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Concerning the translation of "Kyousei"

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I notice there's some kind of editing war that got this page locked and looked into it. As someone who lives in Japan, I thought it might be worth sharing what I know of the subject. The kanji used in the title can indeed be translated as either Symbiosis or Union, but its usage as Union is very rare. Generally if it was to be translated as Union, it would literally be in the sense of a Symbiotic Relationship/Union. If the title was meant to have the other possible connotations of unity that the word Union in English implies, there is a huge host Japanese words that have these broader meanings.

Some Sources:

It's notable that the only Japanese word that means Symbiosis is the word used in the title here, Kyousei. Until further sources from Toei can be confirmed for the official localized title, I would err on the safer side of using Symbiosis, or at the very least mark it as disputed due to Union being somewhat misleading information. DJinn (talk) 09:09, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

re: Concerning the translation of "Kyousei"

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Wataru Kobayashi of manga.tokyo has "Kyousei" translated as "Coexistence."

Source: https://manga.tokyo/news/digimon-adventure-tri-chapter-5-coexistence-second-trailer-and-preview-stills/

2601:243:481:2CC0:2406:9169:8CA5:CEAC (talk) 21:55, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]


Crunchyroll simulcast thread: "Hey everyone, some of you may have already seen the news, but the next arc of Digimon Adventure tri: Coexistence (episodes 18-21) is now up on Crunchyroll for members..."

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-1001735/fall-2017-simulcasts

2601:243:481:2CC0:591B:531F:E22E:A542 (talk) 02:35, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Poster note

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Just fyi, We may need posters for all 6 movies at some point. Cards84664 (talk) 13:57, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think just the one promotional poster summarising the entire series will do just fine. Wonchop (talk) 19:30, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The only way I can see six posters happening is if each film are independently notable enough for separate articles.--70.27.231.140 (talk) 04:14, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Is there an english language poster that can be used in place of the Japanese one on the page? Ma808 (talk) 21:53, 15 August 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.75.122.154 (talk) [reply]

Joshua seth, Brianne Siddall, Michael Reisz & Lara

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Hey guys, some the voice actors and actresses are interested in taking part of this amazing Digimon trilogy that being dub, and these links are proof of that fact as such:

Michael's confirmation will also be here soon, so for now, this is all that I gather so far, and I hope it helps! :) Norozco1 (talk) 21:13, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The first two result in 404s. The last one is hardly confirmation of anything - it's speculation at best, and besides she's definitely not in tri. Gistech (talk)
OK, I see you're point, but what about this post that shows a preview of the Digimon Tri movie at the Anime Expo:

I know that it's not much, but it's what the people know so far from the anime expo, ya know! :/ Norozco1 (talk) 22:36, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No direct proof, no use here. Simple as that. Cards84664 (talk) 22:58, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I just updated the link to Joshua Seth's Confirmation, and this time I know that it's a direct proof that he's gonna be in it for sure! ;) Norozco1 (talk) 01:27, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Here's your cast announcement [1] None of the four actors you mentioned are listed, except for Seth who was announced in a later post. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:10, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reunion DVD in English Dub

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Are they going to put full movie or episodes (Like Japan) in DVD? I like full movie better than episodes — Preceding unsigned comment added by YamiYugi (talk • contribs) 04:09, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Genre Note

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Use and cite reliable sources to identify genre/s, not personal interpretation. Please don't include more than three genres (per MOS:A&M). 2601:243:481:2CC0:51C9:5E97:367:5EB1 (talk) 00:22, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have some valid information concerning the English voice actors for their respective characters Matrixwade92 (talk) 06:23, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

https://kitsunesfoxfire.tumblr.com/post/170782980337/digimon-adventure-tri-voice-actors-confirms-i#notes Matrixwade92 (talk) 06:23, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Italicized credits

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Per MOS:NOITALIC, italics are used for titles, not voice credits. I would like to ask this specific IP user to stop reinstating them in the cast list. Sk8erPrince (talk) 07:35, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why I was pinged in the edit summary, but I have reverted the use italics for voice actors as well. I do not see how the use of italic matches any of the use cases outlined in MOS:ITALICS. If noting returning voice actors is important to the work, then it should use one of the footnote marks instead. However, I do no think noting returning voice actors warrants such notation. If this nonsense continues, I will file a request for semi-protection if Sk8erPrince does not beat me to it. —Farix (t | c) 14:03, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Usage of Japanese names

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I feel like it is unnecessary to also include the JP names in the cast list, as the dub does not use those names, but the English names from the original English dub many years ago. Sk8erPrince (talk) 08:41, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The names should stay because they were featured in multiple English releases, even if they are subtitles. - 49.146.39.94 (talk) 08:58, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Link to pending 3rd party-arbitration request: Active disagreements — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.146.39.94 (talk) 09:01, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please also note this request for page protection filed about 30 minutes before this thread began. I've declined it. Airplaneman ✈ 12:49, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

3O Response: I don't see anything wrong with including the Japanese names in the cast list, so long as they are sourced. WP:FILMCAST specifically states Tables are also recommended to display different casts, such as a Japanese-language voice cast and an English-language voice cast in a Japanese animated film. I assume that would include character names as well as voice actor names. However, I'm not keen on the presentation. The slash is a bit confusing (MOS:SLASH) as are the table headers. Perhaps they could be replaced with something like the following:

Character
(Japanese name) 		Voice actor
Japanese English

Would that be any better? P.S.: this is not an arbitration decision but a friendly non-binding third opinion. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:12, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The portion you've quoted applies to listing the JP and Eng casts, which is already in the table to begin with. It doesn't state anything about listing alternative names of the same characters. In any case, since you think the slash looks weird, I'll go ahead and remove it. Sk8erPrince (talk) 17:00, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I know that a fair number of publications will use a slash there, but I don't feel it fits with our style guide. We want to be clear that this is another version's name for the same character rather than an alias of the character (within a version) or two characters played by the same voice actor(s). I'm sure there are a lot of other ways to format the table to convey that information in a clear manner. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:46, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Just to let you know, a consensus has been reached, and there is no longer a content dispute. Sk8erPrince (talk) 13:45, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Round 2

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Looks like we're back again with another content dispute regarding JP names. Lullabying, could you fully explain your rationale on the matter? Also, it is worth noting that the IP user is editing against consensus at the moment since Lullabying and me share the same opinion regarding the formatting of names. Sk8erPrince (talk) 11:21, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Link to pending 3PO request: Active disagreements "Issue of name format. One side proposes the following format: Subtitle Given Name - "Dub Name" - Subtitle Surname (i.e. Taichi "Tai" Kamiya). Adverse side claim proposes different format." – 49.146.43.122 (talk) 13:56, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No. I don't think you understand what you are editing against here. First off, as previously mentioned, you are editing against consensus and engaging in an edit war. Secondly, Jo "Joe" Kido is an incorrect name format for the character Joe Kido, and this is why Lullabying and I were pushing to remove it.
We don't need a third opinion because there is already a consensus, and also because it's not about the formatting of names with the nicknames, it's the fact that Joe is not the character's nickname (he doesn't have one), but his actual name. Hence, formatting it as if Joe were his nickname is wrong. You have already been warned once for disruptive editing, and if you keep this up, this might result in a CIR problem on your part. Sk8erPrince (talk) 14:11, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Boomerang: Neutral intervention is needed given adverse claimant's similar history. – 49.146.43.122 (talk) 14:24, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, IP, I think you're getting a little confused over the English and Japanese names. The whole "nicknames in quotations" thing was the name the English dub gave the characters and are largely separate from the original Japanese names. To put it in perspective, in the English version, Taichi's name is "Taichi 'Tai' Kamiya" because that's what the original English dub listed his name as in the first episode and on official merchandise (i.e. trading cards as seen on https://colnect.com/en/trading_card_games/trading_card_game/45219-1_Tai_Koromon-Digimon_Animated_Series_Edition_1-Digital_Digimon_Monsters). The Japanese version would just be "Taichi Yagami." They're separate names as far as I'm concerned. This is why I found Hikari "Kari" Kamiya inaccurate. The English version has never listed her name as "Hikari" before except in subtitles, and the subtitles use the original Japanese names for the characters. Therefore, her name is Kari Kamiya in the English version and Hikari Yagami in the subtitled/Japanese version.
The reason why this page prefers the English dub names is because of WP:COMMONNAME, but since Crunchyroll uses the Japanese names, I think it's perfectly fine to list the Japanese names as footnotes. But they're not the same names.
Also, Joe's name has been romanized as "Joe" in the majority of official Japanese merchandise by Toei. His name is even romanized as "Joe" on the official Digimon Adventure website: http://digimon-adventure.net/tri/character/joe/ http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dejimon/chara/joe.html I am aware Crunchyroll and some trailers romanize his name as "Jo" and the official subtitles for Digimon Adventure 02 uses "Jyou", but "Joe" is used on the majority of Japanese merchandise and websites, so it's preferred. lullabying (talk) 15:55, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed with Lullabying. Thanks for further elaborating my point. Sk8erPrince (talk) 16:06, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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