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Windfall tax

Serial Number 54129 assuming you wrote this. Easton failed to predict in the early 60:s a tax introduced in 1997? I can't say I blame him. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:26, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stone Alone

If someone has access to this book [1], it may have something useful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:46, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More

Serial Number 54129, Hello again. Impressive work! Questions: "Clayson suggests that Easton's and Oldham's dismissal was as a result of a "divide and conquer" tactic by Klein" doesn't quite make sense to me, since there is no other mention of Oldham's dismissal in this article. Also, I checked cite 1 since I was curious if you had found a cite for 1995, but page 63 in that book is only about the Beatles. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:35, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Found 1995. That was strangely difficult. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:40, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: good point. Yeah, Oldham bought it over two years later, so it's not really relevant to Easton. I've trimmed it to relate to Easton only and relegated Oldham's subsequent career/sacking to a footnote. ——SN 54129 13:47, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Possible extras

DYK nomination
Getting rid of (music manager)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:14, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: feel free to nom at dyk. For the other, d'you mean losing that disambiguator? Just that there's already an Eric Easton page, and it world be a hard case to make that this EE should be the primary target. ——SN 54129 10:50, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Case: The other Eric Easton doesn't have an article or even a redirect, and is only reffed (well not actually reffed) to his employer in the wikilinked article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:05, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, actually a bloody easy case! Right, I've put in a requested move. ——SN 54129 11:22, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And there you have it. Many thanks to Ammarpad there. ——SN 54129 13:37, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

T Boy Jackson

About your edits today. I don't think any of them are wrong, but as I said at your talkpage, on WP you knowing it is not enough, here we need a WP:RS as defined by WP. If you can't source it, don't add it. If you wan't to write in another way, write a book or a blog. This article is surprisingly decent, WP-wise, and your additions are not improvements without good sources. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:03, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

T Boy Jackson (talk) 19:35, 10 March 2020 (UTC) I verified the birth and death dates and the place of death by a genealogy site, which I included in a previous post. Notice that I did not include any of the stuff that Paul Easton told me that I could not verify, such as Eric Easton's birth name. I am trying to be a good boy. I know that researchers like myself want dates and places. But I am thrilled with what you did! I didn't mean to step on toes.[reply]

What genealogy site? You didn't cite anything. And I have no idea what Paul Easton told you, not that it matters, unless he told you "Here is Eric Eastons obituary from Collier County Times!" (I made up the paper). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:00, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@T Boy Jackson: if you don't mind me asking, what was his birth name then? ——SN 54129 09:17, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

T Boy Jackson (talk) 11:00, 11 March 2020 (UTC) Here's the link I gave you on March second:[reply]

https://jewishgen.org/databases/eidb/engine/ssdm.php?numberKind=starts&numberMax=&firstKind=exact&firstMax=Eric&firstSoundex=&middleKind=starts&middleMax=&lastKind=exact&lastMax=Easton&lastSoundex=&suffixKind=exact&suffixMax=&bornyearKind=between&bornyearMin=1927&bornyearMax=1927&bornmonthKind=exact&bornmonthMax=&borndayKind=exact&borndayMax=&diedyearKind=between&diedyearMin=1995&diedyearMax=1995&diedmonthKind=exact&diedmonthMax=&dieddayKind=exact&dieddayMax=&ageKind=between&ageMin=&ageMax=&stateKind=exact&stateMax=&offset=1&pagesize=20&nototals=0&optimize=1&testing=0&engine=jg_myisam

Here's another

https://www.ancientfaces.com/person/eric-easton-birth-1927-death-1995/92065339

The zip code given ins for Naples Florida.

His son told me the following:

Dad was born Eric Catlow Huden and changed his name to Easton for professional purposes when he was a performing musician. He came from a little town called Rishton in Lancashire, close to Blackburn, Preston, Burnley and, most notably, Blackpool. His Mum died when he was a boy. When Dad was about 14 he was hired to play the theatre organ at the Tower Ballroom in Blackpool. That was during the war, when the majority of the men were overseas fighting. Without getting in too deep, that experience led him to eventually move to London where he started a theatrical agency booking variety entertainers around the country. Somewhere on that journey he had a couple of different enterprises, including renting Hammond organs to theatres, holiday camps and other live entertainment venues.

I am not sure where Lionel got the notion that dad was Jewish. His dad was Protestant, an Orange Man. At best he was Church of England (C of E) although we weren’t a good church going family! Funny, really, because most of his extended family in the north of England did have very strong ties to the church.

It was when he and Mum (Mary) married that Dad decided to venture in to the agency business. He was never too comfortable with the performing side of things although he and Mum used to produce summer shows around the country, mostly for seaside resort towns like Bridlington, Scarborough, etc. This was all in the days prior to rock and roll…the 1950s.

Eventually he opened an office in London and slowly transitioned to management, with at least one or two guys working with him as agents for the client roster. I remember BoB Knight being one of the agents. You referenced some of the artists he represented, including Bert Weedon, Julie Grant, radio host and compere Brian Matthew and a number of others. Mrs. Mills was one of his long-standing clients. She continues to sell records around the world even though she passed away in 1978.

Somewhere along the way he did end up with Dave Clark Five as a client but when he got the Stones he passed those guys on to Tito Burns. The Stones were a full time project!

Dad actually was the business guy behind the Stones. Andrew handled press and PR, that was the arrangement the two of them had. Unfortunately Andrew liked press and PR as much for himself as he did the band. He was erratic and inconsistent at best, disappearing for days and weeks on end. That was actually how Dad ended up producing some of the early recordings, simply because Andrew had gone missing! I can enlighten you on much of that history if it is of interest.

In the 70s Dad still managed Mrs. Mills (on EMI Records) although he had sold his office in London and was working from home. He had become involved in real estate development and a couple of other businesses. The toy store started out as something for Mum to do…Jane and I were in school and Mum wanted a project. They bought a card and gift shop in West Drayton, turned it in to a toy store and then opened another store in Slough. Lots of stories about those days!

As a family, we started visiting the States in 70s, the first trip I recall being 1976. A big year for America! A couple of years later Mum and Dad bought a holiday place in Naples and then finally decided in 1980 to emigrate. By then Jane was already living over here and I came along with them. Dad bought a business to satisfy immigration requirements and then they settled in to the Florida lifestyle.

Dad passed away on September 13, 1995, as you note. He was only 67…he died of cancer.

He didn’t have much contact with the Stones in later years although Bill did write to him a couple of times. On the Steel Wheels tour the band made Naples their base for the southern leg of the tour and we ended up having dinner with Bill at the Ritz Carlton. Ronnie came by to say hi. Dad went up ahead of us and met with Mick and Keith…the first time they had spoken in many, many years. There were no lawyers present that time around! Anyway, it was nice to hear Bill tell Dad they never knew what they had until they parted company. He regretted them letting Dad go. Financially it was a very bad decision and he said Mick would never admit it but it was a very sore point for him.

About the links you provided. From the WP-view, nothing in them makes it clear that this is the EE we are writing about (though it probably is), telling our readers that's the fact is what WP calls WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH and so shouldn't be included. You need a WP:RS, and if there is none, we shouldn't include it. By "it" I mean the exact dates, Florida and died of cancer. Again, I'm assuming it's correct, but sources matter. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:23, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, have to agree with Gråbergs Gråa Sång I'm afraid. This is all really interesting stuff, but it's tragic we can't source it. E.g., I googled his birth name, but nothing comes up (not necessarily surprising for anyone born so far pre-internet of course). I wonder if his wife (maiden name?) or that toy store is sourceable? Who's Jane? I've got a source for Bill Easton, but while I assume Eric Jr (baseball player) is a connection, I can't source it. I can source the plain facts of the Naples 1989 meeting. But, both the pre- and-post Stones periods are pretty sparse in the old reliable sources, sadly. ——SN 54129 11:42, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

T Boy Jackson (talk) 12:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)The baseball player is not a son. Eric Easton's children are Paul and Jane. Paul is in his 50s and Jane is older.[reply]

Apologies! Thanks for that; I'll lose Eric Jr then ——SN 54129 12:34, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Damn, this is a long article

Serial Number 54129, Something missing here: "His partnership with them, though, says Easton, because the group thought him to be concentrating too much on the Stones and not enough on them.[143][65]" Fell through, ended or something like that perhaps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:48, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that Gråbergs Gråa Sång; yeah, and it's getting longer as we speak :) I'll sort out that bizarre sentence while I'm at it. Cheers! ——SN 54129 14:57, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I think it's missing the word "ended" after "says Easton". ——SN 54129 14:59, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm starting to suspect that your goal is to make this article longer than Oldham and Klein combined. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:06, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More nagging: Lead: opened several businesses. Personal life: There he opened Easton's Music Centre[73]—trading in pianos and organs—and a real estate business. I still think my version was better. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:16, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not nagging. Disagree: where he kept working implies, I think, that he remained in the same industry, i.e., kept up the same work. Whereas he opened several businesses indicates there was a slight difference. ——SN 54129 19:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Still music, wasn't it ;-) Anyway, while 2 can be said to be several, it's a stretch. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:30, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Have tweaked slightly... ——SN 54129 19:35, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's ok, I can also go with "where he started new businesses." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:37, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: SchroCat (talk · contribs) 09:40, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Right then, 54129, let's see what we can make of this one...! Red pen out and ready for a review - should be with it properly later today or early tomorrow... - SchroCat (talk) 09:40, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Quite an interesting provenance this one—was originally written to help a noob editor avoid committing the cardinal sin of writing about someone they vaguely know, see this Help Desk discussion from March. I even got some of the bloody credit in the end :) ——Serial^# 15:51, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously I deserved more of the credit, but you should have some, yes. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:33, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

:P ——Serial^# 17:16, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gråbergs Gråa Sång, SN, there are a fair few outstanding points on the review. There isn't too much rush, but I'd like to close this off sooner rather than later, if you can work your way through. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 16:22, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry SchroCat, I'm getting—per Blackadder—buggered with a beetroot at FAC at the moment. Thanks for the detailed commentary and suggestions though, and thanks to Gråbergs Gråa Sång for doing the easy bits for me :) ——Serial^# 16:33, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, the joys of FAC. How I don't miss them at all - or the idiotic fumblings of the troll as he made a complete arse of himself in arguing over things he knows nothing about. I see little has changed in that respect since I stopped frequenting the place! - SchroCat (talk) 14:32, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well that's praise with faint damn, bugger yourself with a fishfork (also Blackadder). I may do a few more, but the weather outside is delightful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:30, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	See below.
	Generally: you need to check you ellipses, per WP:ELLIPSIS. OK, think I caught em all. It's also a little quote heavy, particularly where they aren't needed; one para has "an average character of my age, wearing a sports jacket"; "hoping the night wasn't being wasted"; "the first free Turkish bath I'd ever had"; "resembled a schoolteacher"; "total humiliation and embarrassment"; and "his heavy tweed suit and his heavy brogue shoes" – that's six for just the one para, and it's not untypical! Perhaps look at each of the quotes you've used and ask if it is needed – many can be rephrased in WP's own voice. Yes, rephrased quite a few... There are one or two places where you use first names after they have already been introduced (including for people like Jagger, of all people!) Yeah...think thta's done. Lead "Easton saw the band once ... and they soon signed": he saw and they signed? Check "including their first single, Chuck Berry's "Come On"": Makes it look like they were on the original: perhaps "a cover version of..."? Good idea, done. Musical context "British audiences were accustomed to American popular music.": A date or era context would be good. Specified post war. "Not only did the two countries": bit of a monster sentence! Could be broken in two with a semi colon as a minimum Oi Oi :) done, split totally. "1953.[1] and British": Keep the full stop and lose the "and" Uh. "TV": "television" on the first use Done. ~~"Davis notes": Who?~~ Early life Do we know anything about his family, background, schooling, etc? Nothing whatsoever; I scoured local papers, et., but no joy. Career with the RS ~~"Dick Rowe had heard of the Stones": who?~~ "Mick Jagger, in a 1975 interview": stubby para – can be merged with the one above, as both are views about Easton think someone's been playing silly buggers. Done. ~~You have The Beatles and the Beatles (and I can't remember which way the years-long RfCs/discussions/etc ended up)~~ "More basic,"[37] To emphasise": Comma should be a full stop Done. "that spring of 1963 he remained the Stone with": not "spring", per WP:SEASONS, and should be the Stones Not sure what footbally has to do with it?! But I've clarified the time of year if that's what you mean :) Gigs and production work ~~Rice Crispies should be Rice Krispies~~ Increasing fame Ditto on cover version for "Come On" Ditto done. "well-known faces around the country": perhaps just "well-known around the country"? Yes, they were hardly the Krays. "a nationwide tour was about to commence by Bo Diddley and the Everley Brothers": swap to "a nationwide tour by Bo Diddley and the Everley Brothers was about to commence" Good one. "In Summer 1963" SEASONS again Check. Problems in America "wanted to beat the shit out of you")[103][note 26]" Full stop needed Well spotted, done. "music program": as you're not American, it should be "programme" Aren't I? Done. "Autumn 1964" (twice) SEASONS again Right. Discontent Easton for his part reminded Oldham that, as far as he was concerned[124]": is there something missing here? It doesn't make sense as it stands and is missing punctuation at the end. Seems fine, it leads in the quote? "On the other hand, according to": merge into previous paragraph? Ditto re. Silly Buggers! Other work "Easton claimed to have managed the Dave Clark Five": Is this in doubt? "claimed" has connotations of not being true Ha, yeah. It's because that's sourced, via a newspaper interview, to easton himself, and yet—bizarrely!—I can't find a RS that also says so. Try googling `"eric easton" + "dave clark five"`: absolutely bugger all! Reputation "businesslike and practical[173] and "calm, dependable and knew": the "and ... and ... and" jars OK, tightened. That's the lot from me. Over to you.
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See wot you think SchroCat; sorry about the delay again. Hope all is well! ——Serial^# 16:02, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All good from me, after a quick, final brush up. Well done to both Gråbergs Gråa Sång and SN for your excellent work on this. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 19:18, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well done! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:42, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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