Talk:Climate of south-west England

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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on August 10, 2009.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the coldest temperature in south-west England on record was −16.1 °C (3.0 °F) at Yeovilton, Somerset, in January 1982?

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Flood disasters

I see the article has mention of the Lynmouth disaster (which could be linked Lynmouth#The Lynmouth disaster) but would it be worth also including Boscastle flood of 2004? & what about Bristol Channel floods, 1607?— Rod ^talk 19:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, thanks for reminding. I was going to find a seperate reference for the Boscastle floods, as the Met Office don't mention it. I will also try and get a mention of the Bristol Channel floods too. Jolly Ω Janner 20:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As for the Bristol Channel floods, 1607, I've been reading a few references and I get the impression that the cause of it is disputed to be either a storm or a tsunami. I'm leaning towards putting it in the wind section, rather than rainfall. Any thoughts? Jolly Ω Janner 01:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes the cause is still disputed, but still a significant climactic event? I'm not sure where to put it either.— Rod ^talk 07:00, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have now added, what I believe to be, a reliable source to the article about the event. I couldn't really define who the publisher of the journal was, but I think it should be good enough for GA. Jolly Ω Janner 20:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Future

In the "Future" section where it talks about climate change, flood defences etc, would it be worth mentioning proposals to let the Somerset Levels flood again rather than trying to build higher sea walls etc? (see Hansard)— Rod ^talk 20:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Jolly Ω Janner 21:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Definition

Given the discussions about what constitutes the West Country or South West England does this need to be defined for this article? Without this I don't see how claims such as "The south-west peninsula has 702 miles (1,130 km) of coastline" (which is uncited) can be made or verified. Sorry to keep identifying issues - I think this is a good article but perhaps not GA standard yet (& maybe not even the B you have assessed it as) but with a bit more work I think it could be.— Rod ^talk 20:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, when I first started writing this article, I copy and pasted the information for the lead from About south-west England. By the time I finished the rest of the article, I knew it so well, that I pretty much rewrote the lead (all of the stuff in the lead is cited further below in the article). The exception to this, is the claim you mentioned above. I'm think of adding the claim into one of the section (perhaps temperature?) along with an inline citation. PS here is a list of the areas in the south-west according to the Met Office: "Cornwall, Devon and Somerset, together with North Somerset, Bath and North-east Somerset, South Gloucestershire and the City of Bristol in the north-east, and the Isles of Scilly." Jolly Ω Janner 20:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that definition needs to be quoted and cited to the met office. The WP article South West England includes Wiltshire & Gloucestershire, with Swindon, Gloucester, Cheltenham and Salisbury mentioned in the article. (or you could reopen all the old debates!) If you go with the Met Office definition the red shading on the map used is wrong.— Rod ^talk 21:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I missinformed you earlier. I copy and pasted the coastline statistic from the Wikipedia article on South West England, which is unreferenced and unreliable. I have now removed the statement from this article. I think I have solved the problem of the definition of "south-west England" and the inaccurate map. I have made a map according to the Met Office's definition of south-west England and captioned it using the quote above about its definition. Jolly Ω Janner 16:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies - I edited the article before reading this thread. "West Country" is an extremely loose and ungeographical term - rather than removing it entirely, I've qualified it. On a separate point, the usual term used for the region is South West England - capital S and W, no hyphen - rather than "south-west". I'm conscious that the area defined in this article is the Met Office region, which has different boundaries and uses the lower-case hyphenated form. But, to most people, whether casual readers or not, this is confusing. There's no explanation of why "South West England" (HMG) covers a different area to "south-west England" (Met Office). Personally, I think it would be better to use the conventional term "South West England" here, with an explanation of how the area defined by the Met Office differs from the Government Office region. But I'm happy to hear other points of view. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the fact that the Met Office do it this way, it would be far easier for gathering information on the region (and for the rest of these regions across the UK for that matter). I always thought that the lower-case term of south-west was more geographical and seeing as this is a geographical article, I chose that term. I originaly used a caption on the map to summarise the differences. Currently, there are five paragraphs in the lead, which is a big no-no for GA reviewers. I feel it would be better to put the information into the caption to resolve this issue or, if possible, fit onto the end of the already-crowded first paragraph. Jolly Ω Janner 18:06, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

British Isles (and Ireland)

This article is written in British English and "British Isles" is the common term for the group of islands around Great Britain and Ireland with themselves included. Jolly Ω Janner 20:27, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. The editor who changed the text is on a campaign to erase it from Wikipedia. See [1]. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick^t 20:31, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe these publications are in British English. Þjóðólfr (talk) 23:12, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have never in my entire life actually heard a British person (or any person) say "British Isles and Ireland". That's the only proof any sane Briton would need. Jolly Ω Janner 23:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have never in my entire life actually heard a British person (or any person) say Nazi Zombies - but I'm not going to deny the existence of the term; just consider myself educated. I am British too; I'm just proud that we are not all ignorant. Þjóðólfr (talk) 04:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Climate of south-west England/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Hi Jolly Ω Janner - i will review the Climate of SW England and should have a review up within a couple of hours. Jason Rees (talk) 17:30, 15 August 2009 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria[reply]

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:

B. MoS compliance:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
Whilst it has had an edit war during the last few days, the conflict seems to be resolved and thus i am passing the article. Jason Rees (talk) 19:40, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow thank you so much. Such a quick review as well. Thanks! Jolly Ω Janner 19:55, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The West Country Challenge

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The The West Country Challenge will take place from 8 to 28 August 2016. The idea is to create and improve articles about Bristol, Somerset, Devon, Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly, Dorset, Wiltshire and Gloucestershire, like this one.

The format will be based on Wales's successful Awaken the Dragon which saw over 1000 article improvements and creations and 65 GAs/FAs. As with the Dragon contest, the focus is more on improving core articles and breathing new life into those older stale articles and stubs which might otherwise not get edited in years. All contributions, including new articles, are welcome though.

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or other articles relating to the area.

There will be sub contests focusing on particular areas:

Bristol (Day 1-3)
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Devon (Day 7-9)
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To sign up or get more information visit the contest pages at Wikipedia:WikiProject England/The West Country Challenge.— Rod ^talk 15:57, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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