Talk:Dawood group

Removal of referenced material

user:Kashifpisces has repeatedly reverted any changes to the article to an unreferenced version. this makes no sense as this is not an improvement to the article and flies in the face of a core policy of verifiability. -- Whpq (talk) 14:47, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

If you're talking about the violence and torture sentence, I have been unable to verify it. Even if that's what the source said, I'm still unhappy with including it. A 35 year old accusation, if true, should have some later verification from other sources, and I can't find any. Rees11 (talk) 00:27, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

That's fine. If things are not sourceable, then we can remove it. However, the article was being completely replaced with no effort on the part of the editor to engage in a discussion. -- Whpq (talk) 01:12, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Ironically, if that editor had simply discussed the issue instead of edit warring I probably would have supported him. Not the first time a WP editor has shot himself in the foot. Rees11 (talk) 04:03, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I removed the violence and torture material. As I said, I couldn't verify it, and I couldn't find any other sources. Rees11 (talk) 15:15, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Improvement in Dawood Group Article

Dear Administrator

I am posting Dawood Group Article for your review if this is ok to you then let me know so that i could able to upload it. You have asked me about my association with Dawood Group. I am attached with dawood group more than 7 years. Reasons behind my interest on wikipedia is all about to present the truth. in these 7 years i found Dawood Group the best example of Employee relations with workers. A 35 years old accusition is labeled on Dawood Group without any proof based on single article in 1970 when socialism is on extreme in Pakistan. if that was true then dawood group should face court for criminal activities. My dear try to understand my point. you will find plenty of good material about Dawood Group regarding its contribution to nation. One more thing at that time Group is going to be nationalized and its major companies like Dawood Petroleum and Central Life Insurance are being nationalized. But i don't know why you people think that this accustion should continue after 35 years. The Group is splitted among three of them. Razzak Dawood, Hussain Dawood and one other family member.

Hussain Dawood is now the Chairman of The Dawood Group. A well reputable and well known personality for his philanthropic activities and successful businessman in Pakistan. He is Chairman of

Dawood Group Engro Chemical Inbox Technologies Dawood Hercules Chemicals Limited Dawood Foundation Pakistan Poverty Alleviation Fund Karachi Education Initiative

He also serves as the member on the Boards of

Commonwealth Business Council Pakistan Business Council Pakistan centre of philanthropy Institute of Strategic Studies Beaconhouse National University Global Charter Member of The Indus Enterpreneurs

Honorary Consul of Italy in Lahore

you can visit www.ppaf.org.pk and see what Mr. Dawood is doing for the poor nation.

I think now you will able to understand my point of view. Also can i now upload the Dawood Group Page on wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kashifpisces (talk • contribs) 05:07, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Dawood Group is prominent Pakistani Holding Company. Dawood is familiar name in Pakistan today. The Group owns Companies ranging from Fertilizer, Textiles, Computers and Insurance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kashifpisces (talk • contribs)

Text of proposed article

I am not an administrator, nor are most editors here on Wikipedia. Before any sort of further activity takes place, can you unambiguously declare your affiliation with the Dawood Group? Wikipedia:Conflict of interest would seem to be a guideline that needs to be followed in this case. -- Whpq (talk) 14:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Mr. Ahmad Dawood

The spirit behind the Group's phenomenal success, was born at Bantva in the Kathiwar region of pre-independence India. Mr. Dawood, at the age of only 18 started his business career in Bombay as a dealer of cotton and rayon yarnand soon entered in industry by establishing a cotton ginning and pressing factory, an oil mill and a vegetable oil factory. Under his supervision and wise guidance his business activities expanded rapidly with new branches opening in several parts of India such as Calcutta, Madras, Kanpur, Coimbatur, Mathura, Ludhiana, Amritsar and Dehli.

Migration of Pakistan

Ahmed Dawood was a pillar of private sector, he was asked by [Quaied-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah]http://www.dawn.com/2002/01/03/top8.htm to migrate to Pakistan and set up Industries there.

Ahmed Dawood had lost all his business assets worth millions of rupees, spread all over India at the time of creation of Pakistan in 1947. Mr. Dawood brought with him to Pakistan in 1947, the great wealth of experience and a keen spirit of the enterprise that was desperately needed for industrial stability of the newly created country. In their new homeland, the Dawoods soon secured country-wide reputation for zestful initiative and foresight in planning and implementing new industrial projects in the country under the flag of The Dawood Group. The Group has set up a diverse complex of industries in Pakistan keeping in close harmony with the requirements of national progress and business prosperity skillfully using Indigenous capital as well as foreign investment to satisfying gains of the participants and to the development of Pakistan as a modern industrializing Country.

Role as an Industrialist in Newly Born State

Mr. Ahmad Dawood has contributed his professional role in Pakistan in 1952 by establishing

Dawood Cotton Mills, later on

Burewala Textiles Mills Limited Before taking over the management control of Burewala project, located at Vehari, it was

                                       being run by the public sector as a sick unit.In 1959, Dawood Group soon put it into a   
                                       profit making organization. It was selected among 25 top companies listed with Karachi 
                                       Stock Exchange.

Lawrencepur Textiles Limited. Lawrencepur unit is an internationally known textile project set up in 1954

Dilon Limited The first plant in the Country for manufacture of Nylon 6 filament yarn in 1968

Dawood Hercules Chemicals Limited It was a joint venture in collaboration with Hercules Company of the United States

                                       established at Shaikhupura, Punjab in 1968.

Dawood Corporation Private LimitedEstablished in 1948, Dawood Corporation played a key role in controlling various

                                       organizations set up by Dawood Group in different parts of the country.

Central Insurance Company Limited One of the oldest and financially the most sound underwriting companies in Pakistan.

Sach International Private Limitedbegan its operations as a marketing company in lahore fro spinning, dyeing, weaving etc.

National Mines Private Limited Established in 1961, the Company owns and operates coal mines at Jhimpir in district Thatha

                                       and at Khanot in district Dadu.

Dawood Petroleum Limited In 1959, Dawoods established Dawood Petroleum Limited, a petroleum marketing company.

Central Life Assurance Company Ltd. Well known life underwriters firm during the late sixties and early seventies.

Karnaphuli Paper mills Limited The largest paper mills in Asia at that time

Dawood Jute Mills

Karnaphuli Rayon & Chemicals Limited

Dawood Shipping Company

Looking Back to Seventies

Dawood had to face another serious setback at the time of Dhaka fall in 1971. At that time he again lost huge industrial and business projects like [Karnafuly Paper Mills Limited]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KarnaFuli_Paper_Mill

Kernafuly Rayon and Chemicals Limited Dawood Jute Mills

Dawood Shipping Company with a fleet of 25 cargo ships.

All these assets slipped out of his hand with the separation of the East Pakistan and taken by the new Government.

In 1974, Dawood Group had to suffer huge losses due to nationalization policy enforced by Government of that time. Major industrial and philanthropic projects of Dawood Group including

[Dawood Petroleum]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_State_Oil

Central Life Insurance Company Limited

[Dawood Engineering College]http://www.dcet.edu.pk/about-dcet.html

were nationalized by the Government.

A Tradition of Service to the Nation

The welfare of the fellow country men is always at the heart of Dawood Family. The Dawoods formed the [Dawood Foundation]http://www.memon-world.net/welfare_inst4.htm, one of the largest public charitable trusts in the country, in 1961, with assets exceeding Rs. 50 Million. The Foundation has contributed large sums of money for establishment and funding of a number schools, colleges, dispensaries and hospitals in the country. The Foundation contributed Rs. 10.5 million to [Al-Shifa Trust] for establishment of modern hospital complex at Rawalpindi. This was the largest single donation from the private Sector.

in 1962, the Foundation established the well known [Dawood College of Engineering and Technology]http://www.dcet.edu.pk/about-dcet.html. The college which was the first institution in the coountry with degree courses in Chemical Engineering, Electronics, Metallurgy, and Architecture was nationalized in 1971 and now run by the Fedral Government.

Foundation has also constructed an education complex in Karachi known as Dawood Public School for Girls.

Dawoods played a leading role in the public welfare. Dawood Foundation was set up in 1961 with a capital of Rs25 million. Dawood Engineering College was set up in sixties which was later nationalized. It is still a leading institution of technical education.

References

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KarnaFuli_Paper_Mill
• http://www.dawn.com/2002/01/03/top8.htm
• http://www.memon-world.net/welfare_inst4.htm
• http://en.allexperts.com/e/a/ah/ahmad_dawood.htm
• http://www.memon-world.net/welfare_inst4.htm
• http://www.schuitema.co.za/blog/?tag=ahmed-dawood
• http://www.dcet.edu.pk/about-dcet.html
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_State_Oil

Improvements

The material you supplied is written like a press release. It reads like material from a company brochure, and the references provided are inadequate. We simply cannot replace an existing article with something like that, especially when the author has a conflict of interest. Instead of trying to replace the article, describe what improvements are needed, and provide reliable sources such as newspaper reports that cover the information. -- Whpq (talk) 11:25, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Dawood Group is the prominent holding company in Pakistan. The Group owns Companies ranging from Fertilizer, Textiles and Techonlogy. Mr. Hussain Dawood is the Chairman of the Group, also chairman of Engro Corpoartion Limited.

Group Companies

Dawood Hercules Chemicals Limited Dawood Corporation Private Limited Dawood Lawrencepur Limited Inbox Business Technology Limited Central Insurance Company Limited ~~

I will provide complete references and further improve the article if you think regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kashifpisces (talk • contribs) 08:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

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