Talk:Donald Ross (golf course architect)

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Not moved, 6 September 2023, from Donald Ross (golfer) to Donald Ross, see discussion.
Moved, 24 November 2023, from Donald Ross (golfer) to Donald Ross (golf course architect), see discussion.

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all the courses need to be listed that he worked on. if it is only some donald ross courses the listing should be "SOME donald ross designed courses" not "donald ross designed courses". BrandlandUSA 22:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The wording of "Donald Ross Courses"

I'm not all that bothered, since the headline does not say "All Donald Ross Courses" ... but I have added a snippet phrase I think is within bounds ("not a comprehensive list"). The first person who can claim that the course they add (I added Sedgefield, so I can assume there may be one more) can remove the phrase. Back in the day, with Ross rambling around the country, I doubt if anyone--even biographers--can say with certainty which courses he "worked on" and which he didn't. Lontjr 17:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 11:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Additional references

I added several additional references while also reorganizing the article to include new sections such as design elements and subsections like a list of all of his courses and his results in major championships.Cubby1999 (talk) 16:53, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 27 August 2018 and 15 December 2018. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Cubby1999. Peer reviewers: Kboback, MSan123. Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 19:42, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 September 2023

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 19:27, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. A google search produces topics related to the golfer course architect. Even though he died in 1948, he still dominates the page views for Donald Ross and similar pages: [[1]]. As such he is the primary topic with respect to both usage and long-term significance. Nigej (talk) 06:45, 6 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 12:16, 15 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Edward-Woodrow • talk 14:24, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. There are 13 "Donald Ross" and 9 "Don Ross" entries listed upon the Donald Ross/Don Ross disambiguation page — too many for the article delineating the golfer to be primary over the combined notability of the remaining 21 Donald Ross/Don Ross entries or even the 12 remaining standalone Donald Ross entries. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 07:16, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. In "Primary Topics" there are two criteria that are relevant. The first one pertains to usage. The golf course architect fulfills this criterion, in my mind, as, on a normal day, he gets 6X as many page views as any other Donald Ross. The other criterion deals with "long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term." There are many other contemporary Donald Rosses. The architect gets way more hits than all of them and his wiki page is the probably the most comprehensive. (The only one close is naval captain Donald K. Ross.) Roman Spinner notes that there are a lot of Don Rosses out there. I'm not sure if that's relevant. I have read/heard Ross' name referenced in media probably several dozen times over the decades and not once have I heard the golf course architect referred to as "Don Ross." Oogglywoogly (talk) 19:39, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Oogglywoogly[reply]

Relisting comment: for further inputs – robertsky (talk) 12:16, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Support~~ Oppose. Either the American judge or the Scottish judge alone should surpass the golf course designer in historical significance. BD2412 T 00:20, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @BD2412: Do you mean to oppose then? -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:58, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Necrothesp: Yes, yes I did. BD2412 T 15:00, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, no PRIMARY by long-term significance.--Ortizesp (talk) 01:37, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No primary topic by long-term significance. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:56, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 24 November 2023

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The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 17:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Donald Ross (golfer) → Donald Ross (golf course architect) – Ross is primarily notable as a golf course architect, not as a golfer. See: List of golf courses designed by Donald Ross and Category:Golf clubs and courses designed by Donald Ross. We have a number of similarly name articles, eg Tom Dunn (golf course architect), Robert Lawrence (golf course architect) so the style disambiguation of is already used, per WP:CONSISTENT. An alternative would be to move to Donald Ross (architect), per WP:OVERPRECISION. Nigej (talk) 08:19, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. The provided examples confirm that the parenthetical qualifier "(golf course architect)" is in use along with Category:Golf course architects. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, per nom and the emphasis shown in the article's lead. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:45, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Yes, it makes sense as he wasn't really much a golfer, just a designer of golf courses and clubs. 120.28.224.32 (talk) 21:13, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support: As a I stated in the previous post, I have heard Ross' name mentioned dozens (if not hundreds) of times in the media over the decades and it is always as a "golf course architect" (or some variation of that) and never as "golfer." The qualifier should clearly change. Oogglywoogly (talk) 00:56, 28 November 2023 (UTC)Oogglywoogly[reply]
Why shouldn’t the page move to Donald Ross (golf)? Keeping it simple and encompassing his career rather than being too specific. Jhick04 (talk) 15:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The "Golf course architect" is a qualifier in use, so I do support that. 120.28.224.32 (talk) 16:25, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I look, the (golf) qualifier is used occasionally for biographies: Barry Goldstein (golf), Gary Adams (golf), George Cobb (golf), William Langford (golf). Of these Cobb and Langford are described as golf course designers. WP:NCSPDAB gives some advice, but includes both "the sport itself" i.e. (golf) and (golf coach) as examples. It also says "The style used should be consistent within each sport." which clearly isn't the case at the moment. Nigej (talk) 17:08, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I know that the qualifier "golf course architect" is in use, the only five known are Tom Dunn, Robert Lawrence, Ted Robinson, Barry Serafin & Dick Wilson. Another qualifier to use can be Donald Ross (golf course designer) or (designer). Golf seems too simple for me. 120.28.224.32 (talk) 23:02, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.