Talk:Han Solo/Archive 1

Archive 1

"Lowest rank grade"?

Why was Solo's commission "presumably to lowest grade"? --Meelar 02:11, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Promotions in militaries are typically only done one rank at a time, so if Solo held a lower rank in the Rebel military and was then promoted to a generalship, he'd presumably start out at the lowest rank of general. But it's possible that Solo was promoted to fill a gap higher in the command structure. The Rebel Alliance military was always much less formalized than the Empire's, mostly due to necessity -- they had far fewer personnel, were more likely to make significant organizational changes, and were constantly shifting their order of battle as they moved from hidden base to hidden base. That said, I don't think this particular phrase is necessary in the article -- I don't know that there's any particular evidence of Solo's exact rank, nor do I think it especially matters, since Solo's operations as General were typically commando-style or special ops-style missions (although he did command a few battle fleets), and in the novels he's not presented as especially keen on being part of a rigid command structure (despite his time in the Imperial Navy). I vote that someone remove the phrase "presumably to lowest grade". --dirtside

Done. --Meelar 02:23, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

"Shoots first" issue in Special Edition

Some mention of the "Han Shoots First" issue may be appropriate here. I'd do it myself, but I'll have to research the details a little first. Anyone feel free to do it first.

I would argue that it is appropriate for these reasons (the following turned out long after I wrote it; sorry.)

1. Han Solo's character was immediately very popular; he might have been the most popular character excluding Luke Skywalker (or perhaps no excluding L.S.) when the original movie came out, although I probably can't back this claim up rigorously. Suffice to say, Solo was a favorite character of many fans.
2. Solo's popularity can be attributed to more than just Harrison Ford's performance, but specific attributes of the character of Han Solo, specifically, his independent, irreverant, rogish (sp?) qualities. Some scholars have identified Solo's character as example of a classic archetype, and attribute a deeper mythological meaning to his significant contributions to the rebel cause despite his lack of idealism.
3. The "Han Shoots First" issue involves an unpopular decision by Lucas to modify the original scene in which Greedo is shot by Han. In the modified version, Greedo fires first (missing at a ridiculously close range), and Han fires back afterwards, killing Greedo. Critics charge that, besides being an unwarranted modification of a classic film, the change is uncharactersitic of Solo. Lucas feels that Han shooting first makes Solo appear "cold-blooded". Critics of Lucas point at that that is exactly why it should be left unchanged; the dangerous "edginess" of Han is a big part of his character. (Besides, Han would be an idiot not to realize that Greedo was about to shoot him.)
4. In the (unlikely) event that the fact that the original version had Han shooting first becomes little known in decades to come, it would seem important that the fact be mentioned with reference to the character's history. The scene in question was the scene that introduced Han Solo as a character.

(In retrospect, perhaps the issue deserves a page of its own?? Nah. At most, it's worth one short paragraph.) --M. E. Smith

The swear words are gone. I thank who did this. I'll search for more swear words on Wikipedia, and revert them to earlier versions so nobody will be offended. --KFan II

Next time, see Wikipedia:How to revert a page to an earlier version --Brion

English Unit Height

I added in the English Unit Height next to the Metric Height for those not familiar with it. I am not sure how this will be taken, but it only adds to the information.

WTF

Under the image, a caption reads: Squirrel with herpes Falcon? Huh?

New Picture

How about a new pic of the real Han Solo (Harrison Ford) not the book one? --Anon.

That's done. --Maru 16:25, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

One question

How did Cheewbacca end up with Han solo, can someone tell me the story to it? --Pece Kocovski 05:59, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Actually... good question. The Han Solo trilogy should answer this question but because of the old Han Solo in the Corporate Sector, there were three major ellipses in the trilogy to provide holes for them. Han is simply presented after one as having been expelled from the Imperial Starfleet when he intervened in a slave detail which was brutally, fatally abusing its Wookiees, thus saving Chewbacca's life. Whereupon Chewbacca insisted on a life-debt and the two began smuggling. That's all that really is known right now. Sorry if that isn't much help. --Maru (talk) 06:15, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

C3PO

I know this is a stupid question, but C-3PO is usually very helpful when it comes to fixing things WITHOUT R2 around. What does Han have against 3PO? [http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/User:Frattsie]

He talks too much. 70.105.109.83 21:55, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Height Question

Since there appears to have been vandalism regarding Han Solo's height, I thought it might be a good idea to ask what Harrison Ford's height was (during the movies to be precise in case it changed over the decades). Will 06:18, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Galactic Empire

In the Han Solo trilogy books, Han was in the Imperial Navy, so I added Galactic Empire as an affiliation

Eh, I wouldn't say he is really affiliated with the Empire. It's not what he's known for in the Star Wars universe, and he definitely isn't exactly a friend of the Empire. I'm going to revert. – Mipadi 01:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Han Solo trilogy?

Where do these books fit in his bio? I believe the last one is just prior to ANH—IIRC, Han mentions getting a loan from Jabba to attempt a smuggling run, probably the one that he had to dump thus incurring Jabba's wrath. I'll let someone with more knowledge fill this in, though. ⇔ ChristTrekker 21:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Proof of Saber Competence

I would like to see supporting evidence for Han Solo's ability to use the lightsaber. As I am unfamiliar with the expanded universe, I do not know if it is in the books although I am assuming so since I don't remember Han ever showing interest in the Jedi arts throughout the movies. Could someone please provide an excerpt of the text where Han uses a lightsaber? --Crisco 1492 08:47, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

I am afraid I can't remember the exact book, but Solo does indeed use a lightsaber for cutting something, somewhere in the EU. So he can use a lightsaber w/o chopping off his hand, but that's not saying much, and whether or not it is relevant enough to keep in the article, I leave up to you. --Maru 16:14, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

I have decided to delete the reference until more evidence is found. Thanks for the speedy reply. Crisco 1492 18:17, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Not to be a pain or anything (not having read the original article) but, Han used a lightsaber to cut open a tauntaun in the movies (V to be exact). --70.105.68.30 23:38, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

...Now I feel very stupid. That was the exact thing I was trying to remember when I made my vague "somewhere in the EU" comment. Thanks, anon. --Maru (talk) 04:15, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

In a new book that came out three months ago, han uses a lightsaber to kill evil insectoid creatures.--Wookiebaca 23:20, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Han also used a lightsaber in Heir to the Empire. Will 06:17, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Han used the lightsaber of Luke to cut the animal he rode on for saving Luke in the beginning of Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back.--Mato Rei 10:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I was reading the book "The Art of Star Wars Episode IV A New Hope" and at the end there was a section of many movie posters released in various countries, as well as some comics as spinoffs. On the cover of one of the comic books they had displayed, Han said "Grab me a lightsaber, Chewey". He was in the middle of fighting off stormtroopers of something. This doesn't really help any of the ideas submitted above, and I'm no expert, having seen only the movies of the Star Wars saga and no extended thingys, but it is an interesting fact to add to this discussion I think.74.60.25.192 05:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

small error

There's a small error regarding Han Solo's handover to Jabba via Boba Fett.Darth Vader never "sold" Solo to Boba Fett.He's the one who hired Fett to catch Solo in the first place. I think someone misunderstood Vader's promise to Fett about compensation.

It's simple:

• Vader simply hired Fett to track down Solo(Fett was already on a lead since Jabba had already hired him for the same job),tested the carbon freeze on him(intended for Luke,because he wanted to deliver Luke to the Emperor alive)and let Boba take him to Jabba for another reward.

("I do not want the emperors prize damaged.We will test it on captain Solo"-Vader talking to Lando in Empire).

Point is Vader never "sold" Solo to Fett.Nadirali 16:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

second paragraph correction

The second paragraph of the article stated that first appeared in episode IV as "a reluctant, selfish participant in the fight against the evil Galactic Empire." In fact, when he first met luke and obi-wan, solo was not involved in the fight against the empire, but rather was a smuggler with no political agenda. only later does he become involved in the rebellion Thewookie55 02:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Penultimate paragraph

Check out the last two sentences of the penultimate paragraph : "Later he Boba Fett, and Mirta Gev all killed him by shooting him in the head. But before he left he tried to get Kashyyk to join the rebellion, it was also the Jacen Solo (Darth Caedus) started to orbital bombarnment the planet."This is pretty bad English. I'm not sure I get what they are saying: does that mean Han dies ? I don't know enough about the extended universe to correct it myself, could someone take care of it ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.205.13.105 (talk) 16:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Han Solo acted by Ben Affleck???

somewhere in wiki's deep database mirrors must be floating around a vandalized version of this article, that reads that Ben Affleck was the actor of Han Solo character (even w. deeplinking to Ben Afflecks wiki-page). I couldnt believe it, but my girl showed it to me. So i logged in, about to correct it, and it was gone. I checked history and compared them, but so far only the picture was today changed. The "Ben Affleck" version had still the old picture. Can somebody w. better system-rights please check up on that? thank you Archangel Michael 23:43, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Just to clarify, was Ben Affleck considered for the role of Han Solo? And which is the source that says it? --David Pro 18:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's obvious vandalism: Ben Affleck was unknown until the nineties, and, even if he had been considered for the role of Solo, he would have been only five years old at the time of its release! — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 02:07, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Additional Citations

I went ahead and added the {{Refimprove}} tag to the top of the page, since the article is in dire need of more footnotes. However, I'm not the kind of editor who just calls attention to something by tagging an article and not do anything to make it better. As you can see, I've already included a few refs already. It's my sincere hope that I'll be able to expand this article as much as I did Princess Leia's, and I should be able to tackle it within the next few days. . . Until then, may the Force be with us all. — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 02:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

The article is in more need of that: it is in need of more out of universe information. The lead is a good start, mentioning how Lucas sees this character. More is still necessary. For instnace, I've read that the reason why Solo was captured and frozen was becuase Ford refused to commit to three parts, so they needed some way to explain his disappearance if Ford wouldn't come back for Jedi. Does Ford have any thoughts about his character? Maybe there can be some info on the famous Greedo-Han exchange, and how Lucas changed it so Greedo shoots first. hbdragon88 (talk) 03:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Great ideas! But unfortunately, my busy schedule is picking up again and so my Wiki-time will be a little sparse for a while. I also won't be able to contribute to this article as much as I thought, since my edits will be focusing on bringing the Princess Leia and Duck Soup articles up to GA status. But I sincerely hope that, afterwards, I'll be able to improve this one. Thanks. — Cinemaniac (talk • contribs) 20:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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Spelling

Before I write the Obiwan Kenobi article, anyone have a clear idea how to spell the old gent (I mean Jedi)'s name? --Ed Poor, Tuesday, June 11, 2002

See eg http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/obiwankenobi/index.html. It's Obi-Wan Kenobi. --Brion VIBBER

ISN'T IT JUST OBI-WAN KENOBI? Sorry for shouting, but it seemed obvious. 8 December 200674.60.25.192 05:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)Leia 22

Well the name has been spelled differently on several occasions so it's not as obvious as it appears to be, and even if it was sources are still needed to confirm the name's accuracy otherwise it's just original research. 68.219.26.177 (talk) 23:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Rebuffed?

In the Episode VI: Return of the Jedi section, I noticed an error regarding the moments before Han Solo is frozen in carbonite. The article states that Leia revealed her love for him, but was rebuffed. However, Han said, "I know", which does not constitute rebuffment. Some may argue the fact that he did not verbally reciprocate her love counts as a rejection. Originally, Han Solo was planned to say "I love you too" in response to Leia. The line was changed, since it did not reflect his character. Even though the line was changed, the meaning behind it remained. This should be changed in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.82 (talk) 06:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

a 'Fonzie' in space - proof ?

I quote from the Conception and development section. "Han Solo was intended to be the Fonzie of Star Wars, older wiser and "cooler" counterpart to Luke's Richie."
That is a very ambitious claim. Where is the proof please ? Aethandor (talk) 11:52, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think there is any; I've never even heard that before. How in the world did that get there? Cinemaniac (talk • contribs • critique) 21:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Japanese Dub

Is there any reason (a good reason, that is, rampant Japanophilia doesn't count) for the voice actor who did the Japanese dub to be listed in the "Portrayed by" section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.16.25.238 (talk) 20:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Wookie marriage?

I just heard that in early scripts, Solo was slated to marry a Wookie. Later, this was changed so that he would marry Leia. Shanoman (talk) 03:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles Need to be Combined

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Solo_Adventures should be merged with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Solo. Actually all three stories from Han_Solo_Adventures need to be merged. --Wikidolmetscher (talk) 15:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Origin of the Han Solo name?

I just finished watching the first episode of a documentary entitled "When We Left Earth". It shows that the first creature sent into outer space by the Americans, as part of the Mercury Project was a chimpanzee named 'Han'. This got me wondering if there's a connection between this and the name 'Han Solo'. In other words, "First monkey, all alone" vs. "Han Solo" - doesn't that seem like more than mere coincidence? Rwerner (talk) 13:25, 21 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.245.92 (talk)

No, I'd say it's clearly Wikipedia:OR. —— Digital Jedi Master (talk) 06:48, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

the chimp was named HAM not HAN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_the_Chimp —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.160.242.128 (talk) 05:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

"Han" is Swedish for "Him", could just as easily be that. 212.27.28.8 (talk) 17:57, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Hand solo redirects to this article?

Han solo is the last thing that comes to my mind when I read hand solo...

Any reason it is linked, seems somewhat bizzare to me. 213.81.109.62 (talk) 01:11, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Probably created because it's a plausible typo. --EEMIV (talk) 01:18, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Another Character Influenced by Han Solo?

Sometime around the release of the first X-Men movie (2000), the Fox website hosted a chat with Hugh Jackman, during which he commented that he found Wolverine a Han Solo-like character. I suppose there could be a transcript out there confirming this, if someone cares to look. (Just thought I'd mention it, seeing as the article already states that Chris Pine says he used Ford's Lucasfilm characters as templates for his portrayal of Kirk.)

67.128.126.10 (talk) 19:39, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, but that's Hugh Jackman's interpretation.Comatmebro ^{~Come at me~} 19:46, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

"evil Galactic empire?"

I believe the use of "evil" to describe the Galactic empire in the intro paragraph of this article violates the Wikipedia neutrality policy. I have changed "evil" to "authoritarian" to rectify this. 96.50.20.136 (talk) 03:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Does Wiki's neutrality policy really apply in this case? The Empire has been referred to as The Evil Galactic Empire in cultural slang since ANH was first released. Obi Wan also refers to the Empire as evil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.234.133 (talk) 05:38, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Bob Dylan

I was surprised this article didn't contain any reference to the obvious inspiration for Han Solo's costume: Bob Dylan's outfit circa Don't Look Back in the video for Subterranean Homesick Blues.. (Solo representing the ultimate rebel like Dylan).. here's the video [1]. I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned by Lucas in a commentary somewhere. --Krakko (talk) 05:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Any similarities are minor, and without verifiable reliable sources, any mention would be original research, which we don't need. MikeWazowski (talk) 19:29, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Well Mr. Condescending Wikipedia Expert, I'd say the outfits are exactly the same without accounting for minor details. Maybe Han's vest is made of Bantha leather and Dylan's of standard leather, for example, but for those of us who live in the real world those things look the same. I would not call that "original research" I would call it pointing out an obvious connection, which people do on Wikipedia all the time. How's that for your policy? Hey, while we're at it, why don't we try to make an article that focuses on the symbolism and the conception of the character, rather then droning on with every minute detail about his back story taken from every movie and book about Star Wars ever made. --Krakko (talk) 00:00, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

That video of Dylan is in black and white and his shirt has a grey look to it, meaning in color it's not white like Han's shirt, but probably blue or something. You have to look at Dylan's outfit in the context of the time period. There was nothing unique about that outfit in the 60's...and the vest was more likely suede, not leather. Just because it's vaguely similar, doesn't mean it was the influence. More likely Han's outfit was influenced by the clothes of the American cowboy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.234.133 (talk) 06:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

2014 Subtopic and Confimation of Episode VII Appearance

A blog is used to cite an interview done on Fox News where a blogger from Latino Review claims that the character will appear in the upcoming film. I don't think that using one blog to cite another blog meets the Wiki rules for appropriate sources. There has been no press release from Disney or Lucasfilm, nor from Ford's handlers. George Lucas did say that a deal was close with the original cast members, but there has been no followup to this. Until this is confined from better sources I think the 2014 subtopic in this article should be removed entirely. Codymr (talk) 06:42, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Han Solo dies in "The Force Awakens"?!

I just discovered a compiled synopsis of Star Wars: The Force Awakens which is based on rumors, one of which is about the death of Han Solo. And here's a link about it: http://makingstarwars.net/2015/05/a-compiled-synopsis-of-star-wars-the-force-awakens/ Does Han Solo really die in the movie, or is it just pure speculation? AdamDeanHall (talk) 16:48, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Yup, proven true, I saw it at the midnight premiere in New Zealand. He is killed by Kylo Ren, who is revealed to be his son. I've edited the article to give a brief synopsis of his role in The Force Awakens, but it will certainly need some cleaning up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.213.0.203 (talk) 21:20, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

I have misgivings about this content being in the article. The film is still in current release and I don't think it appropriate to have a full plot description including such major plot points. I did insert a Spoiler warning but this was removed since it is currently Wikipedia policy not to use Spoiler alerts. Nevertheless, because this is a new release film, not yet seen by many, I don't think it is wise. Alastairdent (talk) 15:36, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

I am perpetually amused by people who when they looked up the history of a person/character they think it appropriate to complain because the history of that character had the audacity to include the history of that character. If you don't want to know what happens to Solo (or indeed anybody at all who has an article about them - real or not) don't read the article.

On a less flippant note - where do you draw the line? Do you just censor The Force Awakens information regarding Solo? If that's the case, what about removing the revelation that Vader is Skywalkers father? There are plenty of people out there who haven't seen any of the Star Wars films, and revealing that to them as they embark upon a Star Wars Marathon is pretty harsh?

Or what about removing the ending of pretty much every film that has ever been released - that all falls under the criteria of a spoiler. No, better to just accept that when reading a plot section of a film, or a character synposis - you're going to get from birth to death (or current status). Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:06, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2016

Han Solo is not a drug dealer he is a smuggler who has smuggled drugs but he is not a drug dealer.

86.178.96.58 (talk) 22:04, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Not done for now: IP editor is referring to the [[Category:Fictional_drug_dealers]]. Keeping this open as I would like to see consensus / discussion. --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 22:19, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

I would agree with the IP editor, he certainly is a smuggler, but that doesn't make him a "dealer" in my opinion, just as a drug mule wouldn't. Should probably also remove Chewbacca from that list. Cannolis (talk) 00:27, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Agreed - it's not even clearly established that he sells the drugs he has smuggled, but certainly in the case of the Kessel Run, he's shipping the drugs on behalf of Jabba and pretty much acting as a courier in each case. Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:44, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Done Removed category --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 13:42, 16 January 2016 (UTC)