Talk:Greatest Hits – Chapter One (Kelly Clarkson album)

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On 7 May 2013, it was proposed that this article be moved to Greatest Hits - Chapter One (Kelly Clarkson album). The result of the discussion was page not moved.

UK Version

The UK version of the album doesn't include "I'll Be Home For Christmas". Can this be mentioned somewhere? As the International tracklisting is misleading otherwise. 92.236.248.114 (talk) 20:51, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Title

I've just noticed, is the album title, Greatest Hits: Chapter One or Greatest Hits – Chapter One? Is there a ranking of punctuation marks in article titles? Or is it a technical restriction in Wikipedia? Or a grammatical error? WP:NCM doesn't really provide a direct guideline for this. So as MOS:TITLE. I know colons (:) are used to separate titles from subtitles (e.g. Greatest Hits: My Prerogative), but aren't dashes (–) used for numbers (e.g. The Greatest Hits – Volume 1: 20 Good Vibrations)? Furthermore, I found out that retailers such as Amazon, iTunes, self-published sources such as The Official Kelly Clarkson site, and certifying organizations such as the Australian Recording Industry Association list the album as Greatest Hits – Chapter One. Chihciboy (talk) 06:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the album should have a dash, per WALL-E as an example. Unless multiple references start calling the album with the colon it should be moved, but in this case reliable references use a dash. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 23:57, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The title did once have a "–" but someone changed to a colon, stating "Per naming guidelines." I didn't question it at the time. Now I see that according to WP:Article titles#Special characters, "characters not found on most English-language keyboards" can be used but then a redirect should be provided. --Musdan77 (talk) 03:22, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have invited Status to join the discussion as he was the one who moved it to the title with a colon instead of a dash. A more detailed explanation than can be provided in an edit summary could resolve this discussion. James086 ^Talk 17:50, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the late reply; I have been busy. There seems to be a lot of conflicting sources here, Walmart uses Greatest Hits, Chapter One, Digital Spy, for example, uses Greatest Hits: Chapter One. The album cover itself uses Greatest Hits · Chapter One. Zach 17:23, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Colons are generally used to separate title and subtitles, while dashes are used to separate another subtitle, for example, The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn – Part 1. Zach 17:25, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page not moved. The punctuation on the album cover (a primary source) is ambiguous, and per WP:SUBTITLES the standard separator is a colon. Disambiguation is outside this RM's scope. Miniapolis 17:13, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Greatest Hits: Chapter One (Kelly Clarkson album) → Greatest Hits – Chapter One (Kelly Clarkson album) – Basically per the discussion above, as well as the references, as most of them use a dash (COMMONAME);[1][2][3][4][5][6] the dash is used in place of the bullet, like in WALL-E. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 01:00, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Per the discussion above re the Title, I learned that WP:TSC recommends that a redirect should be provided titles having characters unavailable on a standard keyboard, so it might meant that Greatest Hits – Chapter One is recommended to be redirected to Greatest Hits: Chapter One. Nevertheless, per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, I find that the primary topic of Greatest Hits: Chapter One (as evidenced in search engines, incoming wikilinks and article title statistics on the Clarkson album and Backstreet Boys album) is the Kelly Clarkson article, not the Backstreet Boys article. So I recommend moving Greatest Hits: Chapter One to the Clarkson album, and provide a hatnote linking to Chapter One or Greatest Hits: Chapter One (disambiguation). Chihciboy (talk) 06:07, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support for Chihciboy's solution. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC measurements are definitely going to be affected by WP:RECENTISM, but given that Greatest Hits: Chapter One was only an alternate title for the Backstreet Boys album, a hatnote would seem to be the best way to deal with this, per WP:TWODABS. --BDD (talk) 20:49, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The issue here is more advanced hyphen (–) vs. simple colon (:). The matter would not be number of references using either, but how Internet users type either. So far, only this hyphen (-) of all hyphens is available on your keyboards, but it still looks either plain or plain ugly as part of a title, unless Don't Trust the B---- in Apartment 23. How would more usage of hyphens help? --George Ho (talk) 17:44, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Hyphens are different from dashes (or en dashes, which is proposed by Tbhotch). But I get the point, I've seen titles where multiple hyphens are being substituted for en and em dashes. Chihciboy (talk) 08:19, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Legoktm (talk) 18:29, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Greatest Hits: Chapter One (Kelly Clarkson album) → Greatest Hits: Chapter One – Even though it may be affected by WP:RECENTISM, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC measurements such as search engines, incoming wikilinks and article title statistics on the Clarkson album and the Backstreet Boys album currently leans on the Clarkson album article. And given that Greatest Hits: Chapter One was only an alternative title for the Backstreet Boys album, which was originally titled (and more commonly known) as The Hits: Chapter One in its country of original release, I am placing a requested move for the Clarkson album to be moved to the Greatest Hits: Chapter One article, and provide a hatnote linking to Chapter One or The Hits: Chapter One, per WP:TWODABS. (Similar to Game of Thrones (video game) and Game of Thrones) Chihciboy (talk) 05:50, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There is no primary, although it is only a redirect Greatest Hits: Chapter One (Backstreet Boys album) was the title of the better known album outside USA, and is the clear primary in print sources. [and seriously what were both record companies thinking?] In ictu oculi (talk) 14:50, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned references in Greatest Hits – Chapter One (Kelly Clarkson album)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Greatest Hits – Chapter One (Kelly Clarkson album)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "US sales":

From Wrapped in Red: Bjorke, Matt (November 26, 2014). "Country Album Chart Report For November 26, 2014". Roughstock. sales figure given here
From Kelly Clarkson discography: US sales figures for all albums and extended plays: Trust, Gary (September 10, 2017). "Ask Billboard: Kelly Clarkson's Career Sales & 'Wild Thoughts' About Rihanna". Billboard. Prometheus Global Media. Retrieved September 10, 2017.
- Piece by Piece Remixed: Murray, Gordon (April 27, 2015). "Kelly Clarkson & RuPaul Work Their Way Onto Top Dance/Electronic Albums". Billboard. Prometheus Global Media. Retrieved April 27, 2015.
From Already Gone (Kelly Clarkson song): "Adam Lambert stays on top, Kellie Pickler tops a million". USA Today. April 21, 2010. Retrieved April 21, 2010.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 23:36, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]