Talk:Hockey/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

The sport of hockey

I've added a line in the lead section to mention that the word "hockey" is used to refer to different sports. I thought I should write something here as there was a sentence to this effect before, which was removed in an uncommented change in 2008 and never reinstated. The line reads as follows:

In many areas, one sport (typically field hockey or ice hockey) is generally referred to simply as hockey.

I would say that floor hockey is "like hockey, except that..." rather than that it is "a sort of hockey where...", so I thought it odd that Wikipedia only acknowledges the latter meaning.

In the Oxford Paperback Dictionary (4th Ed.), "hockey" is defined as either being "a game played on a field between two teams of players with curved sticks and a small hard ball" or as a synonym for "ice hockey". The phrase "field hockey" is not listed at all. I picked those sports because those are the ones I know people call hockey, and used the order in the main body of the article.

If there is a problem with this, please let me know. Aoeuidhtns (talk) 00:19, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Maybe a section on famous, known or important hockey players through out the years should be included in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryleighrichter (talk • contribs) 01:43, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Page should be redirected to ice hockey. Hockey=ice hockey in majority of the English speaking world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.91.154.167 (talk) 04:14, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Hockey = Ice hockey in Canada, USA and a bunch of non-English speaking European countries. As for the English speaking world, have you checked with the rest of the Commonwealth, especially all the English speakers in India and Pakistan? HiLo48 (talk) 04:27, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

field hockey is a pussy sport off course its not well played. Hockey on the other hand is an actual sport. 110,000 people for the highest attended hockey game. what is field hockey's 20,000 lol

THe USA's and Canada's population combined is 400 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.91.154.167 (talk) 19:07, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

350 million would be a closer figure. But anyway, so what? HiLo48 (talk) 03:05, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

and India has three times that. But anyway, still so what. duffbeerforme (talk) 06:14, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Majority of which can't speak English. Canada and USA almost everyone has a command of the language. Its fact hockey = ice hockey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.91.154.167 (talk) 15:38, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

And that post reads like one from a person whose first language certainly isn't English. Definitely not good English anyway. Can we raise the level of discussion here? Exactly what point are you trying to make. (And please use complete sentences. That's what our articles have to contain.) HiLo48 (talk) 20:02, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 April 2013

In the section for roller hockey, it mentions Quad Hockey "has existed since long before inline skates were invented." This is untrue; as per wikipedia itself, inline skates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inline_skates#History) were listed as invented in 1849, whereas quad skates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_skates) were invented in 1863. Not only are inlines older, they were created as an off-ice version of ice skates, and then quads were created as a redesign of them. MacVerde (talk) 15:11, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

The skates were invited at those dates. But Quad Hockey has been around longer than inline hockey. Quad hockey has been around since the 1800s whereas inline hockey began in 1993. -DJSasso (talk) 15:17, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Ice Hockey in Mexico, WTF??

"The game is played all over North America" - How many Mexican hockey players have you ever heard of? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.88.245 (talk) 01:12, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Good point. How about we change it to "The game Is played extensively throughout Canada and the USA"? HiLo48 (talk) 01:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Believe it or not Mexico has ice hockey players and teams. They also ice a national team which plays in the IIHF world championships. Remember hockey is not just the NHL. A good book to read is Tropic of Hockey by Dave Bidini. It discusses hockey in countries you would not think of. -DJSasso (talk) 01:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Mexico has nearly 2500 registered ice hockey players, more than Slovenia (who are in the Olympics), so North America is an appropriate term.18abruce (talk) 22:30, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on December 14, 2013

Field hockey has 126 members [1] while hockey has 72 members [2]

Done, thanks! --ElHef (Meep?) 21:22, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

But field hockey IS hockey. HiLo48 (talk) 21:32, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh not in North America loL! sorry

can wr move this page to redieect to real hockey which is played on ice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.164.79.114 (talk) 21:29, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Minor Edits

The description of floor hockey is grammerly incorrect, and there is a unnecessary comma after the next type of hockey. Under history, there is a "c." before "600 BC." Buscus 3 (talk) 05:24, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

I've had a go at making it grammerly better (but I'm not so sure about this section). The "c." in front of "600 BC." is an abbreviation of Circa, meaning "approximately". HiLo48 (talk) 06:33, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what "grammerly" means ;-), but the request appears to have been answered. Arjayay (talk) 15:04, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Maybe we can say "approx." instead of "c." because not everyone knows what Circa is. (Buscus 3 (talk) 05:33, 20 April 2014 (UTC))

When I don't know something, I look it up in Wikipedia. We could use the full word "circa". HiLo48 (talk) 19:13, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

That is true. (Buscus 3 (talk) 05:37, 20 April 2014 (UTC))

Smaller Types of Hockey

Gym and beach hockey don't have any links. We should make pages for them. Buscus 3 (talk) 03:40, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Actually, there is "Pro Beach Hockey" if anyone wants to link it there. Buscus 3 (talk) 03:46, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Pro Beach Hockey was basically just inline hockey so its already linked. That was just one particular league of it. -DJSasso (talk) 12:48, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

"Hockey on the ice"

Hockey on ice is up for discussion, see the RfD. -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 04:15, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

It's talked about again, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 22. Röd Boll (talk) 10:07, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Subtypes: Separate Ground hockey from Ice hockey

Due to the current discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 22#Hockey on the ice there's an argument that redirects "hockey on the ice" to bandy because of a historical context, however, anyone wanting to search for hockey on the ice would likely find "ice hockey" first. The hockey subtypes should be separated into ground hockey and ice hockey so that people can distinguish which type of hockey is played on the ground or roller rink, and which one is played specifically on ice.Conyo14 (talk) 17:30, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

You mean to have headlines for "ice" under which bandy and ice hockey would be, "ground" under which field hockey would be and "floor" under which roller hockey, floor hockey and floorball would be? Also perhaps one for "water" for underwater hockey and so? Röd Boll (talk) 11:39, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Underwater hockey isn't listed in this wiki article, also ground hockey would be anything not played on the ice, field hockey, roller hockey, and street hockey. Hockey on the ice would include bandy, ice hockey, and sledge hockey. So, there really would be two categories these sports fall under. If that makes sense.Conyo14 (talk) 05:49, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Draft outline

There's a draft for an outline of hockey at Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of hockey. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:29, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

So? What for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.251.64.88 (talk) 20:23, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2016

According to a recent article in the Providence Journal hockey is the most popular extracurricular activity for middle school students in Rhode Island and the 2nd most popular sport for high school freshman in Connecticut.

Cwolfskehl (talk) 16:51, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:35, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2017

An old name for bandy is hockey on the ice; in the first rule books from England at the turn of the Century 1900, the sport is literally called "bandy or hockey on the ice".

References

Considered Changes

Would like to explore the cultural differences that Canada has in ice hockey opposed to the rest of the world. Also, the influential people of ice hockey and how it has lead to the popularity of the sport in other parts of the world. Players such as Wayne Gretzky, who is from Canada, and the impact that he had. Gretzky is known as "The Great One" and in hockey has had a positive influence on the game.

Would like to also expand upon the general overview of 'ice hockey' and the origin of where it started.

Lastly, the subtype of hockey called "pond hockey" should be explained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rossitlt (talk • contribs) 21:38, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Lastly, updating pictures throughout page is something I plan to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rossitlt (talk • contribs) 17:39, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

This article is about the general topic of hockey, getting more specific about any one variant is done on their individual pages such as ice hockey. Pond hockey being a variant of ice hockey is also talked about on ice hockey and is linked in the section below the more detailed overviews because its not really different from ice hockey other than it being less formal and not following all the rules of ice hockey like any other kind of pick up game in any sport. -DJSasso (talk) 10:40, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Pictures in the article

The pictures in the article seem to a little outdated. I believe they should be more current and relevant to the culture that the sport has made an impact globally. Rossitlt (talk) 19:48, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

The images are intended to show what the games look like. This isn't a page about just one sport, its about a number of sports so the pictures are intended to show how they look. -DJSasso (talk) 10:44, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Hockey Hall of Fame

Is the Hockey Hall of Fame something that should be discussed on a broad scale in this page? Feel like it is an important part of the game and how it has changed during the past history. Let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rossitlt (talk • contribs) 16:48, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

name in egypt (hoksha)

In Egypt, 4000-year-old untel now we play hoksha it is the same name (hockey)i think in 19th century some one see the egyption play this take it to england

Added Information.

Hi. I am new to Wikipedia and the talk page. I believe this article is very short as it does not include several factors that are important to hockey. I believe this article can benefit by including sub-sections regarding the different leagues and championships that grow the game of hockey. This article briefly mentioned the National Hockey League (NHL). However, I feel it can benefit by talking more about it. In addition, by adding internal links to different leagues this article will me more engaging.--Hamzas2 (talk) 18:30, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

That information is covered in the Ice hockey page. This page is an article about the group of sports that make up hockey so just have brief summaries of the different types. The main page for each type has more information. -DJSasso (talk) 14:50, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2019

Bigboy19189 (talk) 18:49, 29 October 2019 (UTC)can i add something to this article

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 18:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

"Bandy is played professionally in Russia and Sweden and is considered a national sport in Russia."

I think it's mistake. National sport in Russia is ICE hockey, not bandy. MBH (talk) 14:51, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• A grammatical issue is getting in the way here. The claim you are disputing says "A national sport". Your claim should probably have had the word "The" in front of the word "National", but that would make yours a straw man argument. Grammar is important. HiLo48 (talk) 22:50, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  • As far as I know, bandy isn't national sport in Russia. MBH (talk) 08:03, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
    • Again, there's a problem with your grammar. You need either the word "the" or "a" before "national sport". Without either, your meaning is unclear. HiLo48 (talk) 08:53, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
      • OK, more clearer: bandy isn't even a national sport in Russia. National sports in Russia is football, ice hockey, basketball, volleyball, ski, swimming... that's main. You can go to one of the main Russian sport sites, https://www.sports.ru/ , and see in top panel main sports in Russia. MBH (talk) 01:53, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2020

Hockey started in the 1950s 69.157.194.106 (talk) 19:19, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:32, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2021

In most of the world, the term hockey by itself refers to field hockey, while in Canada, the United States, Russia and most of Eastern and Northern Europe, the term usually refers to ice hockey.

should be replaced by:

In most of the world, the term hockey by itself refers to field hockey, while in Canada, the United States, Russia and most of Central, Eastern and Northern Europe, the term usually refers to ice hockey.

- In Germany, Austria, Switzerland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia (countries of the Central Europe) ice hockey is also very popular and the term hockey also means ice hockey there.

- Teams from those countries play in the Champions Hockey League, the second best international ice hockey league in Europe after the KHL. 188.112.97.194 (talk) 18:11, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:22, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 23:45, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

One form of hockey dominating the pics

Five of the first six photos from the start of the article are about ice hockey. That's obviously inappropriate. We must have done better at some stage in the past. HiLo48 (talk) 03:44, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Equipment - Footwear section is not universal for all forms of hockey

The Equipment - Footwear section needs to have an overhaul or needs to be completely removed.

The hockey page is about all forms of hockey, yet this section only mentions footwear of roller hockey. More forms of footwear should be added BlastKast (talk) 01:41, 10 October 2022 (UTC)