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On 1 June 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from National Republican Greek League to EDES. The result of the discussion was moved.

Rename article

As per this discussion, based on WP:NAME and WP:UE, I suggest renaming the article to "National Republican Greek League" or "National Democratic Greek League", preferring the former, since "Δημοκρατικός" in this case stood for "Republican" rather than "Democratic" in its wider sense. The same procedure is suggested for the relevant articles on EAM, ELAS and EKKA. If you have contributed to this or the above articles, please state your view. Regards, Cplakidas 18:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As five days have passed without objections or comments, I am proceeding with renaming these articles. Regards, Cplakidas 13:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Misuse, pov and or concert

The recently added section of 'collaborationism' is the definition of source misuse, pov concert & snippet abuse:

Using the memoirs of Stefanos Sarafis, a leader of the ELAS that time, is far from considered wp:rs, the only thing it proves is that EDES was accused by ELAS (which is real).
Snippet misuse of this source: [[1]], the work mentions that EDES was accused by ELAS, not the The Century Foundation.
snippet abuse in this case: [[2]], Zjarri claims that the source says: "The Athenian EDES was collaborating with the quisling government and the Germans", while he intentionally forgots that the full quote says "the KKE opened a press attack on Zervas with a charge that the Athenian EDES was collaborating with the quisling government and the Germans". Again ElAS accuses EDES.
Misuse of Kretsi, since she doesn't mention the term 'collaboration' but 'armistice' which is something diferrent.
Misuse of this book [[3]], 'that says that EDES has also some covert support by Germany', while the article says: Along with the British government the German authorities in Greece provided covert assistance to EDES, which increased the quality of the armament of the group (I wonder how covert support can be interpreted as such).
Cherry picking this source: [[4]] While it says that Gonatas "won the enmity of EDES" due to collaboration initiatives, this is cerafully hidden in order to present EDES as a collaborationist organization.

To sum up EDES was accused by ELAS for collaboration. That's what all the sources say [[5]] Alexikoua (talk) 20:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent analysis. I am in complete agreement. Athenean (talk) 21:03, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK about Sarafis but please stick to the sources about the rest and don't make or deductions. Btw can you provide the link about KKE accusations since you hadn't added it in your version and Kretsi says pact of mutual assistance.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 21:05, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I've provided additional bibliography which clearly says that this was about accusations, it could be true could not + an analysis about specific facts.Alexikoua (talk) 21:07, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(unindent)The title at the very least should be changed since it's not about just accusations. Gonatas was a collaborator, not just someone who was accused of collaboration and they did have a pact of mutual assistance against ELAS.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 21:15, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is a huge difference between accusations of X, and X itself. Also, a single individual does not mean an entire organization was collaborationist. Athenean (talk) 21:21, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

By the way a 'gentlements agreement' or an 'armistice' can't be termed 'collaboarion'. For example ELAS had also on specific occasion signed an armistice with the Occupation forces.Alexikoua (talk) 21:43, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The so-called "Athens EDES", led chiefly by former Venizelists like Pangalos and Gonatas, certainly collaborated with the Germans, and played a role in founding the Security Battalions (I'll try to find my Fleischer book, he has some good info on this). This much is undisputed. However the "EDES of the Mountains" did not collaborate, and broke off all relations with the Athens clique. Zervas after all was in the pay of the British, not the Germans ;) Constantine ✍ 22:29, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Facts of collaboration of EDES with German Forces

1)The notebook of German General http://www.tovima.gr/politics/article/?aid=574913

2)The Book of H.F Meyer http://www.hfmeyer.com/english/publications/edelweiss/

The article in Wikipedia is just Propaganda. Nothing more, nothing else.Istoria1944 (talk) 18:41, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I fail to see a single word about collaboration in the above link (only HF Meyer counts as academic). If you mean "gentelman's agreement" that's something else.Alexikoua (talk) 20:36, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 June 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 09:17, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

National Republican Greek League → EDES – Similar to the related proposed move for ELAS, this organization is more known by its acronym than by the English translation of its name. For example, in Steven Bowman's book The Agony of Greek Jews the text first introduces this organization in the text on page 72 with the acronym. An additional complication is that some sources translate the name as National Democratic Greek League, but all use the acronym "EDES". There's no other topic with a Wikipedia article called "EDES", which already redirects here. (t · c) buidhe 13:08, 1 June 2021 (UTC)—Relisting. -- Calidum 03:33, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

support per nom—blindlynx (talk) 13:37, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.