Talk:Gillian Merron

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plenty of highly POV comments in this article

For example "In a nutshell, her views may win her many friends in east London, but much less throughout Lincolnshire."

89.168.17.220 21:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

POV

I've removed the section about all women shortlists as I think it is unbalanced and POV. It mentioned that the courts decided that all women shortlists contravened employment law, but not that they have subsequently become legal again. I think it is worth mentioning in the article that she was selected from an all women shortlist, but discussion of the legality and merits of all women shortlists should be left to the all women shorlists article, rather than duplicated over and over again on the articles about every woman selected by the method. Alboran (talk) 14:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree completely as do others. The fact she was on an all women shortlist is highly notable and the fact that it was an illegal shortlist is more so. That the shortlists are now temporarily legal is interesting, but irrelevant to the specific case of Merron as she has never had any involvement with any such legal shortlists, only the original illegal ones. Therefore in previous discussions it was agreed to only have information directly relevant to the person in question, information about the shortlists becoming legal five years later are therefore in the All Women Shortlist article only. The real problem is that the AWS article isn't up to standard yet and needs more work - I will try to get round to it soon, though would appreciate it if others help too.--Shakehandsman (talk) 14:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the section saying that all women short lists are illegal because it is simply no longer true, to claim that the all women short lists are illegal would be giving the public false information. Since 2001 they have been legal so it they are not "temporarily legal" either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.147.41 (talk) 12:51, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed a statement that claimed that Merron was well known for not making as many speeches as other MPs and voting as instructed. This statement sounded like POV and the references did not support the claim, which were also outdated. I thought it would be more useful to people researching Gillian Merron to know the highlights of her voting history, so I replaced the statement with some of her voting highlights from theyworkforyou.com.

Humberside and Lincolnshire

Great Grimsby is in Lincolnshire and the Labour MP has been there since 1977. Humberside, which was a whim, was hated by the people and only lasted from 1 April 1974 until 1 April 1996. From 1996 Grimsby has once more officially been back in Lincolnshire, though people have always maintained it was and always will be Lincolnshire. So claims that at one point she was the only Labour MP in Lincolnshire is false.--BSTemple (talk) 07:09, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have a great deal of sympathy with your position and would very much like to be able to agree with you. Living, as I do, in Sleaford, I could foresee considerable advantages accruing from Grimsby and other parts of the former county of Humberside that lie south of the Humber being policed by Lincolnshire Police, for example. But sadly that's not the case.

The fact of the matter is that, when abolishing the County of Humberside, The Humberside (Structural Change) Order 1995 (SI 1995 No. 600) did NOT put Grimsby back into Lincolnshire. It instead created new counties:

"New counties of the City of Kingston upon Hull, North Lincolnshire, North East Lincolnshire and the East Riding of Yorkshire shall be constituted and shall comprise the district areas of the City of Kingston upon Hull, North Lincolnshire, North East Lincolnshire and the East Riding of Yorkshire respectively."^[1]

I hope you'll now be able to agree that, since Grimsby has been shown to legally be part of the County of North East Lincolnshire, Gillian Merron is the only Labour MP in Lincolnshire. Kindly undo your edit.—GrahamSmith (talk) 09:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Go to this site and search for "Members of Parliament" You will find his page here

This is under Government in Lincolnshire. Whether you are North Lincolnshire or just Lincolnshire, you are in Lincolnshire and under the website lincolnshire.gov.uk.

You have the "This user is a member of WikiProject Lincolnshire" box, yet your name is not in the Participants, if you go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Lincolnshire, you will see Grimsby is included. FACT Grimsby is in Lincolnshire.

May I ask why you are so keen for this woman to have this false claim? And why this denial of Lincolnshire? Lincolnshire is Lincolnshire, even if government tries to mess it up. The Lincolnshire flag flies proudly in North Lincolnshire and North East Lincolnshire.--BSTemple (talk) 17:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

North East Lincolnshire & North Lincolnshire, although separate unitary authorities, they are part of Lincolnshire county for ceremonial purposes, just as Kingston upon Hull is ceremonially part of the East Riding of Yorkshire even though it is a separate unitary authority. Keith D (talk) 17:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As suggested by BSTemple, I have looked carefully at Austin Mitchell's entry on lincolnshire.gov.uk and see that his address clearly (and correctly) shows him to be in the county of North East Lincolnshire. Oh, and by the way, the same website also contains contact details for other MPs whose constituencies are also outwith the present day County of Lincolnshire. And, regardless of whether any of us like it, is the law of the land that North Lincolnshire and North East Lincolnshire are counties, replacing the County of Humberside. There's no sense getting argumentative or abusive about it.—GrahamSmith (talk) 13:02, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And I completely agree with Keith D's comment that the counties of North Lincolnshire and North East Lincolnshire are served by the High Sherriff and Lord Lieutenant of Lincolnshire for ceremonial purposes as defined by Lieutenancies Act 1997.

But this article is about Gillian Merron MP, and should therefore surely be determined on the basis of Administrative and Government Boundaries, not Ceremonial Boundaries?—GrahamSmith (talk) 13:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, because if you say to someone Lincolnshire, they are not going to get technical and realise that there is a North Lincolnshire and North East Lincolnshire.

Also in the very link you provide it states: "(2) Section 2(1) of the 1972 Act (which provides that every county shall have a council) shall not apply in relation to the counties of the City of Kingston upon Hull, North Lincolnshire, North East Lincolnshire and the East Riding of Yorkshire." The reason is that they are being placed back into their traditional counties. Does it not strike you as strange that a county should not have at least a Council? And for Wiki projects and categories we have Category:Local government in Lincolnshire. Are you suggesting this should change to Category:Local government in North East Lincolnshire and Category:Local government in North Lincolnshire? People using the Wikipedia are going to find this very confusing. And if the locals of these regions get their way and it all becomes just Lincolnshire, what then? My point is that it is all Lincolnshire, regardless whether you say North or North East, and if there is a North and North East Lincolnshire, why not a South and South East?

I am not getting argumentative and certainly not abusive about it, but I am stating a view and reason why Lincolnshire must mean all Lincolnshire. People in these regions don’t say "I live in North East Lincolnshire", They say "I live in Lincolnshire" and let’s face it whatever, Lincolnshire is in the Title. --BSTemple (talk) 17:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This issue has now been clarified by WP:UCC—GrahamSmith (talk) 09:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the item you quote actually muddies the water as if you read point 2 then it says it is acceptable to refer to unitary-authorities under their ceremonial county and as such the 2 unitary authorities are classified as Lincolnshire. Keith D (talk) 10:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Local campaigns

I've written about a number of local campaigns that Gillian Merron has notably been involved in- I felt it was an important aspect of her work that was previously missing from this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomfromlincoln (talk • contribs) 15:51, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They read like adverts - are you linked to Gillian in some way? I note that the Labour membership secretary for Lincoln has the name Tom--Shakehandsman (talk) 06:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources and weighting

Taking
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gillian_Merron&oldid=347041784
as the reference point.

If there's to be a Local campaigns section, there needs to be way of weighing statements like "Merron fully supported the campaign" and "Gillian Merron also got heavily involved in the campaign".
Is "getting involved", making 1 phone call, and "getting heavily involved", making 2 phone calls?
Someone emboldened the title of David Maclean's bill, but didn't explain how Ms Merron felt that the provisions for personal information existing in the Freedom of Information Act 2000 were inadequate.
"Most notably, Merron has voted for equal gay rights, the hunting ban, foundation hospitals, a ban on smoking in public places, the Iraq war and laws to stop climate change."
"Most notably"?
These appear to be the party line.

Haskanik (talk) 00:03, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Statutory Instrument 1995 No. 600 The Humberside (Structural Change) Order 1995 PART III entitled 'NEW COUNTIES - Constitution of new counties' Section 5(1)

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Missing bio info

Hello, I've noticed that there are a couple of current parliamentary roles missing from the bio on this page that are mentioned here: https://members.parliament.uk/member/347/career - should these be added?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by HLBiogs (talk • contribs) 10:15, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Statutory Instrument 1995 No. 600 The Humberside (Structural Change) Order 1995 PART III entitled 'NEW COUNTIES - Constitution of new counties' Section 5(1)

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