Talk:Effie Maud Aldrich Morrison

Source

Googling "Roosevelt colony Millville" in Google Books gives lots of snippet views including this one:

Coronet - Volume 24, Issue 2 - Page 168

https://books.google.com/books?id=pa5UAAAAYAAJ 1948 - ‎Snippet view - ‎More editions A brief tour of Roosevelt Park reveals that the Colony is a one-woman miracle. That woman is Mrs. Effie ... Through the '20s she was active in volunteer charities in Millville, where she had settled with her family. In 1933, by then a widow, Effie ...

Not quite what you need, I know. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 16:47, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 16:51, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

"Colony for Aged Association, Roosevelt Park, Millville. Parties with sufficient income to main tam selves may build homes not to ex ceed $5000 on land donated. Community House for recreational purposes. Rent and tax exempt for life. At death, house becomes property of Association and may be rented at a nominal sum by people over 65 years of age." from Directory of Social Welfare Institutions and Agencies in New Jersey, Volume 4, New Jersey. Dept. of Institutions and Agencies, The Department, 1952 [1] Smallbones_(smalltalk) 16:57, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

I get 3 hits (one I added to the article) in Newspaper searches [2] and [3] too bad the picture of her is so washed out :( Could not find an obit in either Google News or Newspapers.com for the date given in Find A Grave March 29, 1957. I also find a book snippet: Mrs. Effie Morrison, the superintendent, who was a social worker among the aged had a vision of such a home and it is through her faith, ... https://books.google.com.mx/books?id=Fzg4AQAAIAAJ The Training School Bulletin - Volumes 41-42 - Page 15 SusunW (talk) 07:03, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Later life

The additional citations I am working on in research and will have in a few hours.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:36, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

@Alansohn: Done with citations and references. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:05, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Roosevelt Park pix

I drove by yesterday and got some pix, and uploaded 4 of them. These should be from the original 13 houses, but no guarantees. I've got about 5 more that I didn't upload, but they all look pretty much alike. The lady in the office gave me a current brochure and a 1975 brochure, so there might be some stray facts in them if you want them. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 14:26, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for picture = it enhances the article a lot. Don't think I need the brochure, since I have got most everything I need online already.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:26, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Gallery of pictures look real good "packed". Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 17:38, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Original research

I've added the "Original research" clean-up template because the article is almost entirely cited to original research. Even the author says above he is "working on in research". Who makes the connection between Effie Aldrich in a birth record and the Effie M Aldrich in the 1880 Census and the wife of Carl Viets Griffin and the wife of Edward Carlton Morrison and, for that matter, the death of Effie Morrison in 1957 (cited to some unidentified source on Ancestry.com)? Synthesising lots of original documents to create a life history is 'original research'. No dount Morrison is a notable woman, but if someone wants to piece together her life history then Wikipedia surely isn't the first place to publish it. Sionk (talk) 19:44, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

I think much of this comes under heading of primary documents rather than original research. The "Life" and "death" sections are sourced essentially from primary documents. But some use of primary sources is allowed.

The main section "Roosevelt Park" is well documented from secondary and tertiary sources. So, @Sionk: how much of the "life" and "death" sections do you want to take out? How much do you think it would benefit the article or the encyclopedia to take it out. It seems a shame not to report her birthplace/date/parents when we clearly know this data. But do not even think about taking out anything from the "Roosevelt Park" section!

Smallbones_(smalltalk) 20:35, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I believe some use of primary sources is allowed.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:21, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Primary sources are allowed, but not forming your own conclusions based on conjecture from original documents. I still don't see evidence of a reliable source that says Effie Morrison was born Effie Aldrich, or Effie Morrion was married twice, to Carl Griffin and Edward Morrison, or Effie Morrison was born in Massachussetts (etc). If that was the case then maybe, just maybe, it would be okay to corroborate it using original documents. Sionk (talk) 23:09, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

I see a well-referenced article that is linked to WP:RS. That some of these are original documents, i.e., a birth record that is certified and would be admissible in any court, does not disqualify them here. Indeed, the bare assertion that Effie Morrison might share a birthday with another "Effie Morrison" is WP:OR, and highly unlikely. Indeed, that this is all connected via Ancestry.com lends some credence. Let Sionk bring his proofs. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:07, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

You're being daft now. Information on Wikipedia should be verifiable. It's not up to anyone to prove it's not verifiable. I've still had no answer from the author how they got the links between these disparate names and events, other than by original genealogical research. Sionk (talk) 11:45, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

I have trimmed it down to just a Biography section. I have furnished the appropriate references. If you could be specific on what you are speaking of, then perhaps I could get you something further. Or, here is another idea -> just pull out what you definitely think is not appropriate for primary sources. Maybe others will add back in later with primary source documents or further references.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:55, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

I was hoping you would say she has been profiled, or written about somewhere. Apparently not. I agree, a short article saying she was deputy director of the Cumberland County Welfare Board, originated the first 'colony for senior citizens' and won two awards, would be perfectly acceptable. It's not up to us to research people's entire life history, drawing our own conclusions from original documents. I'm surprised this got through DYK! Sionk (talk) 12:19, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

I suggest you read WP:Recentism and add that to your cogitation process. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:19, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

That makes even less sense. She allegedly died almost 60 years ago. Recentism concerns inflating the importance of recent events or current topics. Sionk (talk) 14:15, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

It is your bias. That you do not see the connection only proves the point. In any event, it is not a WP:Dead horse. And I'm outahere. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:30, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Birth

• Original data: Massachusetts Vital Records, 1840–1911. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, Massachusetts
• Massachusetts Vital Records, 1911–1915. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, Massachusetts

Name: Effie Maud Aldrich

Gender: Female

Birth Date: 2 Jan 1876

Birth Place: Chicopee, Massachusetts, USA

Father: Henry E Aldrich

Mother: Elizabeth Sauphea

--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:15, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

What source tells you this is the same person as Effie Maud Morrison? Sionk (talk) 20:30, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

I believe I have that in reference #8 ("Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Marriage Index). --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:19, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Also Ref #15 (Cook, Jim. "Roosevelt Park celebrates 75th anniversary") says, Effie Aldrich Morrision, the deputy director of the Cumberland County Welfare Board, conceived the idea of a colony for aging individuals on a tax-exempt tract of land existing in the southern part of Millville. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:23, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Great Grand Daughter Here

Hello and a huge THANK YOU to Doug Coldwell for this Wikipedia entry. Imagine my delight when I found it. I am Effie's great granddaughter. Anything you need to verify I am available. Everything in the article is the truth. (For the naysayers, I can prove I am a granddaughter) Thanks 73.194.76.183 (talk) 16:56, 25 May 2016 (UTC) Bonita Joy Morrison

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Effie Maud Aldrich Morrison/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 13:48, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Comments

• "in the United States," no need to link.
•  Done

• "Cumberland County Welfare Board" any link for Cumberland County?
•  Done

• "Massachusetts on January" comma after Mass.
•  Done

• "(1871-1954)" en-dash.
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• "Aldrich(1880-1970)," space before ( and en-dash.
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• "got a job as an " ->"was employed as an"
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• "Building. the two were" The.
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• "Philadelphia in 1915" the following year.
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• "and in 1917 her" and the next year
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• "and she was running" no need for "she".
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• "In May of 1931" May 1931.
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• "her son have filed for" -have.
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• "where she came up with a concept " where she developed a concept.
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• "initiated a series of contacts" what does that mean?
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• "who passed the concept" what does that mean?
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• "Leon Henderson. Henderson" repetitive.
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• "the Roosevelt Administration" not sure Admin needs a capital A.
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• "He transmitted the idea to First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt, who shared the concept with her husband" ehhh?? So, the idea was shared amongst a bunch of people. I'm not sure we need the Chinese whisper version here!
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• "Thence" bit archaic.
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• "the Works Progress Administration as" put (WPA) after this.
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• "spent $30,000 to build" inflate.
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• "town of Millville, which" overlinked.
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• "300 acres" convert.
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• "cottage style" hyphenate.
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• "for $7 per" etc etc, inflate.
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• Link "stroke".
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That's all I have Doug, enjoy. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:06, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for review. I'll get started on resolving the issues tomorrow, after a good night's sleep.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:14, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: Couldn't resist. Addressed all the issues today. Can you take another look at it. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:20, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

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