Hockey isn't a sport! It is like calling throwing plates the sport discus or calling midget tossing a sport.This whole page is weak. It is pathetic that nobdy has done anything to fix it.-Angry Hockey Fan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.2.139.251 (talk) 00:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

layout for images idea

I centered the images because any time someone added some text or another piece the /right/ wouldn't keep things tight. The images would sort of bleed over into other parts. If you can find a better way to keep images with their parts than using Center which I did (wince) give the layout a shot. --Hardballhock 03:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

added "Origins" section

I'm a sports historian, and I thought a sport as important as hockey needs some description of its origins.Kozushi

hockey

i think that hockey should be played with only four players, that way, there would be more room and creativity on the ice. [nhlray8338]<your aretard

I dont see how that would work, surely it takes more skill and creativity to coordinate more players then less?? Jezzyjez 16:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Ice hockey puck

Call me crazy but I don't think it's necessary to tell people twice that a puck is made from vulcanized rubber. Maybe I am crazy and there's a good reason, but I can't see it.  :-) As a Canadian I am ashamed to admit I did not know that they froze the puck to keep it from bouncing. Joe Dick 20:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Origin of Field Hockey

According to Official website of Olympic movement, records exist of hockey having been played in Persia in 2000 BC. I don't know how valid are the citations that refer the origin of this game to Egypt. I think the citation from the olympics website is more resonable as this game was and is strongly played in Pakistan and India which are closer to (and even part of) big old persian empire. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.251.85.42 (talk) 21:43, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

I am checking into locating the right reference to support India being the origin of this sport. For now I have only added a reference that Hockey is the Nation Game of India. thevikas (talk) 05:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there's any real point in one country trying to claim to be "the" origin of hockey. Various stick and ball games have been played throughout history, and that's really all we're trying to show here, but in it's modern form hockey developed around in London in the 19th century. I would like to see a reference even to it being in some sense the National Game of India too, cricket seems a great deal more popular these days. Remember that this article is just a very basic overview, Field hockey is the place for more detail. David Underdown (talk) 08:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree your view that there is no real advantage to derive from who originated what game. For the part of reference of Field Hockey being a National Game, it has been mentioned even on the India page as well as [4] and [5]. Cricket sure is far more popular in India but then that popular crowd does not even know about other National Symbols like Lotus flower or the bird Peacock. thevikas (talk) 11:54, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

But what does the statement actually mean? If there were some sort of official declaration, then yes I can see a case for including it, but if it's just journalists bandying about the phrase, what does it really show? David Underdown (talk) 12:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Roller hockey

You forgot to mention roller hockey - it is in fact very popular —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frozen Serge (talk • contribs) 19:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

India, Pakistan, ... and South Asia?

In the description for field hockey, it mentions this:

"The game is popular among both males and females in many countries of the world, particularly in Europe, India, Pakistan, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and South Asia."

I find this redundant since India and Pakistan are in South Asia. Maybe they meant that it's especially popular in those two countries? Regardless, I think it should be changed (I don't have an account, so I can't make it myself). Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.71.133.98 (talk) 19:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Dino Lelis

Dino Lelis is one of the most feared players in Hockey. Little is known about the Phenom, although he is widely regarded as the greates goalie to never have played in the NHL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flames8889 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Polo

I've removed Polo from the list of "other forms of hockey" as although it's a game involving scoring goals with sticks, it's got a completely separate lineage. Rojomoke (talk) 15:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

• Are you referring to Ice Polo? Because its definitely a precursor to ice hockey, only it used shorter sticks and a ball.--75.6.183.224 (talk) 06:53, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Sticks

The bit about hockey sticks is pretty much completely wrong. The curves by manufacturing companies are not the players custom curves, just branded generic curves. The flex rating is not how easily it breaks, the flex is how many pounds it takes to flex the stick 1 inch. Also, flex does not enable a slapshot, it helps any shot. And the bit about right handed people shooting left, and vice-versa is completely untrue, haveing your dominant hand on the bottom can be just as big an advantage as it gives you better power with a stronger low hand. I can't edit the page (maybe because I am a new user?) but if someone who can would, that would be great because the information there is just flat out not true.

Hommy11 (talk) 22:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Amount Of Players On Ice

Hey any one who can edit this page, (cause I cant...yet)remember to put that there are 6 players on the ice during an ice hockey game. (six including a goalie)Thanks. Poopguy102 (talk) 01:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Not only for the ice hockey. I came to this page to find out how many players play on a typical hockey theme, but I cant find it anywhere. Pretty basic info imo (Tharizdun (talk) 08:31, 9 June 2012 (UTC))

Boot Hockey

I find it strange there is no sublet on 'Boot Hockey' which is similar to spongy but played with a ball. If they are considrered the same it should be known as both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.112.99.132 (talk) 06:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Unicycle hockey

Does this really deserve it's own section? Looks like a very minor variant to me. If Ball hockey (undoubtedly a much larger port) is a bullet point in other forms, so should Unicycle. Cptjeff (talk) 18:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

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Just wanted to say yes - I think it does warrant a section somewhere, there is a national league in the UK, I believe there are two such leagues in Germany, and I suspect there are others too - I note unicycle hockey seems to be missing in the 'rules' sections at the end of the article (the 'codes' table) I couldn't edit it as it seems to be protected in form or other - so here is a link to a version of the unicycle hockey rules http://www.unicycling.org/iuf/rulebook/iufrules/8hockey.html

I think there may be a more recent update - but I can't find the link at present, but if someone could put this into the table at the end - they would be quite acceptable unless someone wants to find a more modern version of them.

Here's a link to the German article on Unicycle hockey [6] (talk) 14:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Why was my edit reverted without an explanation? The unicycle hockey community has been asked to create a section about unicycle hockey before creating a page, which I have done. The section cited the active participation of at least 300 active players and had useful references, so I think it justifies at least a few paragraphs. If it would be better to give unicycle hockey its own page, rather than a redirect, then let's create it, instead of deleting useful content. Tullis (talk) 23:06, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Except you didn't cite a source showing why it needs to be on here, other than a list of teams and clubs.--Asher196 (talk) 23:16, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Please can you elaborate on this? Unicycle hockey was already on Wikipedia and I was trying to expand upon on it, for the benefit of anyone who might be interested in knowing more about it. Have I missed something in the rules?

histoy of hockey

You need a section of the history of hockey. I cant find this information anywhere and was relying on wikipedia to have it but i can not find it anywhere. At least give a link to this information. Thank You! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.7.90.22 (talk) 21:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. If you do find information at a location other than Wikipedia, please leave a link to your source here, or add the material yourself! -- The Red Pen of Doom 21:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

National sport??

"Field hockey is the national sport of India and Pakistan."

Is there any basis for this vague statement, which doesn't appear to be backed up by the reference? If it means the most popular sport in these countries, I would have thought that cricket has the edge. Tsuguya (talk) 03:53, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

The most popular sport?

The article states, concerning ice hockey, "It is the most popular sport ... in Sweden". That is a strange claim, as other sports have more spectators (association football), more athletes (for example floorball) and more media coverage (football and maybe more sports). Better would have been to state that Sweden (and the other countries) are countries where ice hockey is popular. Fomalhaut76 (talk) 15:45, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Shinty

Shinty is not a form of Hockey, it is if anything a form of Hurling 86.42.98.249 (talk) 21:25, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Rules of field hockey No more than 11 players from each team are allowed on the pitch however a maximum of 5 are aloud as substitutes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.181.247 (talk) 17:31, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

hmmm

I dont know what the +/- means so if you could help me that would be great!!

hmmm

I dont know what the +/- means so if you could help me that would be great!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.72.76.73 (talk) 13:47, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Missing History

It states that hockey was 'initially organized' in Montreal at McGill university, but what about earlier reports of British soldiers in the 1850's whom played it, albeit less organized in Nova Scotia??? Hockey at McGill was 'formally' organized, but I dont think it is fair to lay the claim that it was the place where it was 'initially' organized. Could this tidbit be reformed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.11.63.126 (talk) 01:23, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Are you perhaps mixing up field hockey's origins with ice hockey's origins? HiLo48 (talk) 01:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

It was the place where it was initially organized which is the key here. Nova Scotia is where it was initially played. It wasn't an officially organized game in Nova Scotia. That didn't happen until McGill. -DJSasso (talk) 12:27, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Let's clarify here. Are you talking about field hockey, ice hockey, or both? HiLo48 (talk) 21:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

He/She is talking about ice hockey....the statement is under the ice hockey heading. Ice hockey was first played in Nova Scotia...the first organized game (ie one with rules etc) was played in Montreal at McGill. -DJSasso (talk) 00:24, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Can't help much then. I have little interest in ice hockey, but at least I know it exists, and would help if I could. The original question implies that our questioner is not aware of even the existence of any popular form of the game other than or older than ice hockey, despite what the article says. HiLo48 (talk) 00:37, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Chair Hockey

I wanted to add Chair Hockey, the pickup games done among office workers with rolling chairs, briefcases, crumpled paper and garbage bins when the boss is away or the day to day office grindings get to the employees and they snap. *breathe* However, can't edit...--75.6.183.224 (talk) 06:58, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Unicycle Hockey redirects to this page

Currently the Unicycle hockey entry redirects to itself. Will Unicycle Hockey ever be its own page? In that case the redirect page should probably be deleted. Otherwise the entry should be deleted and the link de-wikified. Does this sound okay? meshach (talk) 21:51, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Well the best way to handle it is to create a section here about it, when it gets big enough you then split it to its own article. -DJSasso (talk) 22:11, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

There is a section about it here. The trouble is that section has a link to Unicycle hockey and that page is just a redirect to this very page. meshach (talk) 23:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Personally I prefer the redirect to be here so that people who do type it in, end up at this page. Whether or not its linked from this page, I don't know. Doesn't really matter to me. I see no harm in leaving it linked. -DJSasso (talk) 11:47, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I have created a section about Unicycle hockey, but it was reverted. There is a perfectly adequate page about unicycle hockey in the German Wikipedia but I cannot add a template for translation because there is no stub in the English Wikipedia. Tullis (talk) 23:23, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I have deleted the redirect and created a unicycle hockey page. Unicycle hockey no longer redirects here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tullis (talk • contribs) 00:26, 15 May 2011 (UTC)