Talk:Fort Henry Guard

Current Members/Lists

So... is someone actually going to update this with the current members every year? Seems unlikely to me, and the names will have to be deleted. I do think the positions should be in there, however. DPr77 14:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree, only the positions. There is no reason for names to be here since they do not add any encyclopedic value to the article. BC 00:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Further to the above, the article seems to be turning into a giant list of people. This is not what WP is for. I think all we need are the positions, the rank structure, and how the Guard is organized. Lists of people's names who hold such and such rank or who were involved with a race or who used to work with the Guard are not important or notable in the least for the purposes of WP, and are certainly not encyclopedic. I propose that all names be deleted and that a chart similar to the ones that exist now be used to present rank in proper order with the insignia to illustrate the ranks. Ranks should also be explained properly. For instance, what is an artillery rank vs. an Infantry rank? BC 08:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I utterly agree, and would also point out that the summer employees (many of them teenagers) were not consulted before their full names were put up on the web in this manner. There is no possible reason for those names to be part of this entry: they can include that information on the official Fort site if they wish, assuming they get permission from the employees. I have removed the staff names. It still needs a lot of clean-up. 21:45, 22 May 2007.

Your change was reverted by an IP and I don't think that removing the names is going to stick. I think the only way to prevent staff being listed is to protect the page. The majority of changes are from IP addresses and I believe that there is a protection process that can be enabled to prevent changes by non-registered users. After protection is enabled, then the page can be changed to delete all names and leave only the relevant stuff. FHG members are using this page as a vanity display, which of course is not what Wikipedia is about.BC 23:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. The lists are self-promotional and totally unnecessary. Having the officers is almost justifiable, but to have every single staff member is ridiculous. How can protection be enabled? Dantès 17:55, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Private website?

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NOTE

PLEASE do not edit this page UNLESS you are Current or Past Fort Henry Guard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.189.141 (talk • contribs)

Please be reminded that this is NOT a private article/website or blog that can only be edited by FHG members or ex-members. FHG members DO NOT own this article (see WP:OWN). If members want to participate in editing their own site for social reasons and construct a site that is geared JUST for FHG members, then do so SOMEWHERE ELSE. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a convenient location to place a blog or "non-official" website of an organization (see WP:NOT). I would also like to remind contributers to leave a comment explaining their edits, and to not leave comments in the main article text. If you have concerns about edits then leave a comment on this discussion page. Major edits such as removing non-encyclopedic name/rank lists have been discussed and appropriate action taken. DO NOT revert unless you have discussed the issue. And please see the welcome page so that you know what Wikipedia is all about. BC 12:58, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Neutral Language, Please

As a past Guard member, I share and understand the palpable pride with which the numerous authors have described the institution. However, it is worth pointing out that in an encyclopedia, over-enthusiastic praise - if genuine - lends an air of disreputability. The article must have a neutral, dispassionate tone: let the Guard's professionalism and esprit de corps speak for itself. Overweening praise is counter-productive.

I have, accordingly, removed a couple of the most flagrantly positive adjectives from the main text. ("Countless" events; the Queen's "sincere" appreciation; and some others). However, I point out that the remaining text is still a little too enthusiastic to be neutral - the last paragraph, referring to the "steeped"ness of the tradition, is of particularly questionable relevance to the Wikipedia format. However, to avoid major furore, I have left that up. Dmhaglund (talk) 13:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Fort Henry Guard Motto

Whoever created this mistakenly put an incorrect Motto "Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense" is not the Guard Motto. "Merentur Etiam" (We also serve) is the Guard Motto. FHG1863 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.246.2.9 (talk) 14:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Technically the Motto is from one of the plaques on the wall at Fort Henry showing all of the regiments that served at the Fort. The full Motto is Merentur Etiam Se Parati - as per the plaque - rough Transelation "We also serve who are prepared" or "We also serve who stand and wait". This referrs to the fact that the Fort was never in a military engagement, so the soldiers garrisoned there never saw any military action at the Fort. During the Sunset Ceremonies commentary the "We also serve" part is mentioned only. Regards - FHG 1655. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.81 (talk) 17:49, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Merentur Etiam Qui Stent Parati - FHG2231 AgambensreMarx (talk) 18:11, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Fort Henry Guard / Relationship With Canadian Forces

On the wikipedia article it mentions that the Fort Henry Guard has no official connection with the Canadian Forces. Whilst this is true, there are many strong traditions and connections with ex-Guard and the Fort to the Canadian Forces.

Fort Proper - sits upon land leased from the Department of National Defence - was a POW Camp for German Prisoners during WWII - garrisoned by members of the Princess of Wales Own Regiment (this happened after the guard was formed in 1938).

Guard Ceremonial Connections with the Canadian Forces - strong relationship with the Governor General Foot Guards, the Princess of Wales Own Regiment, the Royal Military College, Queen's Own Rifles, and HMCS Ontario - all of these units have paraded and in some cases done exchanges with the Fort Henry Guard. - e.g Skirmishing Tactics were taught to the Guard in 1993 by members of the Queen's Own Rifles. - Members of the Fort Henry Guard Club of Canada are invited to attend the Remembrance Day Ceremonies with members of the Queen's Own Rifles in Toronto.

Former Guardsmen who were also in the Canadian Forces. - there is a commemorative plaque on the Fort Grounds that lists members from the Guard who were killed during WWII. Some of these former guardsmen were also graduates from RMC. - in the prior to the 1990's, the guard was overseen by a Guard Commander - in many cases this person was a Retired Sgt Major from the Canadian Forces. (e.g. Jim Elliot) - whilst I was in the guard (1993-1996) there were numerous guardsmen who had connections with the Canadian Forces (ex-cadets from Air, Navy, and Army, ex-reservists e.g. PWOR and GGFGs, and ex Reg Force Members - e.g. Vimy Band) - Guardsmen who had been awarded medals and decorations were encouraged to wear these itmes for cerimonial parades (e.g. Guard / Marines Parade).

Regards, FHG 1655.

Based on all of these things, I think it is incorrect to ignore the informal, traditional, and ceremonial connections that the Guard has with the Canadian Forces. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.81 (talk) 18:01, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

No one is ignoring this; all statements/claims should be adequately sourced. BC  _{talk to me} 18:47, 10 January 2015 (UTC)