Talk:Enloe High School

Assess

An excellent start article with some good references. With a little more content and a few pictures this could be a B. High importance as it is clearly a school of some national significance owing to its Newsweek ranking. Dahliarose 22:29, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

AudioLand

I'll save this from speedy deletion off it's own page before that is again deleted - unsuitable for direct inclusion, but may help develop article

"Audio Land, located in the heart of William G. Enloe High School. This is a place where students express themselves, make beats and raps, and even help edit and produce a the future Enloe Audio Radio Network. You may ask yourself, Why is this important? Well, Audio Land is an example of America's tax dollars at work. We have new and upcoming artists come in to record their music and play for us. We produce many beats that are used across the internet, as well as many raps from some of our top students. We are contributors not only to Jamglue and the Enloe Audio website ((http://start.enloeaudio.us)), but we are the future of America's radio programs and music world" Philipwhiuk (talk) 17:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Siemens paragraph

There are some errors.

• Hao Lian and Vivek Bhattacharya are now (since June 2008) alumni. Daniel Vitek is not.
• Our work was in bioinformatics and translation, not gene sequencing.
• We worked with Dr. Donald Bitzer and Dr. Anne-Marie Stomp, who should also receive credit.
• Also, we're not notable: the National Siemens Competition winners by and far usually never appear on Wikipedia year to year.

--Hao Lian (talk) 23:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

You guys might not be extremely notable, but your achievement was something notable for Enloe, and therefore it should be on the article. It is not like we are creating a seperate article for all this. Thanks Whaatt (talk) 17:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

• Enloe had nothing to do with our project besides the fact that that was our high school.
• It has nothing to do with Enloe "Technology."
• Dr. Donald Bitzer and Dr. Anne-Marie Stomp deserve the credit for our work. Put it on their articles if it's so notable.
• Our work was not in gene sequencing.

As it stands, the paragraph is scientifically fraudulent and wrong. I'd like to change it to

In 2007, three Enloe students, Vivek Bhattacharya, Hao Lian, and Daniel Vitek, placed second nationally in the Siemens Competition for their work on a computer model of ribosomal translation in E. coli with Dr. Donald Bitzer and Dr. Anne-Marie Stomp.

if nobody minds.

--Hao Lian (talk) 19:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

The problem is, according to the cited source, the work relates to gene sequencing. Quoting the N&O: "a computer model that helps scientists determine which gene sequences to use to produce specific proteins". E. coli is not mentioned in the source. However, I can see that the description would apply to prokaryotic translation, so I could see that being used as a link to be used for the production of proteins. That said, if you have a supplemental source that expands upon the project, we can use that for more detailed information. —C.Fred (talk) 03:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Hao - keep in mind that Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. It is unfortunate if the source has incorrect information, but we have no way to know that. Please feel free to find better sources, and also feel free to be bold and go ahead and edit the article yourself.  Frank  |  talk  03:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Notable Alumni

I don't see why this section should have been tagged as unsourced. Each of the entries are individuals who have their own wikipedia pages indicating reasons why they are notable, and that they were Enloe alumni. I did not see information indicating that their pages were undergoing significant dispute. So I've removed the unsourced tag, though if someone has a good reason it should be reinstated, that would be ok. JustinBlank (talk) 23:21, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• Except for the new addition, Destiny John, who doesn't seem to be notable at all. —C.Fred (talk) 04:52, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Her father is Daymond John the fashion designer, tv host, and businessman.. however, she is not an alumnus, as she has not graduated yet. Her senior year is this year (2010-2011). --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 23:33, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Bomb Threat?

I heard that their was a bomb threat at Enloe from a senior who goes there. Does anybody know of it this and, if its true, why it hasn't been put on the page under history? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.40.134.221 (talk) 22:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Several reasons: lockdowns for various reasons are common at Enloe (and other Wake County high schools); this is an encyclopedia, not a news source, and "a senior who goes there" sounds a lot like "Ferris Bueller is on his death bed". We actually need citations from reliable sources - but having them doesn't mean the information needs to be in the article anyway.  Frank  |  talk  22:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Teacher made national news

In the summer of 2008, one of Enloe's spanish teachers (Mrs. Giamoni) got lost in the mountains of California. This made national news and was on tv and newspapers across the country. She was found later and interviewed on local and national television. This was in the article but was later taken out. Should it be re-included? Tarheelz123 (talk) 20:01, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

No, because it's only tangentially related to the school. If she's notable in her own right - which she probably isn't under WP:ONEEVENT, then she could be linked somewhere in the article.

Now, if her Spanish class were to get lost on a school field trip, that would be relevant to the school and be suitable for inclusion. —C.Fred (talk) 20:41, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Another Gang Fight

Today, another gang fight occurred, early in the school hours. Should I put this in the article or not?Red Wiki 00:23, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Not. This is an encyclopedia, not a news site.  Frank  |  talk  02:20, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

True that, but if that's the case, why does this article state last years gang fight as well the whole ID badge policy?Red Wiki 00:57, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

To me, part of the difference is the advice to students not to walk alone on campus after last year's fight. If other unusual measures are taken after this year's, then we can include it. —C.Fred (talk) 01:41, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Picture?

What happened to the picture that was in the infobox? --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 00:07, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

It was deleted due to lack of licensing information. It doesn't look like Raleighwikiauthor (talk · contribs) is active to contact about it. Is anybody in the area who can take a picture of the school and license it under CC? —C.Fred (talk) 01:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I am currently a senior at Enloe, (and an Editor on the yearbook staff so i always have a camera) so I can take some pictures of the school's campus to put on here. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 01:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Charity Ball

I just removed a section about the Charity Ball because of two flaws: the tone was more promotional than neutral, and none of the sources were reliable and independent (either blogs or student council site). I've got a feeling we could get a good paragraph or two about the Ball, if we had some reliable sources. Anybody got anything? I'd think the News & Observer would have to have written about it at some point. —C.Fred (talk) 00:59, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Enloe Charity Ball has received media attention, such as their last one [1][2][3] in which they raised over $100,000, which is notable. This was also included in a report compiled by Principal Scott Lyons [4]. There is also coverage of older events as well [5][6][7][8]. Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 05:31, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

For future use: [9] - Indy beetle (talk) 20:45, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

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Student accomplishments

This is a running list of awards and/or accomplishments made by Enloe students. Once there is enough they should be added to the article. Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 06:08, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

• Senior wins Emmy [10]
• Students launch tech firm [11]
• Student creates websites and builds office [12]
• Student is one of twelve accepted into Julliard's dance program [13][14]

Concerning Wayne Burden as notable

WP:Notability (sports) states:

"Basketball figures are presumed notable if they[...]Have appeared in one game as either a player or head coach in the original American Basketball Association, Asociación de Clubs de Baloncesto, Euroleague, National Basketball Association, National Basketball League (Australia), National Basketball League (United States), Serie A, Women's National Basketball Association, or a similar major professional sports league."

Wayne Burden played basketball for one year for the Hobart Devils, which was part of the National Basketball League (Australia). What else is needed to prove his "notability"? Whether or not he already has an existing article is irrelevant. -Indy beetle (talk) 01:57, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Notable people

To be included in a notable people or alumni list on a school article, a person must be individually notable and must have attended the school. Per BLP, anything written about a living individual must have an inline source. An individual is definitely not notable strictly by association with something notable. SeeWP:INHERIT. Earlier an editor restored my removal of several individuals from the notable list at this school that were neither Wikilinked or referenced. This violates policy. Having people in alumni lists that do not have an article is not entirely unheard of, but you must show that they are unambiguously notable and that they attended the school with references. As I said above, being a part of a notable group does not show notability. Listing living people without any sort of a reference is simply not allowed. See NLIST and school article guidelines for further info. Indy beetle John from Idegon (talk) 02:42, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Pinging Indy beetle John from Idegon (talk) 02:54, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Athletics section

First, why should this section be titled "Athletic department" instead of just "Athletics" as it is on almost all school articles and which is the section title the guidelines indicate? Second, per WP:INFOBOX, the purpose of an infobox is "...to summarize ... key facts that appear in the article." Note that does not say section. The infobox used is intended for college sports program articles. The athletic director's name is not encyclopedic content (per guidelines). The schools colors and conference can and should be in the main infobox, along with the school song. We do not allow athletic department websites in the external link section, as they are generally linked from the school's webpage. I'm one of the coordinators of Wikiproject schools and watch over 5000 school articles. I've never seen this on any other article. Please explain why given that the infobox school athletics should stay. John from Idegon (talk) 02:53, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: Upon review I agree with the things you have said, and I appreciate you taking the time to explain your edits. I've also gone back to try and cite some of the alumni in the list. But I must ask, why remove the information about the schedule change? On its face it may not seem worthy for inclusion, but it was made after considerable debate and Enloe was the last school in the county to make the switch (this info was cited). -Indy beetle (talk) 03:25, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

The target audience of this page is the world, not the county. If you are prefacing something's importance on being the first in the community, then it isn't important enough to include. John from Idegon (talk) 03:27, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

@John from Idegon:This is a part of the school's history which was covered in a reliable secondary source. I'm confused by your narrow view on the scope. And its not about trying to establish the notability of the school, it's just providing a part of its history. There is certainly information about small towns and whatnot that would be relevant to the community but perhaps not to "the world" but are integral part of their history. Not trying to make a disruptive WP:POINT here, but I find that reasoning rather stringent. Also, what guidelines are you citing when you say "per guidlines" (when removing the info on the computer science team competition)? -Indy beetle (talk) 03:35, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

WP:SCH/AG as mentioned in the section above. The guidelines tell us that we should only discuss the highest of achievements. Winning, maybe second depending on the level of sourcing. Regarding the schedule issue, if it receives no coverage out of town, it isn't historic, its news. Issues about school schedules are very small potatoes, especially in a school article like this one where there is much solid coverage of really important issues like integration and the very well written timeline of the campus's growth. IMO, adding stuff of very local interest and short term importance brings this article down. WP:RECENT applies. FYI, I am going to reassess it as a "C" instead of a start, and it is very close to a "B", needing only more independent sources in the athletics section. John from Idegon (talk) 03:46, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: I do appreciate the cleanup. As for the guidelines, "winning" is obviously one of the "highest achievements", but they do not provide for a scope of what counts as "highest". This is indeed regrettable and ideally consensus should eventually be reached on that count. Yet for an international competition 5th place is certainly not a trivial ranking. Seeing as the guideline is vague on this count, I'll appeal to you to reach a consensus with me. Is 5th place not worth inclusion? -Indy beetle (talk) 04:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Again it depends on sources, and if you remember the guidelines say something (I forget what exactly and am pretty busy right now) about impact. So what sort of text would you like to see? And what sourcing is available? It is not uncommon for an exceptional achievement in an international competition that a congressman might introduce a resolution in the house or senate commemorating the achievement and of course that will get media coverage. John from Idegon (talk) 04:33, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Aye, you would think it would come up somewhere other than the executive summary (which, while certainly promotional in tone, isn't unreliable), but I haven't been able to find any. Well, I guess that undercuts it as a notable award. In that case I won't bother pushing for it. -Indy beetle (talk) 04:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Causing white flight

For future use:

• "Social network cohesion and the retreat from Southern vowels in Raleigh". Language in Society. DOI:10.1017/S0047404517000185

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Enloe High School's full name

The full name is claimed to be "William G. Enloe Magnet High School GT/IB Center for the Humanities, Sciences, and the Arts", and is sourced by Willthacheerleader18 using this school report. However, I found a newer school report that says "Enloe GT/IB Diploma Program Magnet High School." All mentions of the school name on their website use this name, or a shorter/similar name, such as "Enloe Gifted and Talented / International Baccalaureate Diploma Programme Magnet High School", "Enloe GT/IB Magnet High School", and "Enloe Magnet High School." From what I have seen, the most appropriate full name is "Enloe GT/IB Diploma Program(me) Magnet High School." Does anyone have something else in mind? TheGEICOgecko (talk) 20:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't have any opinions on the particular variations, only to say that the school website here still uses the full "William G." Enloe. Indy beetle (talk) 22:58, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Indy beetle, the link you have given directs to the school's history. The usage of William G. Enloe High School in this context appears to be used because it was the original name of the school. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 00:45, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I have changed the full name of the school to "Enloe Gifted and Talented / International Baccalaureate Diploma Programme Magnet High School." "William G. Enloe High School" and "Enloe Magnet High School" are shortened versions. The name I used came from their vision statement based off of personal judgement. If there is any reason as to why this may be inaccurate, I encourage you to discuss. Otherwise, I will remove the dubious template after some time.TheGEICOgecko (talk) 00:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Seems good to me. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 16:49, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

@TheGEICOgecko: It is worth noting that the front of the school says William G. Enloe High School. -Indy beetle (talk) 23:14, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

This could easily be that they have not updated the school name on the front of the school. It is much easier to update the name digitally than physically, and Enloe rarely refers to itself by its original name on their website. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 23:39, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

• I have a very hard time believing the proper title for the article isn't "Enole High School". Acknowledgement of rebranding, formal name, etc, can and should be discussed in the article if there are secondary sources for the discussion. But we should certainly look at an RM for the title. John from Idegon (talk) 02:16, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: As of 2010, according to this article, the school's name is William G. Enloe High School. The article is about an effort to completely change the name to something not including segregationalist William G. Enloe in the name. The name clearly still includes his name, and I have so far been unable to find any information that the school has officially changed its name at any point in time. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 02:10, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@TheGEICOgecko: Yes, the name was never changed. The school board backed away from that idea after a bunch of students declared their opposition and the rest of the public showed apathy at best. You can read more about that at William G. Enloe. I wrote that article ftr, and I do think it is unfair to characterize Enloe simply as a segregationist. -Indy beetle (talk) 02:44, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@Indy beetle: Yes, reading more about it, it does seem unfair, considering the morals of the time. Regardless, it seems that as of the moment, the article should keep its name. However, is there anything supporting the beginning part that says "Enloe Gifted and Talented / International Baccalaureate Diploma Programme Magnet High School"? It may be known as such, but if the official name is William G. Enloe High School, then perhaps the article should start off with "William G. High School, also known as Enloe Magnet High School..." However, I do not know of the specific rules pertaining to this matter. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 03:14, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@TheGEICOgecko: I think "William G. Enloe High School" is still the formal name (as evidenced by the 2010 dispute). The magnet program was introduced sometime in the 1980s. The Wake County Public School System website usually refers to Enloe in its posts as "Enloe Magnet High School". Thus, I think those two names work best in the lead. -Indy beetle (talk) 03:21, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

• I'm talking about the article title, which should be Enole High School, per WP:COMMONNAME (and common sense). John from Idegon (talk) 03:32, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't believe it's really common sense, considering "Enloe High School" is in no way official, but yeah, the policy definitely suggests the use of Enloe High School. Personally, I didn't even know Enloe was a magnet school until I edited the Wikipedia page, and I highly doubt people casually refer to it by a name more complicated than Enloe High School. Indy beetle, what do you think? TheGEICOgecko (talk) 03:51, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

@TheGEICOgecko: I think "Enloe High School" certainly falls under COMMONNAME. Most local news articles call it that. Tossing in the word "magnet" seems to be limited to official school system pages. That said, I think we should look for some consistency here before moving the title of the article, because numerous schools named after people have the full name incorporated into the page title e.g. Needham B. Broughton High School and a whole host of others listed here. -Indy beetle (talk) 00:13, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Indy beetle: Since we're in clear consensus, I'll go ahead and move the page. And yes, there are definitely many other school article names that are in question. I would definitely like to work on that in the near future. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 00:41, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@TheGEICOgecko: Err, perhaps I should've been more clear. I think the best thing to do would be to call an RfC on school naming conventions to see if there is wide consensus for a general naming practice for schools named after people. -Indy beetle (talk) 01:04, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Indy beetle: Is there a reason why schools named after people should be treated differently? As of the moment, there seems to be no exception to COMMONNAME, and schools named after people, just like every other topic, would be more recognizable if the title of the article is the common name, rather than the official name. I think an RfC should not be created unless there is a clear reason as to why the policy may need to be changed. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 03:42, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

• Indy beetle, if you oppose the move, undo it and we can start an RM. There isn't any special policy for titling school articles; COMMONNAME is the policy for naming articles, period. If you disagree with it, you are welcome to start a discussion at that page to change it. An entity's official name really isn't relevant. John from Idegon (talk) 04:06, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@TheGEICOgecko:@John from Idegon: I'm honestly quite apathetic to this particular move, and COMMONNAME is certainly sound reasoning which I don't dispute. However, I think the right thing to do before moving dozens—if not hundreds— of articles is to at least let a large audience know about it. And then there's an important matter here where there might be desired alternatives to COMMONNAME; think of how many schools there might be that are named after someone with the surname Williams, Rogers, Smith, Johnson, or any other common surname. In those instances it might be better to have a "Bob C. Rogers High School" and "Al Rogers High School" than "Rogers High School (Foo City, BarState)" and "Rogers High School (Bar City, FooState)" even if both schools are both locally referred to as "Rogers High School". -Indy beetle (talk) 04:23, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Indy beetle: Yes, that would definitely create a problem. However, I believe this is managable. If there is a particular common name that is used repeadetly, three possible things will happen when searching that name: No school would have used the common name and a disambiguation page appears, no school would have used the common name and a disambiguation page appears, or searching it will take me to another article. With this, it should be pretty easy, though time consuming, to move the pages. Unless there's a rule I am missing, there shouldn't be any reason why official names should used to avoid adding the city and state in the article name. I find it quite common for the state to be included in the article name, and it's not that uncommon for the city to be included too. Considering that schools generally don't use their full name often, people with a shallow familiarity of the school would be more likely to recognize a school from its article name if it includes the state then if it was the official name. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 20:58, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Hate Speech Controversy

There’s a big controversy currently about a currently unidentified student going onto the intercom and saying “Heil Hitler”. This is making national news and I feel is notable enough to be added 2600:1004:B047:12E3:418A:E746:AEAF:E5BB (talk) 03:23, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Enloe was not the first GSA in North Carolina

This page mentions that "Enloe was the first high school in the state of North Carolina to accommodate a student Gay-Straight Alliance." I followed the citation and the article is no longer accessible, and Enloe Eagle's Eye has not responded about my request for an archive search. That doesn't matter however, because this article: https://proconian.com/2019/05/20/early-90s-gsa-formation-reveals-community-prejudice-2/ claims otherwise. I will remove the section of the page. BigDipper4200 (talk) 15:39, 22 October 2023 (UTC)