Talk:David Cholmondeley, 7th Marquess of Cholmondeley

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pronunciation

An IPA rendering would be helpful.

FYO, it's "chumley", with the emphasis on the first syllable and the u pronounced as in "plum". Why can't they write that? To answer that, I guess you have to go back into the word's history and origins; I think they're Norman. Viewfinder 18:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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"Sexism"

A recent anonymous contributor made two minor alterations to the article on the grounds of "sexism": firstly, the father's name given first is standard in reference works, he usually being the source of the individual's surname- forms such as "X and his wife Y (née Z/ daughter of Z) are commonly encountered; secondly, formulations such as "X is son of Y and his wife Z" are intended merely to indicate that the parents are married; admittedly in this case, the fact that his mother is "Marchioness of Cholmondeley" clearly indicates her to be the wife of the Marquess, but the use of such a formulation need not be taken as some form of sinister patriarchal attack on the value of women.

Ridiculous. Hey, dear Brittons: is that Your only problem nowadays ? Really ? :-) Best regards from Europe !

Titles and styles

As per Debrett's (regardless of edition)^[1], the eldest son of a Marquess receives his father's highest subsidiary title which does not by itself include the same territorial designation. The 7th Marquess' father, Hugh Cholmondeley, 6th Marquess, thus received the courtesy title of "Earl of Rocksavage" when his father, the George Cholmondeley, 5th Marquess, assumed the Marquessate. As such, the 7th Marquess recieved the courtesy title of Viscount Malpas, as the eldest son of the eldest son of a Marquess receives his grandfather's 2nd highest subsidiary title which does not include the same territorial designation or surname as his father's courtesy title. This is all governed by family tradition.^[2]

The London Gazette lists David Cholmondeley, after the 6th Marquess assumed the Marquessate, as "David George Philip, Earl of Rocksavage",^[3] which is known to mean that the person named is not indeed the Earl of Rocksave but rather the holder of it by courtesy, as it would otherwise say "David George Philip, The Earl of Rocksavage", or "David George Philip, Xth Earl of Rocksavage", or simply "(The Rt Hon) The Earl of Rocksave", which it does not.^[1]^[2]

Furthermore, the Gazette lists David Choldmondeley, now the 7th Marquess, as The Most Honourable David George Philip, Marquess of Cholmondeley,^[4] which translates to The Most Honourable The Marquess of Cholmondeley as per form of address rules.^[1]^[2]

Thus, his titles, were, in order, Viscount Malpas (since birth), Earl of Rocksavage (from the moment his father assumed the Marquessate of Cholmondeley), and later The Marquess of Cholmondeley (in his own right). MaximusWikipedian (talk) 15:06, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b ^c Debrett, John; Kidd, Charles; Williamson, David (1990). Debrett's Peerage and Baronetage. New York: Macmillan. ISBN 978-0333388471.
^ ^a ^b ^c Heywood, Valentine (1951). British Titles - The Use and Misuse of the Titles of Peers and Commoners, with Some Historical Notes (1st ed.). A. & C. Black, Ltd.
^ "No. 46366". The London Gazette. 8 October 1974. p. 8535. he QUEEN has been graciously pleased to appoint David George Philip, Earl of Rocksavage to be a Page of Honour to Her Majesty in the room of David Nevile William Bland, Esquire, who relinquishes the appointment having reached the age limit for retirement
^ "No. 58358". The London Gazette (1st supplement). 16 June 2007. p. 3. The Most Honourable David George Philip, The Marquess of Cholmondeley, Lord Great Chamberlain

Pegging

Is no-one going to mention that the friendship between the Marchioness and Prince William goes deeper than expected? 178.249.193.193 (talk) 13:50, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Outdated photo

Would be good to have a more recent photo for the top of the article Lena Key (talk) 16:22, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[Debrett-1] Debrett, John; Kidd, Charles; Williamson, David (1990). Debrett's Peerage and Baronetage. New York: Macmillan. ISBN 978-0333388471.

[Heywood-2] Heywood, Valentine (1951). British Titles - The Use and Misuse of the Titles of Peers and Commoners, with Some Historical Notes (1st ed.). A. & C. Black, Ltd.

[3] "No. 46366". The London Gazette. 8 October 1974. p. 8535. he QUEEN has been graciously pleased to appoint David George Philip, Earl of Rocksavage to be a Page of Honour to Her Majesty in the room of David Nevile William Bland, Esquire, who relinquishes the appointment having reached the age limit for retirement

[4] "No. 58358". The London Gazette (1st supplement). 16 June 2007. p. 3. The Most Honourable David George Philip, The Marquess of Cholmondeley, Lord Great Chamberlain

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