Talk:Hồ dynasty

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According to the Vietnamese version of this article paper money was introduced in april 1396 under emperor Trần Thuận Tông (although Thuận Tông ruled only in name, at the time). In the English version it was introduced in 1399-1400. Who's right? David 12:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

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Không phải sử dụng ngôn ngữ của các bạn khi nói tiếng Anh là thể hiện sự yêu nước. Nó chỉ làm cho mọi thứ trở nên khó hiểu. After all, even Ho Chi Minh left off his diacritics when he wrote in English, as you can see here. As far as GBooks goes, I searched for post-1980 English-language books on this subject. Only 2 looked relevant for “Hồ dynasty." That's out of nearly 100 deghosted books for “Ho dynasty.” But I suspect that this is less about GBooks than about throwing as many non-English elements into articles as possible. Is Viet Nam News racist too? What about Tuoi Tre or Thanh Nien? Kauffner (talk) 16:26, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

• Those sources that don't include the diacritics (especially the news) are only a matter of convenience and fast typing.We're an encyclopedia, we're not here to spoon feed people with only facts they find easy to swallow.
• What about Baħar Iċ-Ċagħaq? Whereas Ic Caghaq is quite common as well.
• Why don't we follow VTR.ORG, Baomoi.com, and Gov.vn?
• Another case, in many Vietnamese-language sources spelled as "[1]", whereas vn,wiki put "vi:Radovan Karadžić" and yet nobody in that wiki cares about it.
• More in the case of Baghdad. Originally the article in vn,wiki spelled it "Baghdad". But thank to a comment about a correct Latinized form of the Arabic name, the article is now "vi:Bagdad. The reason that the article first spelled "Baghdad" was because likely 99% of Vietnamese sources are puppets/copycats of English-language sources. ༆ (talk) 20:38, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Other encyclopedias don't use Vietnamese diacritics either. See Britannica, Columbia, Encarta, or Encyclopedia of Modern Asia. It's not about faster typing; It's about making it easier for the readers. But why they drop the diacritics isn't the point. The purpose of a title is to tell readers what the subject is called in real world English. To the give the name in Vietnamese misleads readers as to what actual usage is. As for Baomoi and Gov.vn, both of those are outlets for VGP News. VGP stopped publishing diacritics at least six month ago, as you can see here. On VTR, some articles use diacritics, others don't. Not only that, but they still have "hot news" from 2011 on their home page. Kauffner (talk) 15:17, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Repeated disruptive moves

• (cur | prev) 02:28, 31 January 2013‎ Kauffner (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (417 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Kauffner moved page Talk:Hồ dynasty to Talk:Ho dynasty: Remove diacritics per English language sources) (undo)
• (cur | prev) 12:17, 2 February 2013‎ Kauffner (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (1,987 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Kauffner moved page Talk:Hồ dynasty to Talk:Ho dynasty over redirect: Explanation given on talk page) (undo)
• (cur | prev) 02:28, 17 February 2013‎ Kauffner (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (5,082 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Kauffner moved page Talk:Hồ dynasty to Talk:Ho dynasty over redirect: per talk) (undo)
  

Kauffner, this is evidently disruptive behaviour; when you have been reverted please don't keep doing the same edit. As you have been asked many times before, please respect RMs and RfC majority and give us a break from constantly removing Vietnamese spelling from WP:VN article titles. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:30, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Given that "use English" is policy and all, I am hoping we can finally move this to the correct title. After all there should be some consistency with the dynasty names. Kauffner (talk) 11:41, 13 March 2013 (UTC)