Talk:East London

Primary use?

A large number (100+) of links relating to East London, England are now pointing to this page. This is not the first time this has built up. Perhaps we should reconsider the primary use of this naming and relocate East London, England to East London and move the disambiguation page to East London (disambiguation). If there is support I will request a move. MRSC • Talk 16:51, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I am going to disagree as East London is also a major city. Also, not all of the links are necessarily referring to the East of London. Simply south (talk) 17:06, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't think it should be moved either as East London is the name of the South African city, while the eastern part of London is simply an amorphous term, much as any settlement can have a geographical North, South, East or West. If we had an article on South Georgia it would be about the island in the South Atlantic, not the southern part of the US state or the Caucasian country. If we had an article about West Virginia, it would be about the US state, not the western part of the south African town. Booshank (talk) 21:40, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I just started moving the damn things - a handful represent the SA city - nearly 200 reference the geographic amorphity ... (ironic) thanks for all the hard work you put in on this decision. Kbthompson (talk) 00:27, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm very much in favour of making East London, England the primary link. My reasons: the relative quantity of internal links; the relative populations of the 'major' SA city and the 'geographic amorphity' (1:3); the fact that one is significantly older than the other; and the fact that one is clearly named after the other. 86.2.48.247 (talk) 14:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Disambiguation for guidelines. Arguments about the number of internal links are irrelevant, this reflects the existing systemic bias. Generally, if there's not consensus about which is the primary topic, none should be chosen. In this case, I'd go for the city as the primary topic, but the 'geographic amorphity' usage is common-enough term to warrant a disambig page. Greenman (talk) 15:07, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

There are several internal links going to East London while they are clearly about the South African city. I fixed a couple of them but there are probably more. The fact that for a lot of people the SA city is more known than the UK neighborhood would make me a proponent of a regular disambiguation page. - FakirNL (talk) 10:49, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

It's 2021, and I believe that the move was a mistake. WP:NOPRIMARY and WP:WORLDVIEW would indicate that this should be a disambiguation page. It has a population that seems to exceed that of the nebulously defined eastern part of London Park3r (talk) 09:15, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

In case anyone is still interested: I corrected 174 "East London" links from UK to Africa, mainly in 2020 but also later as they arose. I'm sure other editors will have made similar fixes. Certes (talk) 23:43, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Restored from loss

Three years ago this article got redirected to the "similar article" North East (London sub region). However, two months ago that article was subsequently itself redirected to List of sub regions used in the London Plan, meaning that we completely lost any article talking about east London as a whole. I've repaired the damage by restoring this article from its history at the point before the original redirection was made. It can probably be improved by copying more recent material from the last version of the "North East" article.  — Scott • talk 12:08, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Suburbs

It is misleading to refer to the various settlements in 'East London' that aren't in the E postcode district as suburbs that were built up after the introduction of the E postcode. Some of these so-called suburbs are very old (Essex) towns and villages mentioned in the Domesday book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.135.239 (talk) 16:53, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

East End

"The East End is the inner core of East London. Both are usually understood to be east of the City of London and north of the River Thames which corresponds to the following boroughs:"

This is gobbledegook.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_End_of_London makes it clear that the East End is part of East London.

Will correct to make it clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.163.160 (talk) 11:50, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Greater London

Why should mentions of "Greater London" be removed? The entire part of East London not only includes the easternmost extent of London, but also towns near the city like Ilford, Woodford, Barking, Dagenham, Romford etc. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 13:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

East London does not have an official definition. Greater London is a specific, formally defined area. The areas you mention are indeed part of northeastern Greater London and are often described as part of London and east London. Describing east London as "the northeastern part of London" rather than "the northeastern part of Greater London" does not necessarily exclude these areas, unless you do not perceive them as part of "London". PlatinumClipper96 (talk) 16:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

But East London IS in Greater London. If we just say "London", readers might think its just the northeastern part of the city itself (by the E postcode), with the rest of the areas like Ilford, Dagenham, Barking, Romford, Hornchurch as being "Essex". Not to mention that Romford is already being misinterpreted as being part of that county today. These areas are "towns", while London is a city. If these areas are deemed as just suburbs, then you can say it is in London itself; but since they aren't, then it would not be right to just say "London". ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 16:23, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

It is clear that "London" can refer to an area much wider than the London postal district. Towns can be suburbs, and east London is comprised of many such towns. The article details the boroughs in which these areas are located, and makes clear that east London is comprised of areas in the historic counties of Essex and Middlesex - an area which contains these suburbs. East London and London do not have strict definitions and are both open to interpretation; your definition of "London" does not seem to include the areas you mention. Greater London, however, is a specifically defined area.

I note you have once again reverted a revert to your bold edit, this time commenting "Please stop edit warring. We must get to the bottom of this discussion before we can either change or keep it like this". You made the initial bold edit. If your bold edit gets reverted, you should discuss your proposed edit with the person who reverted your edit as per WP:BRD. PlatinumClipper96 (talk) 16:54, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Not to mention that Romford is already being misinterpreted as being part of that county today. I don't see what you are seeing there. How so? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:04, 18 November 2024 (UTC)