Talk:Grand Canal (China)/Archives/2015

Map request

{{reqmapin|China}} a map of the canal please. Xah Lee 03:32, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Requested move 19 June 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 (talk) 06:24, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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Grand Canal (China) → Grand Canal of China – Wikipedia's disambiguation guidelines recommend using natural disambiguations instead of paranthetical disambiguations; for instance, the Great Wall of China rather than Great Wall (China). The Grand Canal of China is a commonly used alternative name for the canal (nearly 25,000 results on Google Books), and is more preferable than the current parenthetical disambiguation. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 05:33, 26 June 2015 (UTC) --Khanate General ☪ talk ^{project mongol conquests} 02:13, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose This is not "natural disambiguation" for a native English speaker - one wouldn't say the "River Thames of London" for example. The other two Grand Canals in Venice and Ireland are both disambiguated parenthetically while the other DAB topics don't use "of". The Great Wall of China is a unique case.  Philg88 ^♦talk 04:27, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

• The "Grand Canal of China" is hardly an obscure name for the subject in English language sources. There was a book written in 1967 by Lyn Harrington about the history of the canal titled The Grand Canal of China. Both Xiaobing Li's China at War: An Encyclopedia and earlier editions of the Encyclopedia Britannica have used the "Grand Canal of China" as a title for the subject. There are 25,000 results on Google Books. It's the second most commonly used English language name for the canal.--Khanate General ☪ talk ^{project mongol conquests} 00:42, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Comment perhaps we should present examples of what to do and not to do at WP:AT etc. I sympathise with the nom that the guidelines are not clear. However no one presents titles (not descriptions, titles) like this. GregKaye 06:49, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NATURAL. Sovereign Sentinel (talk) 08:58, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
• Tentative Support. I was going to oppose but Grand Canal of China does have usage in Google Books [1] and not massively less than Grand Canal with China added to the search (which doesn't guarantee the context is the subject of this article) [2]. Zarcadia (talk) 17:41, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose, the usage of "Grand Canal of China" as a proper name is relatively rare. This phrase has only about 252 results in Google Books. By comparison, "Grand Canal" AND China gets as many as about 1,570 results, which is massively greater than the phrase "Grand Canal of China". Khestwol (talk) 16:14, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

There's a problem with your search terms. The search term ""Grand Canal" AND China" also includes every incidence of the phrase "Grand Canal of China". Take a look at the first result for your search term "Grand Canal AND China". It's a book titled The Grand Canal of China written in 1967 by Lyn Harrington. The second result is also titled The Grand Canal of China: Addresses at a Dinner Given in Honor of John R. Freeman, published in 1919.

Additionally, this move request concerns the titles "Grand Canal of China" versus the "Grand Canal (China)", not the "Grand Canal of China" versus "Grand Canal". The "Grand Canal" is obviously the most common English name for the subject, but it's currently a disambiguation page: Grand Canal. In lieu of using "Grand Canal" as the title, the second best choice is to use the second most commonly used English name for the subject, which is the "Grand Canal of China."-Khanate General ☪ talk ^{project mongol conquests} 00:29, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

• Strong oppose. 'Grand Canal of China' as the article title would make people think that the name of the canal is Grand Canal of China, when in fact it obviously is not. If you really need to bring out WP:NATURAL, the title 'Grand Canal, China' would be more suitable. I would recommend keeping the title as-is. Sovereign/^Sentinel 11:39, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Is not known as "of China". --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:43, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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