Talk:Cucumber

Very Poorly Written Article

I'm not going to point out any examples. Just read it. This is one of the worst articles I've read in a long time. The vocabulary and grammar is horrible. 73.6.96.168 (talk) 11:38, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

hi

how do you revert/reroll someones edits? Mizluh (talk) 00:37, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Why do you want to? All the recent edits seem to be by a highly competent and respected editor, Zefr. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:01, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2021

Cucumbers are considered Annuals. Might be good to add this to the page. Maybe change "There are three main varieties of cucumber..." to "Considered an annual plant, there are three main varieties..." Stuwarford (talk) 21:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Found a source to justify it, and done. BilledMammal (talk) 02:53, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Slicers grown for the North American market

I see no source cited for the claim that the US Garden (thicker skin) variety is the most commonly grown for the North American market. A quick google gives a couple low quality sources to this claim, and at least in Canada this claim appears to be completely false, where almost solely English cucumbers/mini English cucumbers are produced. If there is no good source to this claim perhaps it should be deleted? Alepolo101 (talk) 20:02, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Cucumiform fruits

If cucumiform means shaped like a cucumber, does knowing that a cucumber bears cucumiform fruits say more than cucumbers are fruit or that cucumber plants bear fruits? 2A00:23C7:7B18:9600:6D9B:D168:5FA0:2E6C (talk) 15:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, I think "cucumiform" means "shaped like a typical cucumber", so there are cucumbers that bear non-cucumiform fruits, e.g. so-called "apple cucumbers" have globular fruits. Anyway, it's a very unhelpful use of an obscure term; I replaced it by "usually cylindrical". Peter coxhead (talk) 16:22, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2021

Remove italics from instances of "Cucurbitaceae". It is common practice not to italicize taxonomic categories above the level of genus. Menyanth (talk) 16:16, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done Plantdrew (talk) 16:22, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

English Cucumber

(Why is this article protected!? Is there a fierce controversy raging over cucumbers? I mean, I know people argue over garlic in dill pickles, but...) Anyway, this article is seriously missing any mention of the English cucumber, which, being seedless, is rather difficult for hobby gardeners to grow, and is an absolutely critical essential for very popular dishes like Greek salad. How and why has it been overlooked? Also, its inclusion might help answer the age-old question of what do the English call English cucumbers, and then what do they call other kinds of cucumber, like the regular North American cucumber? (Maybe the article's writer intended "seedless" to pass for the name of the English cucumber, in which case that desperately needs disambiguation, as that is definitely not the common usage).2001:56A:F0E9:9B00:51BB:9467:93DD:6549 (talk) 02:43, 25 March 2022 (UTC)JustSomeWikiReader

I think it's because people argue over if it is a fruit or a vegetable (it's a fruit in my opinion) TomGoLeen (talk) 16:49, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Cucumber Plant Defense Mechanism into Cucumber

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To merge Cucumber Plant Defense Mechanism into Cucumber, although there was support for this being selective due to the number of primary sources cited. Klbrain (talk) 11:10, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

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"Cucumber Plant Defence Mechanism" does not appear in the reliable sources. The limited info in the academic articles can be summarized at Cucumber. Singularity42 (talk) 19:43, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Unless and until this phenomenon becomes significantly important outside the scope of the study of cucumber biology, it can be appropriately summarized under Cucumber. WestonEdits (talk) 16:30, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Since the article Cucumber Plant Defense Mechanism seems to be mostly about the chemical compound cucurbitacin C. Maybe it could be merged into the article about that class of chemical compounds, cucurbitacins, which already describes how those chemicals function as a defense against herbivores. Innerstream (talk) 17:40, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

It's not a matter of "merger", but rather one of "deletion" of the CPDM article, which is entirely based on lab research too preliminary to discuss any "mechanism" of significance. We mention cucurbitacins as an aroma/flavor factor in the current article - that is sufficient. In a PubMed search for review articles, there are no high-quality publications to indicate any importance of a CPDM to humans (as herbivore defense, yes). Those shown for cucurbitacins implying some relevance to anti-cancer mechanisms are in unreliable, non-clinical journals, indicating there are no WP:MEDRS sources to use for the current article. Zefr (talk) 18:05, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

I think it could merge both into Cucumber and cucurbitacins, maybe we split its content first. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 21:59, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Exactly. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 21:55, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. –Ploni (talk) 17:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
• Support if used and sourced in discussion as herbivore defense; otherwise delete the CPDM article. Zefr (talk) 18:11, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I would agree, plus I think it is notable with Cucumber. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 21:55, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

As a topic non-specialist, I've done this wholesale, but perhaps those with more expertise could prune the 'defense' section in situ.   Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 11:10, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

History

Hello everybody,

after some documentary research, it clearly appeared that consumption of the Cucumis sativus in Europe wouldn't have started before the end of the 10th century, since muslim spain (al-andalus). The cucumis known by the ancient romans and greeks would rather have been "Cucumis melo subsp. melo Group Flexuosus" or today's "Armenian cucumber". See the English page of the Armenian cucumber for academic references. It seems quite important to me to fix this in this page since the armenian cucumber is not a cucumber at all but is ranked among the melo species (yes it's a melon ^^). Greetings ! Thomas. Samoth Yallavec'h (talk) 11:22, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2023

Change: Cultivation history Cultivated for at least 3,000 years, the cucumber originated from India, where a great many varieties have been observed, along with its closest living relative, Cucumis hystrix.[25] It was probably introduced to Europe by the Greeks or Romans. Records of cucumber cultivation appear in France in the 9th century, England in the 14th century, and in North America by the mid-16th century.[1][26][27][28]

To: Cultivation history Cultivated for at least 3,000 years, the cucumber originated from India, where a great many varieties have been observed, along with its closest living relative, Cucumis hystrix.[25] Certain types of cucumbers were present in Ancient Egyptian cuisine. It was probably introduced to Europe by the Greeks or Romans. Records of cucumber cultivation appear in France in the 9th century, England in the 14th century, and in North America by the mid-16th century.[1][26][27][28] MizuJakkaru (talk) 15:20, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:16, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

This article is very much outdated

Recent research has shown the cucumber, Cucumis sativus, was not introduced to Europe by the Romans or Greeks, and the plant does not appear in the Mediterranean until some time after 500 CE. Reports of Romans growing then are mostly due miss-translations of several Mediterranean languages, and refer to Cucubis Melo, snake melons, not Cucumis sativus, the cucumber.

  For example: Occidental diffusion of cucumber (Cucumis sativus) 500–1300 CE: two routes to Europe. Anals of Botany 2012 Jan; 109(1): 117–126. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3241595/

This Wikipedia article should be thoroughly revised, if not totally rewritten. Hugowolf (talk) 19:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)