Talk:Genesis Prize

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Working on cleaning up the article. I don't see any info here about the POV banner at the top of the page, planning to remove it unless there's more guidance about what to do to clean up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pengolodhlerner (talk • contribs) 12:14, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2018 ceremony

Please discuss proposed changes to this section here.

This long title is unnecessarily verbose and the use of "avoidance"is POV pushing. The shorter title is much more accessible.

Repeating the phrase "Genesis prize" over and over is unnecessary. The type of dollars awarded needs to be clarified; is it local dollars of the recipient, Canadian Dollars, Australian Dollars, US Dollars etc. This cannot simply be assumed. The phrase "Foundation decided not to allow for the possibility of the event becoming politicized by her absence" is promoting the position put forward by the foundation. This is not what should be done. A neutral factual account of the events is needed and any position put forward by the foundation must be a direct quote from a source. WTKitty (talk) 21:22, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Some of your changes were fine, some were meh. The assumption is likely US dollars and this is not worth fussing over. No, we do not have to quote the foundation or anybody else, ever. The other things might be worth discussing, like the header. Jytdog (talk) 21:29, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Quoting if it is in a source and relevant is fine. That sentence and sentiment about never quoting would mean that no speech ever given by a from Gettysburg to I have a dream could not be quoted on Wikipeida which is absurd.

Please discuss the issues rather than discuss discussing which is bonkers. WTKitty (talk) 21:50, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dollars do not need to be clarified unless they are not US dollars. The "Foundation decided not to allow for the possibility of the event becoming politicized by her absence" is perfectly neutral and perfectly accurate, and is vital to inform the reader why the Foundation cancelled the ceremony. The statement does not need to be either attributed or directly quoted, because it is an accurate, neutral, cited fact. In terms of the header, it is accurate and neutral, but if it is deemed too long I suggest possibly shortening it to "Cancelation of 2018 prize ceremony". Please remember to leave a clear and accurate edit summary for every edit you make. GreyGoose (talk) 04:53, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The section "not to allow for the possibility of the event becoming politicized" is not neutral as it makes assumptions regarding politicisation. It also furthers the POV of the foundation which is not neutral as the foundation are going to be in favour promoting and protecting their own interests. Not even putting in quotation marks (if it even is a quote) is simply an opinion dressed up as fact. Was Portman not showing up really going to politicise the event? what were the other possibilities? The Prime Minister of Israel attending and speaking at the ceremony already made the event political and politicised. It is selective to say that a recipients political views were the only thing which inserted politics in to the event. Inviting a politician automatically politicises an event. The other thing missing from the section is any mention of if anyone wanted the ceremony to go ahead regardless?

As for the verbose title why is it that long and detailed and POV? use of the word avoidance is POV and the title implies the ceremony went ahead. It should be a short and easy to understand as possible I am happy with "2018 ceremony cancellation".WTKitty (talk) 09:12, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]