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Requested move 24 July 2014

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:46, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia, U.S. – Usually, to disambiguate place names by their location, we use commas - for example, we have Paris, Denmark, not Paris (Denmark). And while the state does need to be disambiguated from a country in Eurasia by the same name, I think that it clearly trumps anything else in the US for being the primary topic. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:58, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Oppose. Per WP:NCDAB, I get that it would not technically be inappropriate to disambiguate an ambiguous geographical name by "adding the name of a higher-level administrative division, separated by a comma". However, the current approach of parenthetically appending the generic class is also perfectly permissible, and is actually preferable in this case because it can be consistently applied in the same fashion to both of the subjects that need to be disambiguated: Georgia the state and Georgia the country. (The administrative division approach cannot be consistently applied to both, since there is no clear administrative division above the nation of Georgia.) ╠╣uw [talk] 14:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose - current name fits the disambiguation guidelines on titles best. However, Georgia, U.S. (and all variations with and without punctuation) should redirect to the US state, if they don't already exist. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:20, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The current name is fine and is how we usually disambiguate. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:25, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I'm not convinced by the argument made by the OP, who is only using city, town and village articles like Paris, Denmark as a comparison. WP:NCPLACE#Disambiguation lists a wide range of topics and locations other than settlements, and they may either use the parenthetical disambiguation or the comma-convention. I could conversely argue that the U.S. state should remain having the parenthetical disambiguation just like Victoria (Australia), Amazonas (Brazilian state), Santa Cruz Department (Bolivia), and other provinces, states, and first-level administrative country subdivisions. Scanning through all the sub-cats of Category:First-level administrative country subdivisions, there is a mixture of both parenthetical disambiguation and comma-conventions, so unless there is a consensus for a massive page move to one or the other, there is not really any compelling reason for a single page move here. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:58, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose There are at least three other places called Georgia in the U.S. DrKiernan (talk) 19:12, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose - per my peers.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 02:38, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose - per the reasons of the other opposers. GoodDay (talk) 13:39, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The Paris example isn't good because the State, U.S. construction isn't used like City, State. It's just called Georgia (which is a U.S. state). kennethaw88 • talk 02:54, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose - we're not going into this debate again. ONR (talk) 03:00, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Per Zzyzx11. Comparing "the hamlet of Paris, Denmark" to a federated state that is much larger (geographically and economically) than many countries (including the aforementioned Denmark) is very much a comparison of apples to oranges. Further, if reliable sources do use "Georgia, U.S." to disambiguate the topic, it is infrequent enough that it isn't even a consideration as an article title per Wikipedia policy. The parenthetical disambiguation is the best choice because it serves the intended purpose; it lets readers know the most common title for the subject, which is Georgia, yet uses a parenthetical disambiguation to show which Georgia it is. I believe that the current title is in line with Wikipedia policy and reliable sources, and the justification that cities use commas (which is reflected by reliable sources) doesn't show that this article's title should be changed. - Aoidh (talk) 04:40, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
  • If I were equipped with tools; today, I would almost certainly be closing this discussion instead of saying: "of course not." It befuddles me that Od Mishehu could bring such an untenable proposition.—John Cline (talk) 05:42, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
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The Walking Dead Success..

Shouldn't be mentioned, that the whole "The Walking Dead" Success story of Robert Kirkman is setup in Georgia (why this lead me to here) ? Atlanta Savannah, Georgia, etc.) The Walking Dead (TV series) The Walking Dead (comic book) and The Walking Dead (video game) has a huge success and fan base and is famous worldwide. Those series make me really curious to visit once Georgia, so I can imagine, it could have some influence for the touristic industry of Georgia. Fatomeb (talk) 09:30, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Manual of Style (Dates)

Per WP:TPO, closing section created by IP sockpuppet of banned User:Vote (X) for Change
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

BilCat reverted an edit to Georgia citing the above. However, the relevant passage reads

Dates of events in countries using the Gregorian calendar at that time are given in the Gregorian calendar. This includes some of the Continent of Europe from 1582, the British Empire from 14 September 1752 and Russia from 14 February 1918 (see Gregorian calendar).

(my emphasis)

1733 is before 1752, so the date 1 February for the founding of Georgia is correct. Subject to any comments I'll revert back. 5.150.92.20 (talk) 15:25, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Per WP:JG: "The dating method used should follow that used by reliable secondary sources (or if reliable sources disagree, that used most commonly, with an explanatory footnote)." Given that The State of Georgia's website uses February 12, 1733, we can go with that for now unless you can prove the the majority of reliable secondary sources use the old style date. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 15:41, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
I would imagine that the Library of Congress would have newspapers from the period and all of them (without exception) will give 1 February. But we don't have to go that far back - see [1]. 5.150.92.20 (talk) 09:57, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment - I used newspapers.com to look through newspapers in 1733 and 1744, and couldn't find anything that supported either date being used. Georgia did use the Julian calendar at the time, per this page on GALILEO. However, I agree with BilCat that WP:JG seems to support the Gregorian date, because while the IP's emphasized quote above mentions using the Gregorian calendar in specific time frames, it does not say anything about the Julian calendar being used outside of those time frames. Furthermore, reliable sources, including the State of Georgia, typically give February 12 as the date. It may be worth putting a footnote explaining that Georgia used the Julian calendar at the time, but I don't think anything more than that would be appropriate. - Aoidh (talk) 10:34, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
This is a common argument

using the Gregorian calendar in specific time frames ... does not say anything about the Julian calendar being used outside of those time frames.

Please. This is equivalent to saying that if the law requires licensed premises to close at 11 PM they can still be serving alcohol at midnight because it does not say they are required not to be open after 11. This has been discussed to death and the consensus is that the argument is wrong. See previous discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 166#An unlikely tale and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers/Archive 151#An unlikely tale. 5.150.92.20 (talk) 11:45, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

I read through the two discussions you linked, and I'm not sure what you're suggesting but nothing in those discussions refutes anything that's been said here. I'm not sure where you were going with the "this is equivalent to saying" bit, but that's nothing like what's being said and is irrelevant. The only thing I'm seeing in the discussions you linked is that you and 156.61.250.250 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) have a lot in common, sharing the same geolocation and oddly specific areas of interest (specifically the Julian Calendar, the US State of Georgia, and Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language). However, that IP address was blocked for 6 months for "persistent disruptive editing", so if you are the same editor, that would be block evasion and if that's the case, I suggest you abide by that block to avoid it being extended. - Aoidh (talk) 11:56, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

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Household income Income and rank in infobox

The median household income in the infobox is current set to $50,861, and the rank as 22nd. I'm having troubling finding *any* good source for these numbers. The linked article, Household_income_in_the_United_States#Income_by_state, puts Georgia at $48,590 and 29th rank, but is from 2009 (although it is sourced). We need to either find a decent source, or remove the items. Rwessel (talk) 02:50, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 23 November 2016

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The result of the move request was: not moved per WP:SNOW. (WP:NAC) Nohomersryan (talk) 18:40, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia (state) – As Georgia is the only country subdivision named "Georgia", to be consistent with Washington (state) Eric0928Talk 03:00, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

It looks as though the article was called "Washington (U.S. state)", until it was moved in January 2011, this article was moved to "Georgia (U.S. state)" from "State of Georgia" in July 2008 ∼∼∼∼ Eric0928Talk 04:23, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
The countries in green use federal systems of government.
  • Oppose - Why would you intentionally make a disambiguation tag more ambiguous? --Khajidha (talk) 00:11, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Again? How is it not clear that this move has been rejected multiple times because the term "state" is ambiguous? kennethaw88 • talk 06:13, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose, obviously. "State" has multiple meanings, the canonical one is "sovereign state", and the US one is a derived sense (the original US states were sovereign between the end of the American Revolution and the formal founding of the United States). Outside of US English, the country of Georgia is a state, and the US state of Georgia is a division of the US, much as Cornwall and Brittany (despite once being sovereign nation-states) are now part of England and France, respectively, and are not states.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  10:53, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose We're far better off with the unambiguous current title than changing it to a title which is already in use as a DAB. This is looking like a SNOW. Meters (talk) 18:25, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
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Rationale for move request

First off, the oppose side won 12-1, the main rationale was that this move hadn't been discussed before, and also, another note, that New York was moved from New York (state) to New York, and yet, that contradicts what Jmcgnh's comment was:


In fact, the dab page for "New York" was originally located at "New York", yet, since that one can argue that:


If one were in a discussion to move "New York (state)" to "New York" you could've argued:


In fact, there are a lot of articles for "New York", and yet, we settled on the state.

If Jmcgnh's quote can play into context, then we can argue that Washington (state) should be renamed to "Washington", since that it's easily distinguished from Washington, D.C. by it's suffix, ", D.C.". In fact, I hate calling it "Washington, D.C." because it gives an impression that what is the "City of Washington" is something within the federal district known as the "District of Columbia", which is kind of true, what is the "City of Washington" is really the local government set up by the District of Columbia Home Rule Act, which established a DC council and a mayor's office, and the "District of Columbia" is really the federal district under direct control of Congress of which the "City of Washington" is within.

  • Comment - Comparing New York and Georgia is a comparison of apples to oranges peaches (sorry, had to). Each article is assessed on its own merits, the circumstances around the State of New York are different than the circumstances around the State of Georgia, which are different than the circumstances around the State of Washington. Consistency would be consistently following WP:DAB, not consistently adding the same parenthetical disambiguation just to make it match other articles. This article should consistent with WP:DAB, rather than consistent with Washington (state) or New York. - Aoidh (talk) 22:47, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict):Eric0928 It seems that you are quoting me to represent a point of view I do not share.

I am not comfortable with close calls on primary topic debates. But I intended my remark to apply only to the situation of choosing which of two disambiguations should host an article and which should be a redirect (or dab). In my opinion, those are fairly different.
There are many disputes about primary topics and I don't have a generalized view on how they might be resolved. For the instance you bring up here, my opinion is that it's okay for New York (state) to be the redirect for New York, but no link in Wikipedia should ambiguously link directly to New York, the links should be disambiguated as either New York (state) or New York (city). This is what bd2412 has been working towards as an intermediate step and, as far as I'm concerned, that should be the final step.
I am not a striver for complete WP consistency, though. I generally favor letting a situation that is working well enough stay the way it is and am not in favor of churning things for reasons of consistency or emerging trends in popularity.
So I'm setting myself the assignment of re-reading WP:Disambiguation and related topics, since my understanding says that New York should still be a dab page.  —jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 23:22, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

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Climate, Geography, Demographics, Economy ....

Why don't these U.S. state articles in Wikipedia include a category for CRIME (and the various crime rates, by demographic breakdown for both the criminals and the victims)? Just as with a college, it would seem an important factor to know about a state for those readers who are contemplating moving there, visiting there, or doing business in that state.Starhistory22 (talk) 10:17, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

This doesn't seem to be a standard category for country articles or for country subdivision articles, why would it be standard for US states?--Khajidha (talk) 12:37, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

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Additions of copyrighted promotional text

Someone has been adding copyrighted promotional text from http://workforce.georgia.org/competitive-advantages/infrastructure/ and possibly other pages on that site. That needs to stop and be reverted.   — Jeff G. ツ 10:03, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 5 January 2018

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The result of the move request was: SNOW not moved. ToThAc (talk) 19:31, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia (American state) – "U.S." is not really an adjective or a proper descriptor. I would say that "American" describes the state of Georgia better and still differentiates between it and the Eurasian nation of Georgia. – JocularJellyfish TalkContribs 17:56, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

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Article Too big?

WP:ARTICLESIZE says that an article that is over 100kb should almost certainly be divided. While reverting blanking vandalism I noticed that this page is around 150kb. Should we divide the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Username Needed (talk • contribs) 11:23, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Georgia Region

Most of the States surrounding Georgia include "Deep South" in their regional descriptions. Georgia is the only Deep Southern State that does not. Would it be okay to add this to its description?--50.202.217.173 (talk) 16:19, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

The fact that you have made this edit three times and each time been reverted by an experienced editor (here, here and here) should make it pretty obvious that it is not OK. Each time, the reverting editor explained their action in the edit summary; see them at the links to the left. Also, see WP:CONSENSUS. General Ization Talk 20:31, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Also, the phrase was recently added to those other state articles by User:Bassball Batman, apparently without prior discussion, who also added to the Georgia article here. Those instances should probably be removed too. - BilCat (talk) 21:09, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

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Interstate 285

There is a requested move discussion taking place at Talk:Interstate 285#Requested move 2 December 2018 that people here may be interested in following. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 07:07, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Some proposed changes

Information to be added or removed: Georgia ranked 30th in the nation for educational performance, according to Education Week’s Quality Counts 2018 report. It earned an overall score of 73.0 out of 100 points and a grade of C. By comparison, the nation received a score of 75.2 or a C. Georgia posted a C-plus in the Chance-for-Success category, ranking 33rd on factors that contribute to a person’s success both within and outside the K-12 education system. Georgia received a mark of D-plus and finished 37th for School Finance. It ranked 11th with a grade of C on the K-12 Achievement Index.

Explanation of issue: Since I work for Education Week, who put out this report, I was instructed to request the edit rather than make it myself. I feel that this information about the quality of Georgia's K-12 schools would be a beneficial addition to the page and add something that it currently does not have. References supporting change: This is the URL I'd cite - https://www.edweek.org/ew/collections/quality-counts-2018-state-grades/highlight-reports/2018/01/17/Georgia.html Csmithepe (talk) 16:35, 11 February 2019 (UTC)Csmithepe

  •  Done (added here). Thank you so much for your compliance. Here is the proper citation by the way: <ref name="Edweek">{{cite journal |title=Georgia Earns a C on State Report Card, Ranks 30th in Nation - Quality Counts |journal=Education Week |date=17 January 2018 |volume=37 |issue=17 |url=https://www.edweek.org/ew/collections/quality-counts-2018-state-grades/highlight-reports/2018/01/17/georgia.html |accessdate=11 February 2019 |publisher=Editorial Projects in Education |language=EN}}</ref> ―Matthew J. Long -Talk-☖ 16:48, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 6 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Closing this early per WP:SNOW.(non-admin closure) Calidum 18:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC)


Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia (state) – There’s the country Georgia and there’s the state called Georgia. People outside America usually call it the state of Georgia. Metric Supporter 89 (talk) 00:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

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Split proposed

The Economy of Georgia (U.S. state) is a topic of particular current interest. Here are some potential sources of information:

-- M2545 (talk) 13:36, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

On Land Area

The article claims that Georgia is the largest state east of the Mississippi River by land area. Surely Florida and Michigan are larger, according to Wikipedia's own ranking? The citation is a 554-page document from the US Census bureau. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.23.194.211 (talk) 14:44, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

According to the ranking on List of U.S. states and territories by area (which is presumably where that source came from), Georgia does actually have slightly more land area (as opposed to total area) than either Florida or Michigan. However, this seems like a very arbitrary, niche, and possibly misleading fact, so I wouldn't be opposed if someone removed that sentence. RoxySaunders (talk) 00:37, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
It's not arbitrary, and I oppose its removal. Just because some people don't do enough research, that isn't a reason to remove factual information. BilCat (talk) 01:10, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

"USA Georgia" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect USA Georgia. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 29#USA Georgia until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Regards, SONIC678 18:18, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Minority

There is this sentence: 58.8% of Georgia's population younger than 1 were minorities.

I believe that the usage of the word "minority" to refer to a growing demographic that is expected to be a statistical majority in the 2040s and is already a majority of children. Especially given that 58.8 > 50 and a minority is considered 50% or less.

I think we should take it to the chat. Bernspeed (talk) 20:26, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Mixing Demographic Data

I noticed that in "Georgia (U.S. state)" and "Demographics of Georgia (U.S. state)" there is use of old population data or the mixing of 2011 & 2020 population data. Since we have definitive 2020 census data for the state's population, which is 7.11 million people, the use of 2011 census data is misleading, if not incorrect. The latest census data should be used throughout Wikipedia; otherwise we may be contributing to inaccurate conclusions. DefendableData (talk) 15:09, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Inflammatory bigotry in the intro section of the Georgia page

Why is the below quote in the introductory part of the page about Georgia? Why is the part about white supremacy there? It makes no sense.

"In the post-Reconstruction era, Georgia's economy was transformed as a group of prominent politicians, businessmen, and journalists, led by Henry W. Grady, espoused the "New South" philosophy of sectional reconciliation, industrialization, and white supremacy."

73.217.191.163 (talk) 22:38, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Because that's part of the history of Georgia? - Aoidh (talk) 22:41, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Slavery

Georgia was founded as a free colony. Slavery was only introduced later. This is a unique situation - worth more detail as to how the change took place?2A00:23C7:E287:1901:F5F6:B9DE:AB73:CA72 (talk) 08:46, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

See History of Georgia (U.S. state)#British colony. BilCat (talk) 10:02, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2022

Change "The student must maintain a 3.2 or higher grade point average" to "The student must maintain a 3.0 or higher grade point average" for the section that mentions the HOPE scholarship under education. Source: https://www.gafutures.org/hope-state-aid-programs/hope-zell-miller-scholarships/hope-scholarship/academic-eligibility-in-college/

Also please include a paragraph under the HOPE Scholarship which details the Zell Miller scholarship Findley2022 (talk) 14:10, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

 Partly done: I have corrected the HOPE information, but if you want to add info about the Zell Miller scholarship, please use the x-y format. Aaron Liu (talk) 03:39, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

"Georgia (U.S. state" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Georgia (U.S. state and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 27#Georgia (U.S. state until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 19:47, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add citation. This reads as an opinion rather than fact.

“With the advantages of cheap real estate, low taxes, right-to-work laws and a regulatory environment limiting government interference, the Atlanta metropolitan area became a national center of finance, insurance, technology, manufacturing, real estate, logistics, and transportation companies, as well as the film, convention, and trade show businesses.” 2601:446:600:1A50:0:0:0:D667 (talk) 02:17, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

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