Talk:Eppur Si Muove (The West Wing)

Eppur Si Muove (The West Wing) was one of the Media and drama good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
June 10, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
December 21, 2007	Good article reassessment	Kept
July 18, 2021	Good article reassessment	Delisted

Current status: Delisted good article

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GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Eppur Si Muove (The West Wing)/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

This GA was super long ago, and I don't think this meets GA standards anymore. I have problems with the prose, reception section, and broadness. Pining @Bilorv for another opinion. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 19:53, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate the ping. Unsourced statements, no reception section, very limited references and the infobox image doesn't have sufficient detailed commentary in the body (the standard is that a critic needs to say "the use of wide cuts in this scene was great" or "this scene was difficult to film because of the physically small set" or whatever, and for most episodes a non-free image can usually not be used at all). It's a 2007 GA but not a 2021 GA (more like Start-class or maybe C-class). — Bilorv (talk) 20:44, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delist - further, it looks to me like the entire social and cultural references section is problematic. The connection with the Galileo quote is WP:OR (the source cited appears to have been published before this episode airs), the TVC stuff shouldn't be relying on the TCV as a source, and the last part is unsourced trivia. I'm not convinced that the WWEG source is particularly reliable, there's nothing about production, and there's nothing about reception. As it stands, we've got a plot summary and some trivia. Not very close to the GA criteria, IMO. Hog Farm _Talk 22:34, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Theleekycauldron, Maybe it's time to delist or keep the article? It's an individual reassessment so only you can close it. (t · c) buidhe 14:02, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And I think it's a pretty clear case of delist FWIW. — Bilorv (talk) 20:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's time. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 09:22, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Sweeps (Pass)

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, MASEM 22:54, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Nomination

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Eppur Si Muove (The West Wing)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

This article looks pretty decent to me - just a few things that need to be addressed under the Social and cultural references section before it can be passed for GA:

Line, "The title of the episode refers to the president quoting Galileo Galilei, leaving the Roman Inquisition after having recanted his heliocentric theory of the universe. "Eppur si muove" – "And yet it moves"." You should wikilink "heliocentric theory" to the article on heliocentrism.
Line, "The advocacy group "Traditional Values Alliance" is a poorly veiled version of the real-life "Traditional Values Coalition"." You appear to be abbreviating the "Traditional Values Coalition" as "TNC" throughout the article - surely this is a typo and it should be "TVC"? It's usually a good idea when using an acronym to put it in brackets beside its first appearance in the article i.e. "...a poorly veiled version of the real-life "Traditional Values Coalition" (TVC)".
~~Line "...an allusion to the virulently anti-gay pastor Fred Phelps". Use of the word "virulently" contravenes WP:NPOV; try to find an alternate wording - "stringently" perhaps?~~
Line "The scene with the First Lady interacting with the Muppets from Sesame Street is probably an in-joke, as Stockard Channing has previously been a character on the show." This is just speculation and, in the absence of a reliably sourced citation, should be removed.

Once you've addressed all of the above, let me know on my talk page and I'll have another look. Good luck! Joe King 15:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've marked the items I now think to have been addressed with a strikethrough. Just leaves one concern remaining - unless you can find a cite for Stockard Channing's appearance with the Muppets being an in-joke, you need to reword that paragraph. Joe King 13:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Which I now notice was fixed this morning! OK, I'm passing this article. Joe King 13:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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