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The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:

The Flag and the Cross: White Christian Nationalism and the Threat to American Democracy, by Philip S. Gorski & Samuel L. Perry
Preparing for War: The Extremist History of White Christian Nationalism ― and What Comes Next, by Bradley Onishi

United States-specific material dominating core article sections

I have just moved United States-specific material out of the Ideology section into the US section.[1] The citation used for that material names specifically, in the abstract, "Christian symbols, values, and policies enshrined as the established religion of the United States".[2] desmay (talk) 20:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried to WP:GLOBALIZE this section by adding material from the London School of Economics article that discusses Christian nationalism in various countries.[3] To follow WP:NPOV, if we are going to discuss a specific manifestation of Christian nationalism, we must mention the country that that specific manifestation is happening in. desmay (talk) 21:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added some material regarding Christian nationalism in Brazil too.[4] This distinguishes between various manifestations of Christian nationalism, which aren't the same in every country. desmay (talk) 21:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We definitely need an article on Christian nationalism in the United States. St Anselm (talk) 21:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. Support creating a separate article and summarizing it here. It's just going to become a bigger and bigger part of discourse in the US at least through this year's election given Project 2025 and the trajectory of conservative politics in the US. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 21:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's probably a good idea. BootsED (talk) 23:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what happened. I believe there was a separate article titled Christian nationalism in the United States but it has since been deleted and the content merged into this article here? Perhaps I am remembering this wrong. Either way, this should have its own stand-alone article as it is dominating the page. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 21:52, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Jarble:, who made the initial redirect from Christian nationalism in the United States to the United States section of this page. If you have more information about this redirect and its history please let us know. I believe consensus has formed that a separate page for Christian nationalism in the United States is needed due to the size of the existing section and its increasing prevalence in American politics. I see that there is also a category for this topic along with an unused template that suggests to me this page previously existed but was folded into this one. Also, would it be possible to redirect existing links for Christian nationalism#United States to this new page as well? I would do this myself but I am unfamiliar with redirects and don't want to mess anything up. Thanks. BootsED (talk) 00:44, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BootsED: That redirect has no history and no talk page -- it's just a redirect. The only mention of the sidebar I can see, which kind of explains it, is Talk:Nick_Fuentes#Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_29_May_2024. Once the new article is created, we would put links under the heading in this article and summarize it here. If you want to be cautious, create a draft of the new article and get input before moving it to mainspace. It would be a good idea to ensure there's at least more information in the new article than there was here. But there's no obligation to draft if you'd prefer to just get started on the new article. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 12:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Desmay regarding your revert [5] "Those sentences are only about the US and belong in that section only. We went over this"...While I agree the wording needs to be improved and the sources are American studies, I may have assumed the ones I used apply to Christian nationalism in general ie globally. They also seem to be of more academic quality... Journal for scientific study of religion & from National Institutes of Health [6]... Your LSE source (mentioned above) appears to be a blog? [7] Blogs are typically inappropriate, and https://www.christiancentury.org/ may or may not be reliable or neutral, but perhaps they are or there is some exception here I'm unaware of. Cheers. DN (talk) 02:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As they're American studies, Wikipedia can't generalize them to cover the whole world. That would be original research. Including them in the US section is ok for now. desmay (talk) 02:43, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Civil War and Cold War history

This edit was reverted - bringing the discussion here as to whether it merits inclusion. Superb Owl (talk) 22:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For me, as constituted, I would agree with removal for now. The examples don't seem well contextualized and don't appear to have any particular importance to the concept of Christian Nationalism itself. As ever though, reasonable minds can certainly differ on the question. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 22:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Overall agree with removal currently. Or at least it is currently WP:UNDUE without additional writing in the edit. It's essential statement is:

"US constitution does not mention god + Confederate constitution does mention god (barely) = Christian nationalism issue

Each of those variables is problematic for a variety of reasons. Just10A (talk) 17:37, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My issue is that this seems to be a case of reading history backwards. Christian Nationalism in the current sense of the term is a rather new (and in my opinion vague) term that can easily be misused. Given the complex nature/history of religion and government in the United States I do not think the term should be used here especially not in wikivoice.3Kingdoms (talk) 17:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good - will propose reinclusion only if more reliable sources can help to better explain the nature of the connection if any. One I just found referred to Christian Nationalism as 'echoes' of those initiatives. Superb Owl (talk) 18:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. Best of luck with hunting for sources! 3Kingdoms (talk) 21:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Millionaire ‘apostle’ summoning women to DC for Christian nationalist rally

[8] Doug Weller talk 12:26, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link, Doug. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This page seems prone to vandalism

This low quality text here is non-academic in nature and clearly made by a Christian nationalist in defense of the ideology. “Re-defining Christians who believe that God granted them certain rights no government can take away as Nationalists is just a common communist play to sow discord and create confusion. Don't fall for this.”

editors please remove this and keep this page under tighter lock and key to keep it strictly objective and less prone to disinformation. 2604:3D09:137E:9A20:7435:F622:A63C:C25 (talk) 02:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]