Talk:Grand Theft Auto III/Archive 1

Graphic content

It was criticized for its "graphic content"? What about its plot and theme: car theft?

Isn't it considered, um, "bad" to assault people and steal cars? --Uncle Ed 19:34, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Seemingly. I added some notes on this. Thanks. Tempshill 21:38, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Actually, the story isn't just car theft, though it is a major element of the gameplay. Rather, the story is that your partner in a bank robbery shot you and left you for dead and you want revenge. Not so sure that really helps the game's case on a moral level though.....

Iamthecheese 00:32, Dec 3, 2003 (UTC)

I think 'graphic content' means the graphic nature of the content (plot), not the nature of the visual graphics. Grunners 10:20, 17 May 2004 (UTC)

Character name

Claude Speed Appeared in Grand theft Auto 2 under the same name. His name is revealed in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas within one of the many phonecalls the jealous Catalina makes to CJ.

His name was often thought to be Fido, this was dissproven when Maria, who originally called him this, also called Toni Cipriani by the same name. Merely a pet name. Excuse the pun!

His name was revealed to be Claude, not Claude Speed.

How so? Who ever said she wasn't cheating on him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.66.81.164 (talk • contribs)

El Diablos

The Diablos are a fictional Hispanic gang in the video game Grand Theft Auto 3. Their leader is El Burro, a boss that is only contacted through a telephone in Hepburn Hieghts. Not a lot to make a single entry out of. Could you guys round up the gangs from the game and mentioning them here, leaving redirects from articles like [El Diablos]]? [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|^(talk)]] 11:42, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

Wal-Mart and M-rated games

Does anyone have a cite on GTA3 being the catalyst for Wal-Mart checking IDs? As far as I know, most video game retailers enforce the (voluntary) ESRB rating system, including carding those purchasing M-rated games. In any event Wal-Mart certainly isn't unique in their policy. --Tubedogg 01:00, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

characters?

would someone mind writing a list of characters? or maybe create a page: List of characters in Grand Theft Auto 3 or something along those lines? If noone else, I guess I will. thanks (in advance), mysekurity 23:36, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The GTAIII characters appear in many of the other games, so maybe you should just make a core page for characters in all the games? Oh and personally I think "List of" is obselete, which is why you'll find my lists are named like The Legend of Zelda series characters.

But the name isn't the main thing, it's that info will end up being cross-posted between the various games' lists, so you could maybe make a unified one first. Then when (and if) it gets too long you can break a game out of it into its own page. Master Thief Garrett^Talk 00:33, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Interesting idea. I'm not sure I have the knowledge to do this kind of page (maybe I'll ask for some help), and finals are this week, so it might take me some time to get to it. Thanks for the suggestion tho. If you want to start said page, I will be glad to contribute to it with everything I know. mysekurity 01:41, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

3? Why not III?

The name of this page has always puzzled me. On the cover, ingame, in the manual, heck, the PC's default install directory too, they all say III. About the only official thing with a 3 is Rockstar's official website's URL, but when you actually visit it shows IIIs as usual. So why is the page at this "wrong" spelling? Any ideas? Master Thief Garrett^Talk 01:04, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

interesting point, there. I guess it could be moved (and frankly, i think the name is too long and complex to spell out. how about GTA 3 soundtrack or GTA III soundtrack? and same for Grand Theft Auto: Vice City soundtrack—a mouthful! I'm guessing it should be changed to GTA:VC soundtrack? or maybe Vice City sountrack?? Oh well. Id be more than happy to change the links to the GTA III pages, or Vice, but I guess I'll post something on that talk page. Oh, and thanks for de-bolding the stations, and the text, etc. Thanks mucho, mysekurity 01:38, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Second your suggestion, though it always puzzles me why Rockstar would use a III instead of a 3 in the title, since it wasn't the case with GTA2. An article move is certainly advisable. ╬╬ 25 ^{chatter ↔ grafitti} 30 June 2005 11:32 (UTC) ╬╬

I think it's because GTA2 was a very modern and gritty game while GTA III was about working for the Mafia who were all refined and classical and whatnot. That, or they didn't want to draw a "III" in the newly-designed GTA font. Master Thief Garrett^Talk 1 July 2005 23:04 (UTC)

GTA III – vol. 1, 2 and 3

well, GTA III (Liberty City), Vice City and San Andreas are – as said on many fan pages (and also has been said/assumed before the release of VC) – a trilogy, which brought the cities of the original 2D-GTA to 3D... so you can say GTA III is volume 1, VC is volume 2 and SanAn is volume 3 of the third installment.
I changed the category listings to 3.1, 3.2 and 3.3 to have the correct release order instead of alphabetical one (III, SanAn, VC).
the (unofficial) announcement that the next part of GTA will be the (real) fourth one supports this.
if it's not desired, it's okay, but I think it's better this way.
(today I'm very confused 'bout writing in Englisch, sorry.) –jello ¿? July 4, 2005 19:34 (UTC)

Ahhhhh, yes I did wonder about that fact... after changing it back that is! :) No that sounds fine, and certainly arrangng in order makes sense. So, um, yeah, you can fix that again, that's fine. And your English is fine too! I wish my Latin was that good... Master Thief Garrett^Talk 5 July 2005 04:04 (UTC)

At the moment, the new GTA is called GTA 4, so GTA III would consist of the parts Liberty City, Vice City and San Andreas, making GTA III a trilogy. If not done already, this should be clearly stated. -Redmess

Commercial Voices

Do we know who has spoken which commercial? Aeris Running Shoes: Sean R. Lynch| Fernando's New Beginnings: Frank Chavez| Pogo the Monkey: Maria Chambers| Liberty City Surivor: Jeff Berlin| House of Tomorrow (third guy): Jonathan Hanst.

Shelley Miller - maibatsu monstrosity

lazlow - house of tomorrow --TBH 20:44, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Darkel

Darkel was a a hobo terrorist who gave missions involving killing authority figures. it's rumored that he was removed because there was a mission where the player had to hijack a plane that involved killing donald love. he is certainly worth a mention in the controversy section. --TBH 13:40, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Turismo Mission

I don't really think it warrants a mention in the main article, but just for information's sake, it is an incredible help to use the Police Cruiser in the Turismo Mission. Once the other drivers crash into a wall and/or each other, just calmly get ahead of them and the siren will make sure no other cars blindside you, and the Police Cruiser is fast and quick enough to keep up with the Cheetahs when they turn if not in straightaways. Karmafist 00:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

f'n the b-tchs

the article talks about implied sex with a prostitute. the implication comes from she gets in your car and you park in a dark alley and the car bounces around and then she gets out and your money goes down. it could be noted that if you press the button on the PS2 controller to switch the view to the side of the car you can see both the main character and the prostitute sitting in the car the same as they do when driving the car. i tried changing the camera angle hoping there would be animated fucking but I was greatly disappointed.

I think this comment lacks scholarly tone. If you want "animated fucking," please buyGTA:SA and get the "Hot Coffee" mod like every other pr0n phreak.

PC boxart

OK, I found out that there is an additional boxart for the PC version, and a user has initially replaced the PlayStation 2 infobox image with the aforementioned boxart. As both boxart images are different with each other, it seems fitting to display both in the article, but the PC boxart is better suited for the section dedicated to the Xbox and PC ports. So, the boxart replacement has been reverted and the PC boxart has been moved into the PC/Xbox ports and handheld remakes section. ╫ 25 ^ring-a-ding 12:04, 13 December 2005 (UTC) ╫

Dear anon user, your unexplained decision to completely replace the PS2 boxart with the PC boxart may be considered unconstructive editing (see also justification above). Please present a justification for your changes if you any objections towards my edits. Otherwise, your edits will be reverted again. Thank you. ╫ 25 ^ring-a-ding 09:37, 20 December 2005 (UTC) ╫

I should note the PAL PlayStation 2 version of GTA III uses the alternative cover art (Amazon link for non-Platinum version). From the looks of things the PC version uses it as well (at least in the UK), but the current boxart in the article (Amazon link, in case pic in article is changed) looks like some sort of mockup based on the PS2 cover. Notabley there's a PlayStation 2 [PAL] label, and the PC bar across the top isn't right, it doesn't match the normal style for PC games in the UK. GAME and Gamestation have what looks like the correct UK PC cover. I don't have the PC version to confirm this however. FredOrAlive 14:53, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

In this case, the boxart (for both the PC or PS2 versions) may very well be a United Kingdom version of the cover box, as opposed to a PC-only version. Obviously, the PAL format mentioned on the covers is adopted in the UK. Also, interestingly, with the exception of several such boxarts with an ESRB Rating Pending (RP) tag [1][2], all of these boxarts feature a BBFC rating tag, as opposed to an ESRB tag on the other version (US release).

On a side note, there is also an Australian-only version sporting another boxart design (note an OFLC tag) that is just as different as the other two. ╫ 25 ^ring-a-ding 18:28, 25 December 2005 (UTC) ╫

For even more cover fun, it seems the Germans had yet another cover variant (and name variant, as it seems to just be "GTA III"). At this rate you'd need a gallery like the Final Fantasy articles to show every cover variation. Also checking on Amazon.fr I can't find any entry for a French version, just an imported UK version, so the UK art may indeed be (officially) a UK specific cover.

Redirection

How does St. Marks redirect to GTA3?

It's not suppose to. If the name is also not asummed by other subjects, redirect the page to Liberty City; it is a location of the city after all. Otherwise, I'm for turning the page into a disambiguation page instead. ╫ 25 ^ring-a-ding 12:36, 16 December 2005 (UTC) ╫

St. Mark's is known in the game as a neighborhood of the Liberty City. Turns out there is a St. Mark's disambiguation page, so St. Marks will simply be redirected St. Mark's. Thanks for mentioning. ╫ 25 ^ring-a-ding 15:41, 16 December 2005 (UTC) ╫

Driving around in a car while firing at other drivers

There's a very interesting feature in GTAIII that has been sadly removed in GTAVC and it is this:

While playing the game, as you roam around the city in your stolen or carjacked vehicle, if you fire at another vehicle any weapon you have, the driver of the other vehicle panics and floors his gas pedal. Driving as he does, like a bat out of hell, if you follow him in your own car (preferably a Dodge Viper because it goes really fast, known in the game as Banshee), you'll watch him run over pedestrians and such, not even sparing Police officers, even smashing his car into other cars and trucks on the road. It's really too much fun for words to describe.

I use this feature constantly in GTAIII to have some fun with the drivers. It's actually more entertaining than doing the missions of the game.

There's no mention of this feature of GTAIII in this article.

In GTAVC, on the other hand, if you fire at a car, the driver simply jumps out flailing his arms in panic and abandons his vehicle. Sometimes, he commits suicide by jumping in the water.

I don't see how this is relevant or notable of mention. It's like explaining in the soccer ball article how a basketball is not as good as a soccer ball for kicking. Even then, something like this should be mentioned in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, not here. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 14:40, 2 January 2006 (UTC) ╫

Even more fun, is to stand on top of the car and shoot it, and surf the car. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 136.148.14.250 (talk • contribs) 18:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

This comment is not useful. Does it help us improve any writeup of this game? ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 07:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC) ╫

Francis International Airport

I added a link to a Francis International Airport teaser site which was not on your list —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.76.23.54 (talk • contribs) .

I've put in more, but there is a need to categorize them. Some of these sites were only discovered when exploring the official GTA III site. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 16:09, 12 January 2006 (UTC) ╫

I came back to say if the link had been dleted. Glad it hasn't. I noticed that none of the links in this section worked. When you categorized it you did not use www.rockstargames.com/grandtheftauto3/flash/......., you used www.grandtheftauto3.com which made the links not work. I fixed the links and deleted the Pogo the Monkey one, the link didnot work and I could not find it under www.rockstargames.com/grandtheftauto3/flash/. The ones like Dormatron were actually under rockstars site. These sites originally were under other sites (www.sleepofflard.com) but these do not work.

Hope I explained it.

Oh and if you want to re-add the Pogo The Monkey one here it is:

• Pogo The Monkey, another teaser site as heard on a humorous radio advert about a fictional video game, featuring a monkey named Pogo who has many goals and adventures.

-Argh, someone changed it back to the old version, back to before I added Francis International. Ill re-add them and the ones you added.

I changed the URL again, but please don't add too many links. This is not a portal. RexNL 23:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

-Sorry to be a pain but i didn't add any. I only changed them to the right URL. they were already there. And now the links have been put back to the wrong ones.

-Changed the links to the RIGHT ones. Please do not change back. Found Pogothemonkey site under www.rockstargames.com/grandtheftauto3/flash/pogo but nothing is on it so I deleted Pogo the monkey from the list.

-Corrected a spelling mistake and added the same only available through a pop up window to the dormatron one.

Logo design

I've written a bit on the design of the logo and its brief history. It still lacks information on the developer's POV regarding the logo design, but here's what has been done:

“ As is previous GTA games, GTA III introduced a different logo design. However, the core logo design would continued to be featured in all following titles, including the upcoming GTA IV.

The logo is essentially a stylized "Grand Theft Auto III" text with a Pricedown-like typeface, bearing striking similarity to the typeface used in the The Price Is Right's game show logo. The GTA III logo consists of three lines, each designated for the "Grand", "Theft", and "Auto" text; the game's series numeral is placed at the third line, spaced from the "Auto" text. All wordings in the logo are white and are outlined in black, although a color-inversed version may also be seen in parts of the game. For the German release, the logo is represented only by one line consisting of the initials of the game ("GTAIII"), in which the "GTA" letters are black, "III" are red, and are outlined in white; this logo design also appears in all English releases.

A distinctive characteristic of the logo was the position of the first two words; they were arrange in such a way that the hook of the "R" in "Grand" would link to the top of "h" in "Theft", essentially positioning "Theft" with an indent further to the right then "Grand". This also helped addressed the problem of space allocation for the aforementioned letters, and compacted the vertical spaces between the lines. The "Auto" text was positioned further to the left for the series numeral.

The logo also introduced the use of a Roman numeral for its series numbering by including "III" instead of the European numeral of "3". This is a departure from GTA2, which used the latter for its logo.

Rockstar had included a previous official design which was significantly different than the current version. The letters were apparently created using stencil spray painting on a black background, with the "Grand Theft Auto" text in white and the numeral "3" in orange.

”

Feel free to provide any needed comments or corrections, because it still doesn't look as well written as I would expect. It also lacks some sources, which are still with me. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 11:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC) ╫

Neutral?

I'm not entirely sure the Controversy section is neutral. Specifically:

“ Several minors arrested for car theft in the United States claimed their motivation was derived from playing the game, but it could be considered highly likely that they were simply sociopathic troublemakers attempting to get themselves off the hook by claiming their responsibility was diminished. The fact that thousands or even millions of other people have played this game and not committed a crime would lend particular credence to this persective, arguably ”

Am I looking too into this or does the bold text skew the neutrality of the section? Goofyman 05:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

The bolded text was added as a separate entry, but I haven't found a creditable source to back the passages' claim up. Alternatively, the addition could be based off personal opinion, may not be encyclopedic and should be removed. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 14:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC) ╫

The first part of the quoted text is at least true, insofar as it is something that someone has said (never mind whether it's actually true). By contrast, the bold text sounds very POV - there's no source to back it up, and simply saying that because 99.9% of players don't commit crime that "proves" the minors are lying isn't good logic. I'd be surprised if any attempt has been made to establish its veracity. Remove it I reckon (though the point about people citing the game GTA in real cases of GTA should stay - assuming it's a fact). --Plumbago 14:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Trimming this sucker down

Obviously, the article is now exceeding the recommended article size, having pass the 50kb mark a while ago. If this article is to be featured article, we have to start considering what to discard and what to keep. Here are a few ideas on how to bring down the article's size:

1. As outlined in the to do list, there is way too much info on gameplay. What can be done is removing features that remain unchanged, while retaining major and perhaps some minor changes. Both the Grand Theft Auto and Grand Theft Auto 2 should provide the needed information on unchanged aspects of the game (after all, the gameplay mechanics of GTA III is heavily derivative of previous titles).
2. Removing trivial information. Most of this can be found in both the gameplay and graphics sections, which at times explain certain features in too much unneeded detail.
3. Focus on new features and console-PC differences. One could focus on discussing the method of storyline narration, graphics (already covered) and improvements. Having played both the PS2 and PC versions, there are also a few additional differences that could be noted (most notably how the game deals with loading saved games/starting a new game, and other control elements).

Any more suggestions? ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 15:55, 9 June 2006 (UTC) ╫

Criticism

The Criticism section here is ridiculous.

It is completely biased and filled with [citation needed]'s to prove it. Would anyone object to just deleting that entire section? The controversy section is really the only history it needs. Not the biased rants about minor visual infractions that even I, after spending several hundred hours with the game, have never noticed to be anything worth mentioning. All games have minor glitches, that doesen't need to be openly criticized in a main article.

Low replay value? Anyone having played the game would agree that the game has some of the most incredible lasting appeal for any game ever created. IGN gave it a 10 in Lasting Appeal, and stated "Tons and tons and tons of it. This game is easily a 70-80 hour game." Gamespot gave it a 10 in the same cateogry as well.. In fact, any glitch/exploits are probably only due to the fact that the game has so much replay value to notice such thing.

So would anyone else agree to getting rid of that whole section?

I would prefer that such criticisms be merged into the "Market performance and critical acclaim" section, and written in the form of only one or two sentences. From what I have been reading, there have been some minor issues by a few review sites regarding performance and graphics (at least for the PS2 version) (IGN mentioned the game suffering from "pop-in and texture clipping," but the gameplay and music makes up for it [3]; Eurogamer described the graphics of the game being "generally pleasant to look at and have their own charm, even if they aren't up to the standards of a Gran Turismo 3 or ICO" [4]), so it is worth noting from a minor scale. Deleting the entire section and leaving the "Market performance and critical acclaim" section to provide information on the game's reception is not what I considered to be NPOV, due largely to its slant towards the game's praise. On that note, the "Market performance and critical acclaim" section should also be renamed to "Market performance and reception" if the Criticism section is to be removed. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 18:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC) ╫

The section has now been reintroduced (unexplained) twice in the past week (the first returns the entire criticism section, the second attempt now integrates a portion of the criticism into the reception section, which only appears to confuse readers by implying that reviews specifically noted these problems (when it has yet to be proven). This borders POV pushing. To the user who has been re-adding this passage, please participate in this discussion to voice your justification or opinion.

Note: The criticism section was initially added on 16:46, 14 July 2005 (UTC) by anon user 66.38.206.147 without any substantial evidence to back up these claims.

╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 12:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC) ╫

Box art

I've changed the original box art of the game to the standard one in the info box and have placed the US version into a smaller section down the page. This is because GTA3 is a British game and I feel the British box art should be featured. If you disagree, please say! --Jiei 17:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think this holds up. It's not like we use the Quebois French covers for the Prince of Persia games. Ace of Sevens 17:33, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Not the same as that's a language issue, not an origin issue. Why should the American cover be used in this article? There is no valid reason for the American version to be used. --Jiei 17:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

It's the best-selling version and it's in the style used for all the other games. Ace of Sevens 18:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

As far as articles like Katamari Damacy and Final Fantasy X are concerned (both with multiple localized covers arts and Japan-first releases), US cover arts usually come first in the lead infobox. Seems reasonable to do the same here. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 09:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC) ╫

Wanted Cop Levels

I need someone to know these Wanted Cop Levels. Can anyone know that? Best Gamer 27 July 2006

What are you talking about? Ace of Sevens 17:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I am talking about the Cop levels. You know, such as the FBI Cars, helicopters, Enforcers, Tanks, and so on. Best Gamer 27 July 2006

Yeah, but what's the question? Ace of Sevens 17:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Uh, ok. Here is the list of Wanted Cop Levels:

• Cop Level 1: A police chases you, but won't ram you.
• Cop Level 2: The level 2 cop will remain, deploys more Police cruisers unless if you find a spray shop, or a police bribe.
• Cop Level 3: Deploys a helicopter. It can be appeared in North, South, East or West. It will continue to go after you until you grab a Cop Bribe in order to let the helicopter leave on full speed.
• Cop Level 4: Deploys Enforcer units, releasing more powerful SWAT Teams, also, the helicopter gets aggresive and shoots at the player continuosly.
• Cop Level 5: Deploys FBI Cars, with FBI cops, carrying an AK-47, pistols, and adds 1 more helicopter, making it 2 helicopters (which means double trouble).
• Cop Level 6: The strongest and the hardest Cop Level. Will send armies, Tanks, Barracks OLs and helicopters will shoot immidieatetly. Armies can carry an MI6, a Grenade, and a Pistol.

Those are the Cop Levels I find in the in-game world, Ace Of Seven. Best Gamer 27 July 2006

So, to answer your question, yes, apparently someone can know that. Ace of Sevens 03:40, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

But it seems too detailed. The current peer review dismisses both the radio station and weapon lists as cruft, and I don't think this list merits inclusion in this article for the same reason. Perhaps adding this in Wikia instead is more appropriate? ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 09:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC) ╫

Mr. Whoopee car

Mr. Whoopee automobile sometimes appear in this city, but I need someone to tell me that Mr. Whoopee does not appear in this city and it sometimes appear on the streets. Best Gamer 31 July 2006

Mr. Whopee automobile does not appear in this city. Sometimes, it appears on the streets. Ace of Sevens 23:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Although the problem with the Mr. Whoopee automobile is that once you "borrow" the Mr. Whoopee car, you can't listen to radio stations, and you won't get extra money for selling ice-cream. By the looks from the front bumper, Ace Of Sevens, it sorta freaks me out as if the front bumper was made from Sweettooth from Twisted Metal. Best Gamer 2 August 2006

The Dodo Plane

I think there is something wrong with the flying vehicle. The Dodo is incapable of flying airborne completely. The plane can only hover, then land on the ground, and it won't reach more altitude. Best Gamer 5 August 2005

That's how it's supposed to work. Ace of Sevens 19:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you can fly it. There's even a guide on GameFAQs.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.66.81.164 (talk • contribs)

The Boats

The boats is a vehicle as well, except it has lacking radio stations, as well as the glitch called: "The Window Glitch". Best Gamer 6 August 2006

Hidden BF Injection car

What is the difference between the GTA 3 version of the BF Injection and the Vice City version of GTA: Vice City? Best gamer 6 August 2006

Weird about something

I have heard a guy said like this: "Lazlow, I just want to make your viewers aware that" and Lazlow said: "We don't have viewers, we have listeners.", but then he said viewers again. ZS, why did'nt Lazlow cut off someone's phone line that he said viewers again?? Best Gamer 1 September 2006

I have absolutely no idea. This should be something Lazlow or the audio department in Rockstar should know, not me. Btw, is this discussion really going anywhere? ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 06:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC) ╫

No idea how. It looks like Rockstar forgot that Lazlow should cut off the phone line for saying viewers again. Best Gamer 10 September 2006

Easter eggs

Where are they? Here is a parallel to another Rockstar game, Max Payne 2:

Mona Sax refers to Vladimir as "nothing but a one armed bandit," the nickname of Phil Cassidy.

Most good articles do not include a section on Easter eggs unless they garnered publicity (see SimCopter), are integral to the game (see Grand Theft Auto: Vice City), or have been included in large numbers (Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas). ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 14:10, 14 January 2006 (UTC) ╫

Auto-aiming with a Gamepad in the PC Version

The article erroneously states that Auto-aiming was removed in the PC version do to the fact that the mouse is used for aiming, but it is in fact still in the game. A player using a gamepad can still auto-aim. 71.226.17.185 10:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Corrected. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 20:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC) ╫

Hidden Gang Member

I have found the only hidden gang member which the I can call it "Pimp Gamgs". They wear purple outfits with purple hats, but they have no gang cars, so this is the only hidden gang member I find. Best Gamer 24 Septermber 2006

How are they gang members? They don't even carry weapons. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.66.81.164 (talk • contribs) 06:30, 25 November 2006 (UTC).

You call them a gang? There are duplicates of them just as their is that girl with the bandana and that fatass with the red hair. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.72.214.57 (talk • contribs) 03:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC).

Vehicle's handling, durability and speed

Can anyone put up the List Of Grand Theft Auto Vehicles' handlings, speeds and durabilities? Best Gamer 6 October 2006

This isn't recommended. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information; it specifically states that instruction manuals or game guides are not permitted in Wikipedia, and we're already treading the line just with a List of vehicles in Grand Theft Auto series. Even if this is added, odds are it would be removed at some point of the future by another editor, with the same reason. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 11:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

So it only resembles real-life vehicle names instead of their handlings, speed and durability? Best Gamer 17:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe, but what is this question trying to raise? ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 17:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

Like the Esperanto car, it has terrible handling and brakings. The Landstalker's suspension gets bouncy. The Manana has average speed, handing and durability. The Rhino tank has very strong durability and handligs. The only thing worse it's the Rhino's speed. Those are my examples. Best Gamer Professional Gamer 17:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC) 11 October 2006

This could be easily summed up in a simple sentence, or not mentioned at all. The reason being GTA III isn't the first game in the series (or the video game industry for that matter) to implement varied performances traits in vehicles (this was already introduced in the first GTA, as far as the series is concerned), so there is just no need to mention this here if it's not a notable first in a video game or a series. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 20:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

Although I did find this site where they can say the car's handling, speed and durablilty. In here, it can only show that resembles real vehicles, but in the other site, I founded out that in this site, it can show the condition of the cars. Professional Gamer 17 October 2006

Could you clarify what "condition of the cars" refers to? I'm pretty confused. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 18:21, 17 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

It's on this site: [[5]]. You'll see the planet GTA here and you can find the automobiles in this site. Professional Gamer 17 October 2006

It's http://planetgrandtheftauto.gamespy.com/ by the way. However, the vehicle descriptions mentioned in PlanetGTA is no different to the aforementioned information related specifically to gameplay. I'm still unconvinced that we should mention details about vehicles, and I don't see where your argument is going in regards to improving the Grand Theft Auto III article (or List of vehicles in Grand Theft Auto series for that matter). Note also that Wikipedia is not a video gaming website; minor information like game guides are typically not significant to be included. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 15:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

By the way, you can sign your name by typing four tildes ("~~~~"). It helps other editors track user interaction easily. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 15:41, 18 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

All right. Sorry for the confusion I caused you. Thanks anyway. Professional Gamer 17:49, 18 October 2006

It's alright. Sorry about my tone, though. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 18:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

El Burro

El Burro is in GTA 1 but he is in San Andreas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SCB '92 (talk • contribs)

Well, it's pretty much proven that he has appeared in GTA1, during the sixth and final cut scene in the game (which takes place in the city of San Andreas), and this appearance has been mentioned briefly in List of characters in Grand Theft Auto III#El Burro. But aside that, is there anything else that this topic is trying to bring up? ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 15:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

Strategy guide

In Everything Bad is Good for You, it's asserted that the official GTA III strategy guide sold 1.6 million copies, yet there's no mention of it anywhere in the article. I don't think this article can be considered "comprehensive" until there's at least a small paragraph about the Prima guide. -- Kicking222 18:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Maurice is a Reference to Jokar

I think that the "Love Doctor" Maurice from Chatterbox is a reference to the Steve Miller band song Joker. I was listening to it and it sounded as the good doctor was built up around this character. I was just wondering what anyone else thought. --Bass Masta 05:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

theres soomething wrong with the reference tags

theres soomething wrong with the reference tags and I don't know ho to fix it. Bawolff 07:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Inspiration for GTA III

Don't know about Body Harvest, but Urban Chaos on the PS1 always struck me as being very similar to GTA III (limitations of the PS1 compared to PS2 not withstanding). Optimus Sledge 00:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Please Do Not Walk on The Grass

Can someone tell me what does please do not walk on the grass have anything to do with Grand Theft Auto III because every where i go on the internete i always see please do not walk on the grassMngincali05 11:08

It may simply be the slogan of the gta3.com fansite. ╫ ２５ ^{◀RingADing▶} 16:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC) ╫

I can't be too sure, but as far as I can remember, isn't there a sign saying 'Please do not walk on the grass' during the many images shown when GTAIII is loading (PS2 version)?

Halen061088 15:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Pricedown

Should it be noted somewhere that the font used in the game's title is "Pricedown", the font used for The Price Is Right? 209.103.228.147 03:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

No. Even if verifiable, this information is irrelevant. Eganio^Talk 09:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Ports dates

The article states: "Two years following the initial PlayStation 2 release of Grand Theft Auto III, versions for the Microsoft Windows and Xbox had been made available." But there is only a gap of 7 months (8 max.) between the PS2 and the Windows version. I think that that sentence is at least confusing and should be rewritten, I would do it myself but my English is no good ;_;

--Esquizoide (talk) 04:24, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I recall there being little to no delay. In fact I'm not certain the PC version wasn't released FIRST.

-The Technodrome —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.143.77.252 (talk • contribs)

Why where bikes banned?

Why where bikes banned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Worldaz (talk • contribs) 08:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Can somebody please tell me why bikes were banned?

Reason: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Australiaaz (talk • contribs) 05:58, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Bikes werent banned, apparently there were some problems at the late stages of making the game so they were overhauled --Casket56 (talk) 07:59, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

RFC:Disputed material

Yesterday, at about 04:01, 25 November 2008, ip address 24.175.240.210 added a potentially irrelevant segment to a sentece in Cuts, changes, and the 9/11 effect. This was immediately reverted by Sephiroth BCR, and was reverted by the ip again. I came and reverted it, and the IP reverted it back again. the IP address has violated the three revert rule, and I would like to reach consensus ASAP.

If no one comments to the contrary, I will revert the changes in 24 hours. PwnerELITE (talk) 03:46, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Support removal. It's nonnecessary information bordering on the crufty/gameguidey. There are cheat codes for everything imaginable. --Izno (talk) 23:22, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I'm taking action to remove it. PwnerELITE (talk) 07:02, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Does the game work on Vista?

Does it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.115.127 (talk) 18:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Please reference a gaming site. This is not the place for discussing logistics. Eganio^Talk 09:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Ask on the reference desk.--Phoenix-wiki 19:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

The game does work on Vista, at least for me (77.101.118.119 (talk) 03:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC))

Microsoft?

Any particular reason almost every mention of Windows is listed as "Microsoft Windows?" You don't see it saying "Sony Playstation 2" a million times, and it makes for a very uncomfortable read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.228.16.42 (talk) 23:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

To avoid confusing people who are unfamiliar with personal computers, or have limited knowledge of them? Most people know what a playstation is, but it is possible to confuse "Windows" with something else (77.101.118.119 (talk) 03:57, 19 March 2009 (UTC))

"...is possible to confuse "Windows" with something else" like what? 68.228.. has a good point. Astronaut (talk) 00:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, for a start, windows. Julianhall (talk) 14:29, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Only a complete idiot would make that kind of confusion! I think it would be sufficient to mention "Microsoft Windows" once, and thereafter refer to "Windows" (with a capital "W" and no link). Astronaut (talk) 18:05, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Well yeah. The capital "W" should be sufficient after the initial "Microsoft Windows". Julianhall (talk) 18:41, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

first 3D?

The article states that GTA3 is the first 3D title in the series. If I'm not mistaken, GTA2 was 3D. It was a top-down view point, but the buildings and vehicles were built on 3D models. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.70.142.184 (talk) 15:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Mind you, GTA1 shares the same game engine as GTA2's, so GTA1 technically is the first 3D GTA game. But both games are largely two-dimensional in movement, so I'm unsure how to clarify this. - 60.50.246.125 (talk) 15:11, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Merging List of characters in Grand Theft Auto III

There is no need for the list to exist. It is simply full of fluff and unnecessary plot details that need to be cut down. All of the characters can easily be summed up between the character and plot sections. Characters that have a role all throughout the story can receive basic descriptions within the character section, while characters only related to the plot can simply be mentioned within the plot section. TTN (talk) 21:29, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Purple Nines Bug/Glitch

Anyone else think that Purple Nines Bug is significant enough to list on the Wikipedia page regarding GTA3? I personally would have benefitted greatly from knowing about the bug before I got hit with it. I finished GTA3 and started a new game in order to try to get 100% completion. Nothing more frustrating than getting almost completely done with the game only to discover than getting 100% finished became impossible. Without the wikipedia entry, people are very unlikely to find out about this bug until AFTER it happens to them. I'd like to try to resolve some of that and make it more apparent to people BEFORE they play. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.167.245.194 (talk) 19:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a gaming tutorial or a hack guide. The information is relatively insignificant compared to the other content in the article. Remove section. Netalarmtalk 19:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

No, it is not significant enough for inclusion here. There are plenty of other GTA III sites on the Internet for this stuff. This encyclopedia isn't one of them. ArcAngel (talk) 19:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Yet you think the inclusion of the cheats etc... under the Notes section is significant enough to stay in the article? I agree its hard to draw the line, but I think major problems with games that prevent completion are significant enough to be added to ANY wikipedia page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.167.237.227 (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing attention to that, it has now been removed. ArcAngel (talk) 20:06, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

The mention of clipping etc in the reception section has been removed, because it's not sourced. If it was mentioned in a review, and sourced, then it could be included. Same for this glitch. If you can find a reliable source mentioning it, that's the first step. Geoff B (talk) 22:44, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Some Idiot Put False Information In The Weapons Section

I would like to clarify that there is no grenade launcher in III. A grenade launcher was featured in the beta version of Vice City, but it was later removed from the final version. 203.161.84.114 (talk) 12:59, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Court Case Outcome

I've only managed to find one piece of documentation in regards to the outcome of the suit which was filed. However, I was wondering if there was a more up-to-date or another source to confirm the sentence I added under Controversy. If anybody sees flaws in it, or finds another source to verify/confirm, or disprove, feel free to replace it.

http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/OPINIONS/TCA/PDF/092/MetroPropertyOPN.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sephyboy (talk • contribs) 05:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Name of the protagonist

It is WP:INUNIVERSE to refer to the protagonist as Claude. This article is concerned with the context in which the game presented itself. At the time of the game's release, the protagonist was nameless. It is anachronistic to say that the game features a character called Claude. This facet was part of a different work. The article should reflect this by calling the character "the protagonist". ArtistScientist (talk) 09:22, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Bump. I see what you're pointing out but remember that the name Claude actually exists internally within the programming of GTA III. 85.247.148.219 (talk) 07:45, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Real GTA III Mode

Many have experienced to play this mode that is really nice as it doesn't interfere into the plot and missions, but improves graphics in GTA III and cars, so does it deserve to be mentioned in the article? My first GTA game was this mode, I like it so much. What do you think, guys? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.104.145.242 (talk) 10:40, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Story and Weapons sections

I can see there are pictures supposed to be in those two sections but I think they're either corrupt or something else. Regardless they need to be tended to. --Matt723star (talk) 15:47, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Rewrite from scratch

I've been wanting to give this one a rewrite worthy of its subject matter for some time now, but I wouldn't choose to invest the time if I had to deal with British English conventions. Would anyone object to a new version in American English if I were to rewrite the whole thing from scratch? There is no case of strong national ties to this topic, and if there was, I think it'd swing American anyway (set in NYC, parody of American culture, released first in NA, etc.) Anyway, open offer, but I don't want to waste my time. czar ⨹ 02:00, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

British English isn't a problem, and really shouldn't be a barrier for you. I'll happily volunteer to go over your re-write and change any American-English to British English. I'm sure @CR4ZE: and @Rhain1999: have this article in their sights after their sterling work on GTA V and IV. I'm sure they'd be happy to help, as would I. - X201 (talk) 09:08, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I've been keeping this article in my sights for a while now, and I'd be happy to help in any way possible. -- Rhain1999 ^{(talk to me)} 09:20, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Trying to archive

I was trying to archive. 110.22.50.32 (talk) 05:51, 7 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32-110.22.50.32 (talk) 05:51, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Setting and Characters sections

@General Clanker: I appreciate what you're trying to do by adding Settings and Characters sections to both this article and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, but neither article needs such sections. I'd like to break down each section and explain:

Setting

• The only information worth keeping in this section is the opening two sentences of III—the game takes place in Liberty City (based on NYC) and the city consists of three boroughs which become accessible throughout the narrative—and the tiny first sentence in Vice City. In both cases, this information is already discussed elsewhere.
• The information about the settings being used in later games is not relevant to this section, which is why it is mentioned in the Legacy section.
• The games taking place in the "3D universe" is irrelevant to the average reader, and adds very little to the information about the settings of the games.

Characters

• These entire sections mention one character each: the protagonist. The majority of the section focuses on development information.
• In fact, the section reads like a Development section: the majority of the sections just discuss development information (like why the team decided to make Claude mute). This information is much more suitable in the Story and characters subsection within Development, which is where it originally belonged.
• The listing of actors violates WP:GAMECRUFT. It's just unnecessary trivia.
• The Plot sections do a sufficient job at listing the most important characters and their context within the narrative at the same time. This Characters section is unnecessary.

I really wanted to avoid coming across as the owner of these articles, because that is most certainly untrue—Wikipedia is a collaboration, and I welcome all contributions. However, these particular contributions add nothing to the articles besides repetition and trivia. This information exists elsewhere in the articles, in locations where it fits more seamlessly, and I believe it should stay that way. I hope you understand. – Rhain ☔ 15:58, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Claude

I edited the page to say that Claude, the protagonist, is mute, because of a line in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas saying that he is. 98.149.152.187 (talk) 23:34, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

This is already mentioned in "Gameplay", there's no need to repeat it. – Rhain ☔ 23:35, 16 November 2021 (UTC)