Talk:Harry Styles (album)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2017

Please add category for Graphic Designer and include Jacob Hassett as the artist. Hassettproductions (talk) 04:55, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I presume from your username that you are somehow affiliated with Jacob Hassett and have a conflict of interest. So I'm not inclined to add this without some reliable, independent source. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 13:42, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Genre

All this has is AllMusic saying it "works exceedingly well as a modern pop album"; and Rolling Stone saying it "invokes an intimately emotional Seventies soft-rock vibe". The field on the infobox is empty. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 20:13, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Critical Reception

For Vox, Sarah Sahim suggests that "in giving the intransigent boundaries previously dictated to him the middle finger, Styles is typifying the essence of punk." Bungledup (talk) 16:34, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2017

Add In the genre section Pop Rock Indie Rock Dream Pop And Maybe Rock N 'Roll And Alternative rock SOMEMEHELLBOIII (talk) 10:29, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

 Not done SOMEMEHELLBOIII Please provide a source that supports these changes. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 12:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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Personnel

Personnel looks heavy now. I have small screen on my PC but before when it was in 2 columns it looked great. And there were no problems with that. Same on my phone. And almost all albums pages has "Personnel" in 2 columns. Is it really necessary to give to it so much space? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EleniSpelmen (talk • contribs) 12:07, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

@EleniSpelmen: It still is in two columns. Only the markup for the template div col, to split the columns, has changed, so that may be why. Ss112 12:48, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Shouldn't Leading be Transfused to "Eponymous debut studio album by British singer/songwriter of the same name?"

Fellow UKer Dua Lipa debut album was also self titled. And so as Cabello and Lovato though it was their forenames.

But most self titled long players rather have leading sentence transfused to something like this e.g. "XYZ is the (cardinal number goes here) studio album by the XYZ of the same name" in lieu of having artist name repeated more than once.

Sounds like a fancier way to address right? The latter album mentioned above wasn't her first it was her fourth.

Let this sentencing convention happen one of those days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.163.17 (talk • contribs) 23:19, 9 May 20198 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 06:38, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Namely NVH it's the fact that the artist's name can't be repeated more than once. It's the main point of this conversation.

67.81.163.178 (talk) 15:15, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Sweet Creature

@EleniSpelmen: "Sweet Creature" is a single according to multiple sources:

• NME: Listen to Harry Styles' new single 'Sweet Creature' ([1]) and Harry Styles discusses new single 'Sweet Creature' ([2])
• Teen Vogue: ... 'Sweet Creature,' his second solo single ... ([3])
• Evening Standard: Harry Styles reduced his fan base to tears after he dropped his second solo single ([4])
• Refinery29: ... the legality of Styles' new single ([5]).
• The Sun also called it a single ([6]), but it can't be used as a reference on Wikipedia.

Radio impact or a music video is not necessarily required for a song to be considered a single, but if you'd like to argue about radio, the song premiered on Beats 1 Radio as Zane Lowe's "World Record", songs that are released there are generally considered singles, and I can't imagine why he would promote it there if this was just a promotional single. You've yet to provide any source that calls it a promotional single, buzz single, or anything like that. You can't just assume a song to be a promotional single whenever the artist or the label doesn't directly call it a single. Hayman30 (talk) 04:51, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hayman30: NME, the Sun, Evening Standard, Refinery29, just call it as a "single" because it was released before the album. As separate song. Apple Music Beats 1 Radio is online radio and it was just premiered there. That's it. Sweet Creature never was a single and never was promoted as one. All those articles by british media, calling it as a "single" as they always do with every song that released like that. But Sweet Creature never was a single in the UK or we would have a lot of proffs of that. Please give me something more than outlets saying the word "single" in articles written at the same day when it was released.

Here is Billboard, Forbes and official Sony press release saying it is just a "new track":

• Sony Music: HARRY STYLES SHARES NEW TRACK “SWEET CREATURE” ([7])
• Billboard: Harry Styles Debuts New Song 'Sweet Creature' ([8]).
• Forbes: Harry Styles Debuts His Solo Rock Album At No. 1 In The U.S. ([9]).

Sony: “Sweet Creature” is the third track to be unveiled from his highly anticipated debut album that also includes the current single “Sign of the Times,”.

Forbes: Follow-up promotional single “Sweet Creature” .

@EleniSpelmen: Sweet Creature never was a single and never was promoted as one – that's your opinion, not fact. We don't have some sort of threshold to determine which songs are singles are which ones aren't. If a source calls it a single, it is a single. In this case, multiple sources call it a single. Please give me something more than outlets saying the word 'single' in articles written at the same day when it was released – I don't need to "give" you anything. No one gets to control which songs are singles and which ones aren't. Sources determine that. And what's the problem with "articles written at the same day when it was released"? As if article should be written days after the song's release to be considered reliable? I don't seem to get your point here. Here is Billboard, Forbes and official Sony press release saying it is just a 'new track' – calling it a "track" or "song" doesn't mean it can't be a single. There's no contradiction here. "Sweet Creature" can be a single, song, and track at the same time. The Forbes article you quoted is a contributor article which is not considered a reliable source as per WP:FORBESCON. The Sony press release you provided, which referred to "Sign of the Times" as "the current single" at the time, is debatable, but it still doesn't explicitly call "Sweet Creature" a promotional single. We can't just automatically assume that the song is a promotional single based on a primary source, especially when there's no explicit statement, as per WP:PRIMARY. I'm inclined to go with what the secondary sources say and keep this as a single, but I'll ping Certificationsaccess to see if they have any additional input on this, as they were the one who originally added this. By the way, when pinging an editor, please sign your message, or else the ping won't go through. Thanks. Hayman30 (talk) 10:06, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hayman30: It is not my option. It is what was happening during 2017. I was here, I'm a fan of Harry and there were no mentions of 'Sweet Creature' being promoted as official single. Unfortunately, it is really hard to provide sources that saying it wasn't a single because usually people don't write it. But here some more. The same the Sun (I know it can't be used as the source, but you mentioned it before) saying Two Ghosts is Harry's second single. A few more about Kiwi being third single:

• Music Week: Harry has released second single, Two Ghosts ([10])
• The Sun: Harry Styles appeared on the ITV chat show to promote his second solo single ([11]).
• Billboard: "Kiwi" is the third music video and single from the One Direction member’s self-titled debut solo album([12]) and “Kiwi” served as the third and final single to Styles’ self-titled debut solo album, ([13])

Both Two Ghosts and Kiwi had impact date, videos, and were promoted as official singles. No mention about 'Sweet Creature'. Sign of the Times - first single, Two Ghosts - second, Kiwi - third. It has been 3 years and there is no point to change all his pages and name 'Sweet Creature' as a single when there is nothing that can confirm it was (only articles saying single (the same word for "song")). Based on your own logic if article said "single" it doesn't mean it is a single. Sony - his label - saying it is just track from the album on the official press release about the song.

+ In the article about Harry's official singles in Ireland 'Sweet Creature' is not listed as one. (it peaked in the top 40 in Ireland) * Official Charts Company: Harry's six official singles ranked by chart sales (downloads & streams) below ([14]).

Please, change all his pages back to how it was before as 'Sweet Creature' being promotional single. ps: I apologize, I'm not fluent English speaker.

Thanks. EleniSpelmen (talk) 11:32, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

@EleniSpelmen: Thanks for providing sources to support your claims. We clearly have a conflict between sources here, with some sources calling "Sweet Creature" his second single, while some say it's "Two Ghosts". The Sun is unreliable and cannot be used as a source. Billboard did not directly refer to "Two Ghost" as the second single either, it merely said that "Kiwi" is the third, there's no way we can infer from that statement whether the second single is "Sweet Creature" or "Two Ghosts". The Sony Music press release and the Music Week report (the "official" sources) does say that "Two Ghosts" is the second single, so I propose we reach a commpromise: I'll restore "Two Ghosts" as the second single and "Sweet Creature" back to a promotional single, while also adding a note to the article explaining the conflict between sources. I think this would be the best solution as we can't just disregard and discard all the other sources saying that "Sweet Creature" is the second single, no matter how strongly you may disagree with. Seeing as Certificationsaccess doesn't have anything to add, I'll proceed with the proposed changes if you agree.

But to respond to other other parts of your message: I was here, I'm a fan of Harry and there were no mentions of 'Sweet Creature' being promoted as official single – it doesn't matter who you are, how much advanced knowledge you have about Harry Styles, or if you work at Sony Music. Verifiability matters on Wikipedia, and your observation cannot be verified, nor can it be a reliable source. Both Two Ghosts and Kiwi had impact date, videos, and were promoted as official singles. – again, there isn't a set of rules that determine whether a song is a single, at least not on Wikipedia. Music video, radio impact, etc. are not determining factors, they're irrelevant to the discussion. What we need is a source saying that it is a single. It has been 3 years and there is no point to change all his pages and name 'Sweet Creature' as a single when there is nothing that can confirm it was – if there's no point change it, why do you care so much? And it's not about whether there's a "point" to change it, it's about whether the content on this article is accurate. We have a conflict of sources here, and it's important to let the readers know. And again, we don't need any "confirmation", sources are all we need. .... single (the same word for "song")). Based on your own logic if article said "single" it doesn't mean it is a single – um, no? A "single" is different from a "song", people don't just point to a random song on the album and call it a single, there's a clear distinction. Make sure to ping me when you reply. Thanks. Hayman30 (talk) 03:20, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hayman30: My main problem with the sources that named 'Sweet Creature' as a second single - when they were written. It happen at the same day of the release and most of outlets named it as a second single because it was the second song Harry had ever released. And after some time it was clear that 'Sweet Creature' was just a standout track released before the album and not official second single. That's why I was "screaming" about articles saying it is the second single when it was written on the day of its release. NME and Evening Standard are british media, and Music Week (UK as well) confirmed that 'Two Ghosts' is official second single and not 'Sweet Creature'.

Billboard did not directly refer to "Two Ghost" as the second single either, it merely said that "Kiwi" is the third, there's no way we can infer from that statement whether the second single is "Sweet Creature" or "Two Ghosts" 'Two Ghosts' had radio impact date (all the links on its page) + Harry himself announced it as a single on "The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon" ([15])(last video in the article, 2:45). It is confirmed that 'Two Ghosts' was a single, so Billboard mentioning 'Kiwi' as the third and last single kinda means that 'Sweet Creature' wasn't the one.

I agree with solution you suggested. To me the most important part is 'Sweet Creature' listed as promotional single (with the note) and not official one, with 'Harry Styles' album having 3 official singles like it was before. Thank you! (I don't khow to correctly ping or reply here, I'm so sorry.) EleniSpelmen (talk) 09:52, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't think you get my point at all. As I've stated multiple times, radio impact, live performance or music video does not determine whether a song is a single not. Not on Wikipedia. The existence of those things cannot "confirm" that a song is or is not a single. Wikipedia is based on sources, not original research. Nobody is disputing that "Two Ghosts" is a single, but whether it's the second or the third. Billboard mentioning 'Kiwi' as the third and last single kinda means that 'Sweet Creature' wasn't the one. – you arrived at that conclusion by inferring from what the author wrote, but they didn't explicitly say that "Two Ghosts" is the second single, that's entirely your interpretation in which you inserted your own views. Hayman30 (talk) 14:24, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Austria

The album reached gold for 7.5k+ copies shipped in Austria. source: https://ifpi.at/auszeichnungen/ Please add that! --2A02:B98:4731:9FE4:FCDB:4765:BB5C:CCB (talk) 15:32, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

In progress: An editor is implementing the requested edit. Amadeus²² 🙋 🔔 23:14, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

 Already done by Lk95 at this edit Amadeus²² 🙋 🔔 23:18, 8 May 2022 (UTC)