Talk:Counter-Revolutionary Violence: Bloodbaths in Fact & Propaganda

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Requested move 11 September 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 05:40, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Counter-Revolutionary Violence → Counter-Revolutionary Violence: Bloodbaths in Fact & Propaganda – WP:SUBTITLE is just a guideline, not a policy. Per WP:COMMONNAME, seems original name is a common name Hhkohh (talk) 10:57, 11 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 13:56, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Hhkohh (talk) 12:25, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support/Restore 9 September 2018‎ (Frayae moved page Talk:Counter-Revolutionary Violence: Bloodbaths in Fact & Propaganda to Talk:Counter-Revolutionary Violence without leaving a redirect: Requested by 142.160.89.97 at WP:RM/TR: Per WP:SUBTITLE. (The requested title already serves as a redirect.)) ....... not a suitable reason and 142.160.89.97 shouldn't really be requesting these as uncontroversial. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:12, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Another case of the IP editor seeking to undertake a controversial move without discussion after misinterpreting the spirit of WP:SUBTITLE. The original title was more unambiguous and also the WP:COMMONNAME. AusLondonder (talk) 23:49, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I see no issue with the initial requested move, and it abides by the given guideline. Seems to be a case of editors not liking the IP editor, based only on the facts that they are solely an IP and that they are abiding by guidelines. -- Alex^TW 04:26, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously? That's a personal charge against multiple editors. The long title is the original stable title. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:01, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@In ictu oculi: Now I have concern about AlexTheWhovian has WP:COI with the IP editor per other editors comment and all his oppose behaviors and especially this edit Hhkohh (talk) 09:45, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read COI, or are you using it for your own strawman arguments? COI has literally zero relevance here. Unless you can site the specific part of it applied to me? -- Alex^TW 15:44, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. @AlexTheWhovian: can you clarify please: this appears, I may be wrong, to look like a controversial technical move was reverted - which is normal practice. But that you blocked the revert thereby causing the RM to start from the non-stable title. One reason that revert exists as a technical option is to avoid RMs starting from the non-stable/status quo end. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:10, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

They were filed as RMs, executed as RMs by a page-mover and not a regular editor. If you have issues with this, please file an RM. This is the incorrect venue for such a discussion. Thank you. -- Alex^TW 15:44, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, tell you what, what I will do is ask the next editor close this nonsense RM and then put in a technical restore. This is what should have been done in the first place. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:28, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support with some reservations. The current title Counter-Revolutionary Violence is not recognisable as a book title rather than a descriptive phrase (it might be if we followed normal English grammar with regard to capital letters, but we don't). Much as I dislike having the colon in the title for other reasons, this would be an improvement. Also agree that procedural considerations favour restoring the previous title Counter-Revolutionary Violence: Bloodbaths in Fact & Propaganda. Andrewa (talk) 20:19, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support - per nom. That guideline is based on false assumptions that all media does that, which in fact they do not. Also, please note that the name was changed to the shorter version without discussion so in case of a no-consensus the title should be restored to the former name. --Gonnym (talk) 15:38, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 13 May 2019

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Not moved; opposed and withdrawn. bd2412 T 04:07, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Counter-Revolutionary Violence: Bloodbaths in Fact & Propaganda → Counter-Revolutionary Violence – Per WP:SUBTITLE. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 04:04, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Sam Sailor 06:45, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – This move was already performed once following a request at RM/TR by 142.160.89.97 (who is now requesting it again), but the September 2018 RM discussion above decided the article should be moved to the current title. I don't know if we have a clear and fast rule about how often the same move should be discussed, but I don't find it to be good form to re-request this move as an uncontroversial technical request. Sam Sailor 06:45, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose we've just had an RM. IP, can I ask as an IP are you able to use WP:FILEUPLOADWIZARD? Because a cover here would be a lot more useful to readers than a title truncation. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:54, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw – Apologies, I forgot that this one had previously gone through an RM. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 21:09, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Need attribution

The whole description of the episode relating to the publishing needs to include clear attribution for every statement, as it is sourced from involved parties. There are a couple of "according to"s but there need to be far more. BobFromBrockley (talk) 10:26, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]