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A fact from Edgar Williams appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 12 October 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Edgar Williams, Bernard Montgomery's intelligence officer, was an Oxford don who hated soldiering as a profession?

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B class review

B class easily. Some minor edits were made. I have a question about this clause, "oldest son of (Joseph) Edgar Williams, a clergy, and his wife". Shouldn't this be "clergyman"? Or is this one of those rare differences between English-English and American-English? When I see the word "clergy" I usually understand it to mean "the body of all clergypersons". Djmaschek (talk) 03:52, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to "clergyman". Just an error on my part. I was about to say what sort of clergyman he was, but there's no Wikipedia article on it, and I left it in mid-sentence. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:17, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Djmaschek (talk · contribs) 20:29, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Initial review comment

I plan to GA review this article. Djmaschek (talk) 20:29, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Review 1

For B class reviews, I usually fix typos and other minor errors. For GA reviews, the nominator gets to fix all errors, however trivial. If you disagree, please argue your case. Djmaschek (talk) 21:29, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done (1) Well-written, (2) Verifiable, (3) Broad coverage, (4) Neutral, (5) Stable, (6) Illustrated.
In my opinion, the two-sentence introduction is too brief for a GA class article. For example, there is no mention of (1) the fact that he was one of the very few persons who were privy to the Ultra secret, or (2) his work with Rhodes scholars (Rhodes House means nothing to me, nor to most Americans, I'm guessing), or (3) that he was retained by Montgomery as an intel officer.
Y Added bits about this. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Early life, paragraph 1: "where here played soccer" (he).
Y Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
North Africa, paragraph 1: "sent to the Cyrenaica" (the? I've never seen it referred to as "the Cyrenaica".)
Y Deleted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
North Africa, paragraph 2: "The appointment of de Guingand, an officer with no experience in intelligence, said much about the state..." The sentence sounds as if it is entirely about de Guingand. I wonder if you really mean: "The appointment of Williams by de Guingand".
Y Re-worked to make my point more clearly.
Just curious: who was the DMI fired for not correctly forecasting? (This does not need to be included.)
Brigadier Eric James "John" Shearer. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
North Africa, paragraph 4: Use of the word "cossetted". My memory of reading about the desert war comes up with the word "corsetted" instead. Can you double check?
Y Ooops! Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
North Africa, paragraph 4: "Williams suggested that the two could be separated, then it might be possible to break through the Italian forces." (add "if" after "that")
Y Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Northwest Europe, paragraph 1, sentence 2. Capitalize first word (when > When).
Y Capitalised. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All good. I will promote to GA class. My apologies about the delay. Djmaschek (talk) 23:09, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 14:38, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Edgar Williams, Bernard Montgomery's intelligence officer, was an Oxford don who hated soldiering as a profession? Source: De Guingand (1947). Offine I'm afraid.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Temperate Grassland of South Australia

Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:08, 16 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Hi Hawkeye7, review follows: article promoted to GA on 15 September; article is well written and cited inline throughout; sources used look reliable, though perhaps de Guignand's 1947 work might be a little close to the subject in personal terms and time it is used sparingly and the quote, which is the source for the hook, is attributed; I didn't pick up any overly close paraphrasing form the sources I accessed; hook is interesting, mentioned in the article and cited, AGF on offline source; I added a link to Don_(honorific)#Academia as I am not sure how well known the term is outside the Commonwealth (except perhaps from the Godfather!); a QPQ has been carried out; looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 08:06, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]