Talk:The Legendary Starfy

2006 comments

Typing in the search term "legend of stafy" doesn't bring up this page. It's very strange. Something should be done about this. Also...the alternate spellings for Stafy (Stafi, Starfy, and Starfi) should all redirect to the main Stafy page. --Liquidcross 20:53, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Fixed! Now people should be able to find this page a lot easier. :) --Liquidcross 23:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

The correct spelling

It's official now: Starfy. [1] Please modify article accordingly. - Stormwatch 20:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I saw this; the guy who handled that interview is a friend of mine. However, TOSE has never flatly stated that Starfy is the official spelling; not only that, other Gamasutra interviews with TOSE use "Stafy," as do the game sites' URL paths and such. --Liquidcross 22:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Let's wait for the release of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, because Nintendo's starfish has a very high chance at entering, and then they'll reveal his official name in English. --Parrothead1983 1:01, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Where'd you hear this??? That's great news, if it turns out to be true. --Liquidcross 19:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Nowhere, but I know that the Legend of Stafy franchise is so popular in Japan, which makes Stafy have a very high chance at entering. Check the contribution list on the Japanese Smash Bros. Dojo website. Parrothead1983 13:16, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Got a link?--Liquidcross 15:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Right here. --Parrothead1983 13:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, Mr. Sakurai has stated that he doesn't really want to use characters that are only popular in Japan. However, the inclusion of Roy and Marth was a smart move for Melee. Including Stafy in Brawl would not only be a fun little addition, it may even prompt a stateside release for the series. That would be awesome. Unknown Shadow 23:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo might be planning to add Japan-Only NES/Famicom, SNES/Super Famicom, and N64 titles to the Virtual Console, while they might also add some protagonists from those titles in Super Smash Bros. Brawl to advertise inside and outside of Japan. Protagonists from Game Boy/Color/Advance, Nintendo DS, and Arcade titles that are Japan-Only have the lowest chance at entering Super Smash Bros. Brawl, because there is no Virtual Console for a portable Nintendo handheld nor a Nintendo arcade. The reason why Nintendo didn't release any of the Legend of Stafy titles outside of Japan, is because TOSE wants to hide themselves "behind the scenes", but will they let Stafy enter Super Smash Bros. Brawl either as a playable character and as a trophy both, just as a trophy alone, or neither? --Parrothead1983 13:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Game name

The literal title of the game is Legendary Stafy. I think it should be changed accordingly. Xubelox 02:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Game Articles

I believe this article should be titled as "Densetsu no Stafy (series)", because it talks about the series. There is already one article that has information about the fourth title of the series, and there should be some articles about the other three titles. Parrothead1983 22:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Translation of Title

densetsu no is a quasi-adjective that means "legendary" or "legend's," so shouldn't it be legendary stafy or stafy of the legend instead legend of stafy? I'm not especially proficient in japanese, but the noun-no-noun construction is basic knowledge. any explanation for the translation (a source, etc) would be appreciated. 76.102.162.203 02:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair use images

I've removed all the images from this article as they go against our fair use policy - please do not re-add them. Ryan Postlethwaite 22:33, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

All the images that were in this article have been licensed and rationalized. Parrothead1983 02:43 20 November 2007 (UTC)

True they have licenses and rationales, but fair use images need to be use sparingly. In an article this size, one or two may be appropriate that cover the subject of the article, but images of individual characters do not do this, and therefore are against the fair use policy. Ryan Postlethwaite 12:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Stafy should have been playable in Brawl!

I know that Stafy is in Brawl as an assist trophy, but this made alot of Smash Bros., Nintendo and even Stafy fans in general VERY angry. It could have been sweet if he was playable, but this is another example that Sakurai is screwing up his game, just like when he announced that Samurai Goroh is an assist trophy. I am saying this right now Smash Fans, I AM NOT GETTING THIS GAME, EVER! He's my favorite Nintendo character of all-time. More so than Mario. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.151.100 (talk) 18:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Manga before Games?

In the article for the first manga series, it is told that the series started in June 2002. But the first game was released in September 2002. Does that mean that the manga series even predate the games?? If yes, that should be mentioned more clearly. --Grandy02 (talk) 16:10, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

It does predate the video games; however, I assume the manga series is a running gag and is not really canon. Parrothead1983 (talk) 19:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, of course it isn't canon, but it's still an officially licensed manga series. And that those manga were released before the games they are based upon is a notable fact in my opinion, strictly speaking, Stafy's first appearance released for the public was in the manga instead of the games. Is there any other Nintendo franchise comparable with that? --Grandy02 (talk) 19:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Um, I noticed that Wikipedia was incorrect. I've added the correct release dates with reliable citations from the official Shogakukan website. Parrothead1983 (talk) 20:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't those dates only refer to the release of the two collected volumes? At first the stories are serialized in CoroCoro Comic, later collected volumes come out, that's a different thing. Or am I wrong? --Grandy02 (talk) 21:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, they are the correct release dates. Whenever something is released is like something is born...well sort of. And yes, the manga is a different thing compared to the video games. I don't know if Nintendo asked Shogakukan's permission or Shogakukan asked Nintendo's permission to create the manga series. Parrothead1983 (talk) 22:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

They are correct for the two volumes, but before the stories are published in those books, they are first printed in the CoroCoro Comic magazine (and the Japanese Wikipedia tells the timespan for that, 2002年6月～2005年10月), that's what I meant with "different thing". The English article and the English one for Densetsu no Stafy R only tell when the collected volumes came out, but not the timespan for the run in CoroCoro Comic (R already ran out in April 2008 according to Japanese Wikipedia). Oh, I hope I don't annoy you. :-( --Grandy02 (talk) 11:53, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

So what you are saying is that the first volume of the manga series was finished and ready to be published before the first game was released? I thought it's the release date that counts. Stafy was first being planned as a video game character back when the Game Boy Color prototype of the first game was in development. Parrothead1983 (talk) 15:34, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but we talk at cross purposes. Let me explain, it's like with many manga series: At first, the first story of the manga series (the series isn't finished at this point, of course) gets published in a manga magazine like CoroCoro Comic or Shonen Jump. With every issue of the magazine, until the series is finished, a new episode of the series is printed in the magazine. During this progress, the mangaka still makes new episodes of the series until he/she is done with the last story, it also depends on how successful the manga series are. Of course, there aren't enough stories at the beginning to release a collected volume. Those volumes are released at a later point, and contain the stories previously released in the magazine. And the release dates you are talking about are only for these three collected volumes, NOT for the run of the series in the magazine (CoroCoro Comic). No, the first collected volume of the series wasn't finished before the games were released, the first volume was released in 2003, but the first episode was printed in CoroCoro Comic in June 2002 (according to Japanese Wikipedia), while the mangaka still worked at stories for future magazine issues. --Grandy02 (talk) 17:34, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Um, okay. So you are saying that the manga first ran in a magazine before being released separately? And your question is: Did the Stafy series really started out as a manga series before it got its own video game series, or is Stafy really a manga character, just like James Bond started out in a novel before most people thought of him as a movie character? Parrothead1983 (talk) 23:14, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

The Stafy game for GBC was already announced in 2000, so he surely didn't start out as a manga character. But if the Japanese Wikipedia article is correct, the first manga stories were published in CoroCoro Comic some months before the game. Surely in order to advertise the game even a bit more in the run-up of it. And by the way, Densetsu no Stafy R was made by a different artist (not Suto) according to the Shogakukan website. --Grandy02 (talk) 11:12, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess I understand what you are saying, but how do I exactly discuss it more clearly? I saw a screenshot in one of the SpaceWorld pages of Nintendo showing the GBC version being playable to the public, so does it seriously mean that the Densetsu no Stafy series started out as a video game series? Parrothead1983 (talk) 22:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

References and sources

As the template tells, this article has almost no references/sources listed. Would it be appropriate to add the citations used in the German article for the respective text passages in this article? --Grandy02 (talk) 19:01, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if anyone like A Link to the Past or Megata Sanshiro would allow English articles to have citations in languages other than English and Japanese for articles about video games developed and released in Japan, but you can give it a shot and see what happens next. I don't think there are many English citations for the Densetsu no Stafy series. How will readers understand what the sources in German are saying without using online translators? Parrothead1983 (talk) 02:05, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Two editors does not a policy make. Since there's no official policy preventing one from citing sources in another language when a primary-language source does not exist, the citations are infinitely more important. If an editor feels that the german source needs to be translated into english, then they can either recommend a different source or translate it. If they feel that this should be made policy, there are channels through which they can pass their suggestions. 66.167.51.231 (talk) 11:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Er, almost all citations lead to Japanese and English sites, none of them to a German site (except for the German version of Smash Bros. Dojo). ;-) But as long as there is no alternative, I don't see a reason why not to cite sites in other languages, but that's not the thing for this article, anyway. --Grandy02 (talk) 07:56, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Shall we wait for the translator to translate the German article into this English one before adding citations? Parrothead1983 (talk) 06:14, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the German article doesn't offer that much more information than the English articles. A main difference is that it cites much more sources. --Grandy02 (talk) 18:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Translation request

1. Translation status: Stage 1 : Request (How-to)
2. Comment: Please be sure to move the details of each game to their dedicated articles (e.g. move the Densetsu no Stafy 2 section to the English article titled Densetsu no Stafy 2). For the other sections, replace the English article's sections with the translated versions of the sections in the German article. Ignore the sections in the English article that are not in the German article.
3. Requested by: Parrothead1983 (talk) 20:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
4. Interest of the translation: A notable video game series by TOSE and Nintendo.

crop logo?

Currently the logo (in svg format) in the article seems to have a bunch of blank space at the top and bottom (I'd say about 72% of the height is blank space). I tried to edit the logo, but GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program) doesn't seem to be able to open that svg image. Can anyone crop that image to reduce the blank space above and below the logo? --EarthFurst (talk) 18:08, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Some program I used wouldn't let me convert it into .svg format without leaving blank spaces below and above it. I couldn't find anything that converts images into .svg format correctly. I apologize about this. Parrothead1983 (talk) 02:08, 25 October 2011 (UTC)