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Requested move 12 February 2020

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed. Consensus favoring the move is clear, but whether to disambiguate the article with a fuller version of the author's name is unclear, and should be subject to its own process. BD2412 T 16:05, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Consciousness (book) → Consciousness (Hill book) – As the existing title is ambiguous with Consciousness: How Matter Becomes Imagination, the UK title of A Universe of Consciousness, and could refer to either subject, WP:DISAMBIG requires us to disambiguate absent the presence of a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. WP:BOOKDAB directs that we use the author's surname before the word "book". 207.161.86.162 (talk) 03:04, 12 February 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 15:59, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just because a name of a book in one country is the same as a name of a book worldwide, does not mean that we need to move it. I do not see a disambiguous need to move it, as the other article has a completely different title. I'll move it to a discussion and see what the community thinks. Minecrafter0271 (talk) 05:34, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What does the word ambiguous mean in your view, Minecrafter0271? 207.161.86.162 (talk) 05:34, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@207.161.86.162: It depends. Right now, it means that there are two pages with similar enough names that they have to be moved. I started a discussion on the talk page of that article. Minecrafter0271 (talk) 05:37, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Minecrafter0271: It depends. On what does it depend? 207.161.86.162 (talk) 05:52, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@207.161.86.162: It depends on how it's being used. Minecrafter0271 (talk) 05:55, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What do you believe it to mean in the context in which you used it? 207.161.86.162 (talk) 05:56, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@207.161.86.162: Basically, two (or more) articles, one title. Minecrafter0271 (talk) 06:00, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Minecrafter0271: Do you believe that view to be in accord with WP:DISAMBIG, which provides:

Disambiguation in Wikipedia is the process of resolving conflicts that arise when a potential article title is ambiguous, most often because it refers to more than one subject covered by Wikipedia, either as the main topic of an article, or as a subtopic covered by an article in addition to the article's main topic."

207.161.86.162 (talk) 06:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Minecrafter0271 (talk) 05:34, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@207.161.86.162: In short, yes. ...refers to more than one subject covered by Wikipedia... is what tips it for me. Minecrafter0271 (talk) 06:11, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support obviously clashes with book by Gerald M Edelman and Giulio Tononi of 2001 In ictu oculi (talk) 08:46, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as unnecessary WP:OVERPRECISION because the article titles are not in conflict. However, disambiguation by means of a hatnote, which I've just added, is advisable. Station1 (talk) 06:36, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Not OVERPRECISION as per In ictu oculi, however, I dislike the proposed Consciousness (Hill book), probably due to "Hill" being a word that is used metaphorically in psychology. Consider options

Consciousness (Hill book)

Consciousness (book, Hill)

Consciousness (Hill)

Consciousness (2009 book)

I mean to look again later, but I think I prefer Consciousness (2009 book), using the year as further disambiguation for a publication is very useful, and very standard in publishing. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:27, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Consciousness (Graham S. Hill book). It probably is worth disambiguating, just because it's not going to be obvious from the page title in the search box that it's this one and not the 2001 book. Like SmokeyJoe I find "Hill book" a jarring disambiguator though. It makes it sound like a book of mountain hikes or something. Better to use the guy's full name, that's clear and unambiguous. — Amakuru (talk) 14:35, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.