The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Cora Agnes Benneson(pictured), one of the first female lawyers in New England, was rejected by Harvard Law School because "the equipments were too limited to make suitable provision for receiving women"?
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ALT1: ... that the then-professor Woodrow Wilson ungenerously called Cora Agnes Benneson(pictured) "a pleasant small person of mind which it will be very hard, but I trust not impossible, to impress"? Source: Go to the Sources, p. 20.
Overall: What a splendid article! You should feel proud of the work you've done here. I have found no problems with the article or hook. I'd prefer ALT0, which I think says more about both the time and her career. --Grnrchst (talk) 18:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC) Grnrchst (talk) 18:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"under the then-professor Woodrow Wilson." Not an expert on false titles but I think dropping "the" would be neater in this instance as it's a bit difficult to follow on first reading
Done.
"the Massachusetts Governor Frederic T. Greenhalge in 1895" I think Massachusetts can be dropped without confusion
Done.
"Social and Economic Science section in 1900" should this be lowercase?
It's a proper noun, so I've capitalized section as well.
"and as president of the city's board of education for 14 years"
Done.
"including Amos Bronson Alcott and Ralph Waldo Emerson" I would give a brief explanation of who each is
I added that they were writers and philosophers.
"Benneson graduated from the Quincy Seminary" Do we know what level of education this was?
Equivalent to high school.
(Optional) I would be inclined to mention (maybe just in a note) that Harvard did not admit female law students until 1950, to make clear that this wasn't just an issue faced by Benneson. It is my understanding that Michigan was one of the only law schools admitting women at the time
Done.
Perhaps explain what the moot court was, if information is available
WL the words moot court.
"Benneson wrote during her world travels" What did she write? A journal, letters, articles, etc?
I would be inclined to put the information about Almeda Eliza Hitchcock in the body of the article if there is information in the sources
There's not much said, just that Benneson inspired Hitchock, and I don't think it's a particularly meaningful moment in Benneson's life, whereas it was quite obviously important to Hitchock.
5: cites the Friends in Council sentence but I can't see the rest
6: has no issues but I'd add that Quincy Seminary was college preparatory to the article
Done.
8: this is only on page 275 of Nazzal 2000
Changed
11: no issues
18: this is all on page 278
The quote is, but page 279 contains additional analysis of Benneson's views of other cultures.
23: no issues, although I'd mention in the article that she held the position until her death
Done.
29: this doesn't give the date of her death
The obit in The Quincy Daily Herald does, so I consolidated the two cites in that paragraph.
What is the "Essay" parameter in the Jordan 2019 citation?
It's the department parameter. Law journals publish articles, essays, and comments, and this is in the essay section of the journal. See the documentation for {{cite journal}}.
Do we know that the Quincy Academy photo was published pre 1929?
I've changed the tag to PD-unpublished. It appears that this photograph was not published prior to being posted on the Historical Society website post-2003.
@Gerda Arendt: I've removed the infobox. In this case, I don't think one is needed since there aren't many details to be added to it. Additionally, everything that was in the infobox was either in the first sentence or first paragraph. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While all this is correct, why would you not want to serve someone, let's say from a different language, with easy access to some facts in a predictable position? No other language has an article about her yet. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:02, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article says nowhere clearly where she died, for example. I searched and arrived at Boston, but I was not sure enough to add that. Please add it in the prose, in a new paragraph. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A reader looking at the infobox could guess easily that she didn't marry and have children, which puts everything else in perspective, while only a diligent reader of the prose would get that information rather at the end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your comments, @Gerda Arendt. Here are my responses (in order):
I don't believe that people who don't read English (or read it poorly) are served by knowing from an infobox where and when Benneson was born and died, what she did, and where she got her degrees. In any event, the first two of those things are in the first sentence of the article. Additionally, someone who doesn't speak English can always use an online translator to get an (albeit imperfect) gist of Benneson's life. Generally, I think an infobox is useful in an article about a person where the reader might be looking for quick information on that person in particular (for example, seeing what bands a notable musician played in or what positions a a government official held). Here, by contrast, I can't imagine there are many readers who would even know who Cora Agnes Benenson is before reading this article.
Thank you for noting that omission. I will add that fact to the final section.
In order to know that she didn't marry and have children, a person would need to know that those parameters are available for use in the infobox. Only editors, not the casual reader, would know that. Additionally, I'm not sure how her being a confirmed bachelorette puts everything else in perspective. Unless there is some sort of implication I'm missing, some successful women get married and have children, and some don't.
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What a splendid article! You should feel proud of the work you've done here. I have found no problems with the article or hook. I'd prefer ALT0, which I think says more about both the time and her career. --Grnrchst (talk) 18:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC) Grnrchst (talk) 18:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
