Talk:Einstein family/Archive 1

Archive 1

Generations

Resolved

It seems that the generations are numbered in an unconventional order, with Albert and his sister belonging to the second generation, whilst his children belong to the first generation. Am I not understanding something here? Ohconfucius (talk) 07:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm very confused by it myself. Einstein also had a grandchild, Bernhard Caesar Einstein, who doesn't appear to be anyone on this page. Probably the best option would be to entirely rework this page. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 14:55, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I have re-ordered the table so that the generation numbers go up instead of down. Bernhard Caesar Einstein has been added to table sometime since the previous comment. Herostratus (talk) 15:08, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Errors

I think someone should check the credibility of reference three. That statement, simply put, doesn't make sense. Albert Einstein was born only in 1879, he would definitely not be two by June 1880. He would have been 1 year, three months old. It's in the Maja section. Albert was two(and a half) when Maja was born, a probable reason for the mistake. Small mistake, that's all. Hope you check it out. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.76.83 (talk) 19:26, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposal

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I am proposing that Pauline Koch, and Hermann Einstein be merged into this article. In both articles, the main claim to significance is being a parent of Albert Einstein. Per WP:PEOPLE, "Being related to a notable person in itself confers no degree of notability upon that person." The content, in my opinion, does not merit separate articles. Quasihuman | Talk 22:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Merging content now. Content merged. Quasihuman | Talk 20:09, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

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WP:BLPNAME

Should we name the living descendants of Einstein? These are Einstein's great grandchildren. Looking at WP:BLPNAME, I don't think that they have a close enough relationship to be named. They were almost all born after Einstein died. Quasihuman | Talk 12:08, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Lieserl

i am just curious whether it might be possible that 'lieserl' never actually existed? just an in-joke between spouses? (f.e. harry houdini and his wife fantasized together a whole life for their non-existent son in their letters) Selena1981 (talk) 00:22, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Speculation should be supported by proof.

Disputed

The Ancestors and Relatives section may need some work. It's only reference is to this tree at Geni, and it doesn't match, starting with the offspring of Moyses and Judith. Probably not the most reliable of sources, and there should be something better that's been published out there. Anyone? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 10:51, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Content Removed: Lieserl "Fourth Theory"

I removed a rambling, uncited, speculative passage about another Lieserl theory. I'm pasting it below in case the author wants to come back and clean it up.

Einstein's illegitimate daughter 'Lieserl': a fourth theory. In November 2009, British journalist Tim Symonds developed a 'Fourth Theory' to explain the mystery of Lieserl Maric-Einstein, born out of wedlock, who disappears from the world in September 1903, aged about 21 months. Symonds agrees with the widely-held belief that after a very difficult delivery the daughter was born with a serious mental handicap. This would explain the lack of photos and the extraordinary blanket of silence which immediately and permanently enveloped the child until she died and for decades beyond. Symonds speculates Lieserl was deliberately killed, an act of mercy-killing, with Albert Einstein's knowledge and consent but not his direct involvement in the act – Einstein never went down from Switzerland to Serbia to visit his daughter during her short life. The probable person who committed the act, Symonds suggests, was Milos Maric, father of Lieserl's mother Mileva Maric. Although mercy killing was not legal in the Austro-Hungarian Empire it was widespread and treated with sympathy. If a court found anyone guilty, it was almost always only a suspended sentence. Nevertheless, the fact a ‘sub-normal’ child was the reason family and relatives would want the matter completely hushed up. This Fourth Theory meets otherwise contradictory elements in the mystery. The other three tail out on examination - that she died of scarlet fever (why no death certificate?), that she was adopted (why no adoption papers or transfer of support money?) or she was put in a home for mentally handicapped infants (again, where? And who did the paying for this?) Phigknotpig (talk) 18:01, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

In fact Tim Symonds has a blog site on this theory. His Fourth Theory on eugenic euthanasia does have references and cannot be so easily dismissed. see https://alberteinsteinmystery.wordpress.com/ -Yohananw (talk) 20:35, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Robert Einstein

The article does not mention Robert Einstein, a cousin of Albert. Robert's wife and two daughters were murdered by German soldiers in August 1944 in Italy, while he himself escaped but committed suicide less then a year later. The murder case was re-opened by the German police in 2011. It was also the subject of a German documentary featuring two of Robert's nieces who were present in 1944 but survived. Plenty of reliable German sources on the topic (Die Welt: Die ewige Suche nach dem Mörder der Einsteins, Einsteins Nichten: Die tragische Geschichte von zwei Schwestern) but not so much in English. Turismond (talk) 06:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Lieserl Einstein

I have merged in the contents of the article Lieserl Einstein into this article, in a new section, to resolve a long-standing merge discussion.

Most people seemed to feel that Lieserl did not rate a complete article. The original proposal was to merge to into Albert Einstein, but as others pointed that article is already very long, as this is fairly peripheral information, so I merged it here instead, as another editor had suggested.

I merged in the complete contents of the article. Other editors had suggested that this material should be cut down quite a bit, and speculation removed. I have not done this, but other editors may wish to.

There was also the suggestion that material should be under the name "Lieserl Marić", since the Einsteins were not married. And if fact the German Wikipedia article uses this name. But the Spanish, Portugese, Finnish, and Indonesian Wikipedias use Lieserl Einstein. And the book about here uses Lieserl Einstein. So although it seems that Lieserl Marić would be technically correct, Lieserl Einstein is also a common way to refer to this person. If it's the most common way (I don't know, but probably is) that's what we should use.

I recast the article Lieserl Einstein as a redirect to this page, so if someone want to revert this, fine, but then I think Lieserl Einstein should go to AfD. Herostratus (talk) 14:45, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

the mystery of albert einsteins dauter still remains a mystery by londyn spencer

but poeple think lieserl died of scarlet fever because in a letter that albert sent a letter to mileva saying im sorry our dauter died I hope you will get over your sadness

I removed the date of death for Lieserl since the article states that it is unknown of she died of Scarlet Fever or was adopted. Even if she died of Scarlet Fever around September 1903 (and I think she did), the specific date of death is still unknown. What is known is the date of the last reference to her in the letters between Albert and Mileva. I wrote that her date of death unknown because a date of birth without a date of death on a Wikipedia article usually indicates that the person is still alive, and given that Lieserl was born one year before the oldest living person whose age is known, it is pretty certain that she is no longer living. If there is a letter indicating when Lieserl died, a source is needed to reference it in the article. Nine hundred ninety-nine (talk) 05:29, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Maja (Maria) Einstein

Infobox shows her as a (medical?) doctor, but text seem to list linguistic training. A bit strange. --Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 12:42, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

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1880?

Article currently says;

had moved from Ulm to Munich in June 1881, when Albert was one.

Albert would have been 2. The source link is in German. It says 1880 above (at Pauline Koch (Albert's mother), Early life).

MBG02 (talk) 22:30, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

His Religion

Hermann Einstein, was born into a Jewish family, but he converted to Protestantism in 1873. This decision was influenced by various factors, including his desire to advance socially and professionally in predominantly Protestant Germany. By converting, he hoped to increase his chances of finding better job opportunities and to avoid potential discrimination that was prevalent against Jews at the time. We know that Albert Einstein's father, Hermann Einstein, converted to Protestantism based on historical records and accounts. There are documented sources, such as family correspondence and official records, that confirm his conversion. Additionally, this information has been verified through research conducted by historians and biographers who have extensively studied the life and background of Albert Einstein and his family. While the exact reasons for Hermann's conversion may not be explicitly stated in these sources, the fact of his conversion is well-documented. 2600:8802:4202:7C00:9959:AE6F:E688:9887 (talk) 20:27, 28 August 2023 (UTC)