Talk:Elmer Smith (baseball)

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Did you know... that in 1920, Elmer Smith (pictured) hit the first grand slam in World Series history?

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(20th century outfielder) to (20th-century outfielder)

Would there be any objection to moving this article to Elmer Smith (20th-century outfielder)? Since 20th and century are working together as a compound adjective before the noun outfielder, it should be hyphenated. Elmer Smith (20th century outfielder) would remain as a redirect to the new title. If there's a consensus, or at least no objection, I'll make the move in about a week. Thank you. SchreiberBike (talk) 03:24, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 03:08, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Elmer Smith - World's Champions

... that in 1920, Elmer Smith (pictured) hit the first grand slam in World Series history? Source: "Elmer Smith, 91, Outfielder Who Hit First Slam in Series". The New York Times. August 5, 1984.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Danny Kaleikini
- Comment: This is the second of two QPQs from that review.
  Requesting that this be saved for the special occasion of Game 1 of the 2022 World Series, which would mean the 00:00 UTC slot on October 29. (I love the image, Cleveland showed up in 1921 wearing uniforms that say "World's Champions".)

5x expanded by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 17:23, 10 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]

@Muboshgu: I hate to be the bringer of bad news, but I'm afraid that the special occasion request will have to be declined. Six weeks after September 10 (the date of the nomination) is October 22, which is one week before October 29. Special occasion requests normally can't be granted beyond six weeks from the nomination date. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:38, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I knew it had to be roughly six weeks, and I took that as an approximate. We're really gonna be a WP:BUREAUCRACY here? Do not follow an overly strict interpretation of the letter of policies without consideration for their principles – Muboshgu (talk) 04:53, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article meets requirements and a QPQ has been provided. I also didn't find any close paraphrasing. The hook fact about him being the first to hit a Grand Slam in the World Series needs a footnote after the exact sentence (right now the reference for it is in the subsequent sentence). As for the special occasion request, while your comment is noted, I would have been more willing to approve the request if it was just outside by a day or two rather than a full week. As a compromise, I could perhaps suggest that the article instead go up on October 7, the start of the MLB playoffs, which is also within the six week period. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:40, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Respectfully, no, that doesn't work for me. There were no "playoffs" in 1920 aside from the one series, and I've had this DYK in mind for months. I delayed doing it until now to time it for the World Series. The spirit of the rule prevented me from doing it then because I understand that waiting months is too long.

I've been around here long enough to see various DYKRULES bent and broken at will because Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. Case in point, I nominated Me and the Spitter for DYK on July 15, and it was suggested to be held for September 15, his birthday. Why can that DYK be held for promotion almost nine weeks after it was nominated, but this one can't wait seven weeks? I didn't care about that special occasion date, but I do care about this one.

I put a citation at the end of the hook fact sentence. I request other opinions on the special occasion date. Per The timeline limitations, including the six week maximum, may be waived by consensus, if a request is made at WT:DYK, I'll go there for that. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:19, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've closed, finding consensus in favour – the six week limit is waived :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:26, 14 September 2022 (UTC)'[reply]

Thank you, I appreciate it. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:33, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: Had your other concerns been adressed? –LordPeterII (talk) 11:14, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The special occasion request was my only concern. Given that there's consensus to IAR accept it I have no more issues. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:19, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]