Talk:Frank Packard

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NRHP-listed works

refnum	resname	address	city	statecd	architect
96000933	Blume High School	405--409 S. Blackhoof St.	Wapakoneta	OH	Packard, Frank
78002063	Columbus Near East Side District	Roughly bounded by Parsons Ave., Broad and Main Sts., and the railroad tracks	Columbus	OH	Packard,Frank L.
77001060	Columbus Savings and Trust Building	8 E. Long St.	Columbus	OH	Packard,Frank L.
88000559	Columbus Street Historic District	8--129 E. Columbus St. and 57 S. High St.	Canal Winchester	OH	Packard,Frank
86003393	East Broad Street Historic District	Along E. Broad St. between Monypenny and Ohio Aves.	Columbus	OH	Packard,Frank
86003397	East Broad Street Presbyterian Church	760 E. Broad St.	Columbus	OH	Packard,Frank
86003490	East High Street Historic District	Roughly bounded by E. Chestnut St., S. Catherine St., E. Vine St., and S. Gay St.	Mount Vernon	OH	Packard,Frank L.
05001144	Emery Hall	Central State University Campus	Wilberforce	OH	Packard, Frank
01000899	Gallipolis Historic District	Roughly bounded by 3rd Ave., Vine and Spruce Sts. and the Ohio R.	Gallipolis	OH	Packard, Frank
80003138	Granville Historic District	OH 37	Granville	OH	Packard,Frank
86003506	Hudson Avenue Historic District	Hudson Ave. between Stevens St. and OH 16	Newark	OH	Packard,Frank
82001779	Masonic Temple	900 Market St.	Parkersburg	WV	Packard,Frank L.
82003602	McCune's Villa	537 Jones Rd.	Granville	OH	Packard,Frank L.
84003682	Miller, J.F., House	1600 Roxbury Rd.	Marble Cliff	OH	Packard,Frank L.
86003494	Monnett Memorial M. E. Chapel	999 OH 98	Bucyrus	OH	Packard,Frank L.
79001910	Muskingum College Campus Historic District	U.S. 22	New Concord	OH	Packard,Frank
87000984	North High School	100 Arcadia Ave.	Columbus	OH	Packard,Frank L.
90000482	O'Shaughnessy Dam and Bridge	Co. Rd. 126 between OH 257 and 745	Shawnee Hills	OH	Packard,Franklin l.
79001783	Ohio University Campus Green Historic District	Ohio University campus	Athens	OH	Packard,Frank L.
79002573	Old Clay County Courthouse	Main St.	Clay	WV	Packard,Frank L.
72001012	Old Governor's Mansion	1234 E. Broad St.	Columbus	OH	Packard,Frank
92000895	Parkersburg High School--Washington Avenue Historic District	Washington Ave. from Park Ave. to Dudley Ave., including 2101 Dudley	Parkersburg	WV	Packard,Frank L.
74001608	Putnam County Courthouse	Courthouse Sq.	Ottawa	OH	Packard,Frank
79001841	Shepard Street School	106 Short St.	Gahanna	OH	Packard,F.L.

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Hello @JPRiley: consider a move request before moving a long-established page name. I am not sure if you're aware of the details in the policy Wikipedia:Article titles, but there are sections like WP:NATURAL that explain that article titles should not include disambiguation if it is easily avoidable. As well, I have been consulting innumerous reference works about Columbus, the city Packard primarily built in, and writing hundreds of articles on these buildings. Most of these references do not use a middle name or initial for the man. $ɱ$ (talk) 17:12, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I believed this was the sensible decision because during his lifetime Packard always used his middle initial, as did his contemporaries. Biographical notices during his lifetime and obituaries all use it:

Biographical note in the Columbus 400, 1896
Biographical entry in History of the City of Columbus, 1920
Obituary in the American Architect, November 7, 1923
Obituary in the Western Architect, November, 1923
Obituary in the Journal of the American Institute of Architects, December 1923

Additionally, the AIA's records for Packard include several documents signed by him. All of the projects he published used the initial in their captions, including this drawing for an OU building from an OU bulletin.

I agree that it is included less in 21st century sources, including the Columbus AIA Guide which I referenced a few times in the list of projects. I do believe that this article should use the version of his name that was used by him professionally. However, I will leave the name of the article as it was.

Best, JPRiley (talk) 17:40, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Don't take it personally, I share many things in common with you, including an interest in architecture. And I am glad you're helping develop these articles further. I just think it should've been a red flag on the name given that nearly every Wikipedia article on him use his common name, Frank Packard. As do most of the reliable sources, about Columbus at least. $ɱ$ (talk) 17:24, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@JPRiley: I am not sure, are you familiar with WP:COMMONNAME? It's a long-followed practice here made into a policy, that we should use natural, commonly recognizable names. So even if a few sources use William Jefferson Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton, or similar, most modern sources call them Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton; this is what readers are most familiar with. The same situation, I believe, applies here.

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(talk) 17:55, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have reviewed the naming guidelines several times. I think that Packard's professional name is a sensible choice for his "Common Name," as it was in near exclusive use in his time, and is not uncommon when referring to him in ours.

Use of the middle initial in article titles is very common on Wikipedia, especially in the context of professionals who lived during this time. See, for one example, Packard's partner Joseph W. Yost.

It also can be reasonably said that we aren't going to have consensus here with only the two of us thinking about it. If others who may be watching this page weigh in, it may be worth doing something, but as it currently stands if we do not agree, the title may as well stay how it is.

Best, JPRiley (talk) 19:35, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]