Talk:Citadelle of Quebec

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Citadel or Citadelle?

A disambiguation page will likely be necessary as there are many "citadelles" in France (see French Wikipedia). Citadelle is the French noun for a citadel (look in any English or French dictionary). They mean exactly the same thing. Probably the article heading should be "Citadel of Quebec" in English just as the French article is "Citadelle de Québec". The Citadel was always known by the English name as any search in Google will show. Every other place name in this article is anglicized e.g. Quebec City, Plains of Abraham, etc. so why not Citadel of Quebec.

The second paragraph needs rewriting to put more emphasis on the fortifications, and drop the mention of nearby buildings. The photo clearly shows the buildings looming over the site. Who cares? It is the fortress people are interested in. Someone with knowledge of 19th century British fortifications should improve this article and explain how Artillery Park is related to the Citadel.--BrentS 16:01, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It really should be called some form of La Citadelle, since this name is used in both English and French. Examine the federal government website linked to. I propose Citadelle of Quebec, which is the form used by the Governor General's website.- Montréalais 05:47, 21 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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I am puzzled by your claim that Citadelle is used in both English and French. If you consult many of the gc.ca sites including http://www.pc.gc.ca/voyage-travel/pv-vp/itm5-/page5_E.asp you will see that the government continues to use the correct English word "citadel". Halifax also has an impressive British-built citadel. A capital letter is not really required since citadels were built all over the place and the word is in every English dictionary. Understandably in Quebec the complex will be referred to as a citadelle, but not elsewhere in the English speaking world when a perfectly good English word exists. This complex was built by the British and it is more than ironic that it should be presented to the rest of the world outside Quebec as somehow French. By this reasoning, every powder magazine in Quebec will have to be termed a poudrière in English. French Wikipedia should correctly use Citadelle de Québec but English Wikipedia should use Citadel of Quebec.Insert non-formatted text here (User:BrentS)

I was referring to the Governor General's website, which seems to be the most appropriate authority for a viceregal residence; it refers to the Citadelle of Quebec throughout. A capital letter is required because it is a proper noun, referring to that specific building. There's nothing unusual about saying "The Citadelle of Quebec is a citadel and vice-regal residence in Quebec City." - Montréalais

While I disagree with Citadelle of Quebec, I can live with it as long as the correct English word "citadel" is used elsewhere in the text. The citadel is one part of the Quebec fortifications, just as the Halifax citadel is one part of the Halifax fortifications. The GG and the federal government are bound by the Official Languages Act; that is why it is easier to use Citadelle in Quebec for the GG's residence. It is doubtful that Citadelle is proper when referring to the British fortifications in English (the GG only occupies a part of the complex). If you check French wikipedia, there are lots of citadelles there, which we would call citadels, just we call palais de justice as court house.--BrentS 20:23, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have altered the first paragraph to include a link to citadel and to emphasize the fact that the Citadelle is only part of the fortifications of Quebec. - Montréalais 03:46, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Quebec is not the only walled city in north-america, the mexican city of Campeche is another example of a fortified city.-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.67.14.61 (talk) 19:40, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

tours

Does anyone know when La Citadelle was opened up to public tours ? I know that Jeanne Sauvé has security conserns which led to limited access of Rideau Hall (later overturned by Hnatyshyn, Leblanc and Clarkson). I believe, however, that La Citadelle remained off limits for some time Dowew 22:46, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Map?

So apparently this thing still exists. Can someone post a map. Even if it was hand-drawn by a 5 year old, it would be better than nothing at all. I have NO idea what the shape or layout of this thing is. Stephen Charles Thompson (talk) 04:32, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Québec or Quebec

Québec (with the acute accent) is the city's official name in both French and English.[1]--Gilbertus (talk) 19:29, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Does the Citadelle really contain the oldest military building in Canada?

I'm referring to the first clause of the third sentence in the introduction: "The citadel contains the oldest military building in Canada..."

Firstly, this needs a citation, as there's no indication of which building it refers to. Secondly, if it refers to the Royal 22e Régiment Museum (Building 15), which was built in 1750, then the assertion is not accurate: there are several notable examples of older surviving military buildings in Canada, including Nova Scotia's Fort Anne powder magazine (1709), Quebec's Fort Chambly (1711), and Manitoba's Prince of Wales Fort (1731). Even the Citadelle's surviving New French bastions, which are not buildings and were incorporated into the British constructions during the 1820s, only date to 1720.

If you have contrary information, let me know – otherwise I'll correct the sentence. Cheers --Bay & Gables (talk) 15:18, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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As per WP:SBRD, the BOLD edit was reverted, and so "is an objection that should be viewed as a stop sign and immediate detour pointing to the DISCUSSION page where the involved editors can vet the edit and work out their differences. .... All editing of that content in the article should be stopped during this time, leaving the status quo version in place." trackratte (talk) 23:54, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wellington Bay: & @Trackratte:. I'm not going to push for the inclusion or exclusion of the monarch to/from this page or the Rideau Hall page. But, shouldn't both pages be consistent? GoodDay (talk) 19:33, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]