Talk:Chris Cuomo/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

What Cleanup is Required?

What parts of this article violate policies? There is no mention about it here, but a banner has been added about it on the article page. Daniellagreen ^{(talk) (cont)} 01:38, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

• It's best to ask the person who placed the tag, in this case IPadPerson. For one thing, headings and subheadings need to be removed from sections that only contain one or two sentences. For another, all citations need to be removed from the lede. And the WP:REFBLOAT in the body text needs to be trimmed -- simple statements of obvious fact only need one citation. Softlavender (talk) 03:03, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Douche Hall of Fame

@Foxgloves: @EricEnfermero: @Softlavender: @IpadPerson: @Zanothrope: @Philip Trueman:

The article has been edited several times (for example, here) to add a reference to Chris Cuomo being nominated for a satirical "douche hall of fame." This edit has been reverted by many different users, so let's have a full discussion to establish consensus about whether to include it. Relevant policies are WP:TRIVIA and WP:BLP. I also note that verifiability ≠ notability. Karl Dickman ^talk 18:40, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure why this even being asked, it's a no-brainer and in no way belongs in Wikipedia; it violates every BLP policy and is non-encyclopedic and TRIVIA. Softlavender (talk) 03:09, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

@Softlavender: So then why have you restored it to the article twice? 2600:1006:B155:F318:14E8:C473:9B00:7111 (talk) 03:39, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

I misread your edits. We are so used to seeing IPs add these WP:BLP violations, that I read that as you adding rather than deleting it. One good reason to create an account, especially since this page may be longterm protected from IP editing soon. Thanks for notifying me. Softlavender (talk) 03:45, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

The TV show in question isn't even notable enough for its own article. Karl Dickman ^talk 09:14, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

2014 comments taken out of context

The citation confirms that the 2014 CNN comments about Hillary Clinton were taken out of context in the Donald Trump email: "the Trump campaign has taken [the comments partially quoted] significantly out of context. Cuomo said these words more than two years ago, before Clinton declared herself a presidential candidate." [1]. There is no cited "controversy" here, and trying to make it one is a WP:BLP-violation. I am removing the material again. Softlavender (talk) 06:00, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Softlander, Curious why you don't see it as a controversy. Cuomo said the words that Trump used in his fundraising email. The video speaks for itself. Even if it was 2 years after Cuomo said it. He put himself and CNN in a compromising position when he made those statements. Cllgbksr (talk) 14:55, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

It's not a controversy, particularly not regarding Cuomo. It could conceivably be a controversy regarding Donald Trump, relevant to the article on his campaign (in that his campaign took Cuomo's words out of context), if you find enough independent reliable-source citations that Trump's campaign team's action was indeed controversial, but considering the sheer amount and size of controversies surrounding his campaign I don't think you'll have any luck putting it in that article either. Softlavender (talk) 03:17, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

"but considering the sheer amount and size of controversies surrounding his campaign I don't think you'll have any luck putting it in that article either". No disputing that... No shortage of controversies with the Trump campaign. I see your point. Just trying to square the circle the fundraiser email did create a controversy. It stirred up Trump's base who reacted to his email that Cuomo/CNN were in the Clinton bag. Cllgbksr (talk) 03:30, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Tweets

Discussing a controversial Presidential action on Twitter is neither noteworthy nor controversial. Anonymousedit19923034, I realize you are a brand-new user, but this is unencyclopedic trivia and violates several Wikipedia policies, such as WP:BLP and WP:UNDUE and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Please stop reposting it. Softlavender (talk) 16:41, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

I reverted the content because it was objected and WP:BLP was invoked, which means that consensus must be obtained before restoring the content. Adding the content back using the proposed sources would be undue, but the story is – at least partly – verifiable.

Here are the sources that I was able to find for now:

1. The tweet – primary source that is still up.
2. National Review – reliable publisher, reliable writer, The Corner falls under WP:NEWSBLOG probably.
3. National Review – reliable publisher, reliable writer, The G-File falls under WP:NEWSBLOG probably.
4. Chattanooga Times Free Press – opinion piece, I don't know anything about the author except what their profile page says.

Apparently this was not a huge controversy and seems that only a couple of conservative-leaning outlets have reported the tweets. But maybe there is something here if everything is put into context properly? Perhaps Cuomo has said something about transgender issues before? Apparently the user who originally wrote the content is taking a two-week break from editing, but I've got no rush. Politrukki (talk) 18:59, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

It's trumped-up trivial nonsense. If you can find several national non-partisan WP:RS that actually consider this a major controversy, that would be a different story. This is even beyond the fact that kids don't take off their underwear in the open in school (female) locker rooms. Softlavender (talk) 03:19, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

WP:BIASED allows partisan sources (if everything else is in order), you know. I looked again, but could not find anything particularly useful. There's just not enough material to write anything substantive. All sources use Cuomo's tweets to discuss something else, more or less. I'm done here unless someone can provide better sources. Politrukki (talk) 17:36, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

WP:BIASED doesn't allow stating that tweeting about a controversial Presidential action is controversial. If that were so, Wikipedia would mention nearly every tweet by every public figure disagreeing with any controversial Presidential action, as long as someone mentioned it in a publication or website. For that to be actually noteworthy and controversial would require significant mention as particularly controversial in multiple non-partisan or bi-partisan outlets, to preserve NPOV, as WP:BIAS mentions. Softlavender (talk) 17:46, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2018

After the initial sentence :

Christopher Charles Cuomo (/ˈkwoʊmoʊ/; born August 9, 1970) is an American television journalist. He currently works at CNN,[1][2] where he presents Cuomo Prime Time, a regular weeknight CNN show.

Add another sentence:

He also hosts a two hour weekday radio show "Let’s Get After It" on the POTUS channel on SirusXM. BryanMau (talk) 20:20, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

References

 Done. BryanMau, I have added this to the Career section, as it seems to fit better textually and contextually there than in the lead. Softlavender (talk) 07:10, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2018 : Cristina Greeven Cuomo: Executive Profile & Biography

FROM:

|spouse = {{marriage|Cristina Greeven|2001|}}

TO:

|spouse = {{marriage|Cristina Greeven|2001|}}<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=33945168&privcapId=22504968|title=Cristina Greeven Cuomo: Executive Profile & Biography|author=|date=|website=Bloomberg|accessdate=10 November 2018}} [https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:APv4uS-PTZsJ:https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp%3FpersonId%3D33945168%26privcapId%3D22504968 webcache]</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/mario-youngest-son-weds-article-1.926225|title=MARIO'S YOUNGEST SON WEDS|author=|date=|website=nydailynews.com|accessdate=10 November 2018}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/27/nyregion/boldface-names-384801.html|title=BOLDFACE NAMES|first=James|last=Barron|date=|website=nytimes.com|accessdate=10 November 2018}}</ref>

69.181.23.220 (talk) 19:29, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done The non-controversial information is already detailed and cited in the body text of the article; therefore no citations for the year date of his marriage are necessary in the infobox. Softlavender (talk) 00:32, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Article needs "Fredo" section.

Article needs "Fredo" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.73.37 (talk) 06:35, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 August 2019

In the "See Also" section, add the following link: Fredo-Gate Duranged (talk) 15:13, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• "Fredo-gate" is undue. This is nowhere close to a "-gate". --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:56, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 August 2019

You need to put in Fredo 2601:341:C200:DEB:FC6C:B229:5224:4789 (talk) 23:50, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Already done. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:56, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

It has very widespread coverage. The degree of persistence could be a factor, but as it stands I suspect it will be covered for a while due to politics. I think the size of the inclusion in the article could be reduced (it's more than 5 lines currently) to 2-3 sentences. MartinezMD (talk) 00:30, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I agree. It wasn't I who added it. Feel free to trim it down. Compared to the size of the whole page, it is overblown and undue. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 01:49, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I realize you didn't add it but wanted to take the opportunity to address it. I think it's appropriate to have it in the article, but as we've discussed, less length to reduce undue weight. I've made changes. MartinezMD (talk) 02:14, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

The term "Fredo" has not been shown to be linked to ethnicity in past usage, only to a black sheep or outcast weaker member of a family or business - a differentiation that has caused debate, why it has caused this debate is important to mention with sources. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 22:06, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

If that has due weight and relevance to this subject, Chris Cuomo, then reliable sources would discuss it when speaking about Cuomo. Otherwise, it is WP:Undue, original analysis, and not notable on Wikipedia article about Cuomo. Feel free to add what you are talking about to the article on Fredo Corleone. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:47, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@Coffeeandcrumbs: I disagree - it has to do precisely with the term Cuomo used, and thereby extension has relevance to the subject as well in how its usage is perceived as it relates to how he used the term, but I'm not going to get into an edit war with you over it. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 23:20, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Feel free to write an article about the name and its uses. Unless you find sources that discuss the meaning of the name in the context of this incident, you are doing original analysis. This Washington Post article says that Edward Falco, the author of 2012 novel The Family Corleone, "said he agreed with Cuomo that “Fredo” was directed as an ethnic slur, not just meaning someone weak and incompetent but a weak and incompetent Italian. It sounds close to “guido,” he said, a more prominent insult toward Italian Americans, though he said Cuomo went “overboard” comparing it to the n-word." Feel free to add that. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Since the term "Fredo" relates to Fredo Corleone, I have written about it there as I do not think it would make sense at Fredo for this reason. Thanks for that source, I've included it, but it is still the opinion of one man, it is not in books or in dictionaries. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 00:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm okay with some degree of the addition, but again, to avoid undue weight I'd like to keep the section as short as possible. I made minor edits to that effect. The interested reader can read the source material to get the needed information for more detail. MartinezMD (talk) 00:41, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Cuomo's birthday

Last night on CNN, in the transition from "Cuomo Prime Time" to "CNN Tonight", Don Lemon complimented Chris Cuomo for his upcoming birthday today. Cuomo thanked Lemon and said he was reaching 52. That would mean that Cuomo's birthday is September 17, 1967, and not August 9, 1970 as currently posted. Any information on this ? MUSIKVEREIN (talk) 22:24, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

The currently listed birthdate is uncited, so there's nothing preventing anyone from replacing it with cited information. (It might be worthwhile, for someone with good Google skills, to see if something can be independently confirmed anywhere reliable that hasn't been picked up from Wikipedia.) Softlavender (talk) 00:41, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

That doesn’t seem to be the case from an earlier tweet from him and some other videos from a Google search. Is there a video or source for what you saw on CNN the other night? Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 03:47, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

• The birthdate was added in August 2005 by a random IP from Kansas: [2]. A Who's Who published in 2005 lists his birth year as 1970, but no month or day: [3]. -- Softlavender (talk) 04:09, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

• Here is a confirming video from CNN that his birthday is August 9, 1970: [4]. -- Softlavender (talk) 06:01, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

More Fredo content needed!

Trump referenced Fake News Fredo at the UN today. It needs to be in the article. However, this is not about Fredo's "Personal Life" and it should not be hidden in that section. A separate "Fredo" section in the article is needed to clearly deal with Fredo content. 71.82.73.37 (talk) 01:55, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

No, and no. WP:UNDUE. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 01:57, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Chris Cuomo Career Changes

Hello, looking at the Chris Cuomo page, I am hoping that a few changes could be made. For example, Cuomo before getting into journalism used to be an attorney working on Wall Street in New York City. I was hoping that a mention of this could be added either in Early Life and Education or Career.JackDaniel19 (talk) 11:56, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Also, I believe it is worth mentioning that Chris Cuomo did not want to pursue his early career in law, because he found it "unsatisfying" and had relatively good name recognition to enter the world of political journalism; which he eventually did. As mentioned in the page, Cuomo's father Mario Cuomo and older brother Andrew Cuomo have both served as Governor of New York. This would have been enough to place him highly in this career path of choice.JackDaniel19 (talk) 12:20, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

In the past, Chris Cuomo has referred to three main tips to a successful, great interview. These main pointers are to: 1. Prepare 2. Listen and 3. Repeat. American leadership coach, Marshall Goldsmith interviewed Cuomo about this, and I think that a mention of this in Cuomo's Career Page would be beneficial for those seeking more insight into his professional journalism career and how he manages his interview format.JackDaniel19 (talk) 13:01, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

I would also recommend that more content be added on Cuomo's transition from the CNN morning show New Day, to his own evening show: Cuomo Prime Time and that this be uploaded into the Career page. Extra information on his presence as a television journalist would also be informative.JackDaniel19 (talk) 14:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

1. Bennet, Anthony [5] Chris Cuomo: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know November 11, 2019 -- JackDaniel19 (talk) 12:20, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

2. [6] "Chris Cuomo Biography" November 11, 2019 -- JackDaniel19 (talk) 12:08, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

3.Goldsmith, Marshall [7] "Chris Cuomo’s 3 Secrets for Getting to the Truth" November 11, 2019 -- JackDaniel19 (talk) 13:06, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

4.Hyman, Dan [8] "CNN's Chris Cuomo: How a Political Son Became America's Toughest News Anchor" -- JackDaniel19 (talk) 14:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

I, personally, generally distrust Heavy.com. The website has a tendency to copy Wikipedia articles and cause circular sourcing. Do we have a better source? --- Coffeeandcrumbs 11:50, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

I am sure there are, however this information appears to be correct from research, and it links in with his time as an attorney operating within New York City. JackDaniel19 (talk) 11:56, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Biography.com is also just as bad about copying Wikipedia articles. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 12:22, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Please see WP:RSP#Sources for ideas for reliable sources. Focus on the publications highlighted in green on that page and similar highly reliable sources.

Focus on sources like this, this, and this. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 13:34, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Please do not edit/remove other people's comments and signatures. That is against our policies or guidelines. Talk pages are intended to work like a conversation. Always make new comments below existing comments. Stop editing your above comments once someone responds. It makes the conversation confusing. If you need a place to make notes, use your sandbox. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 15:12, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Relating to my previous suggestions, I intend to add one of those suggestions into the Career section of the page and add information relating to one of the sources. The information I will add consists of Cuomo's three step cheat sheet on conducting a great interview. I will refer to when American leadership coach, Marshall Goldsmith interviewed Chris Cuomo and asked him about preparing for an interview and how to successfully extract answers. Cuomo's steps are to: Prepare, listen and repeat.JackDaniel19 (talk) 12:01, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

I've never seen interview methodology incorporated into any article. Walter Cronkite and Barbara Walters' respective articles don't even have any paragraphs dedicated to the subject. Speaking of, 1. Prepare 2. Listen and 3. Repeat., isn't this standard journalism? What journalist does not prepare and/or listen? KyleJoan^talk 12:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Journalist

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Is there a source for positioning Chris Cuomo as a journalist instead of a talk show host? Looking forward to a comprehensive answer. Best regards. Alain Alainlambert (talk) 04:15, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

The article is full of sources that fully establish that Cuomo is more than a "talk show host". Please read it. Also, please read WP:EW; one revert is never an "edit war". General Ization ^Talk 04:18, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Since you seem to want a specific reference, see this one, which describes him as a "television journalist", not as a "talk show host". You will find numerous others already cited in the article. General Ization ^Talk 04:21, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

This source is one year old. Please provide a current source. Regards Alainlambert (talk) 04:24, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Not to mention this is not RS. Open to an actual RS source. best. Alainlambert (talk) 04:25, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

His occupation as related in the lead of this article is not based purely on his current assignment. That source is his biography, and describes his career, which is the basis of the lead. And, excuse me, but on what basis do you assert that biography.com is not a reliable source? Leave the lead of the article alone, please. General Ization ^Talk 04:27, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

• The Washington Post: Trump said the journalist [Cuomo] resembled a “total out-of-control animal” . . . Source: [9]
• Vox: CNN journalist Chris Cuomo was caught on video last weekend . . . Source: [10]
• The Los Angeles Times: Indya Moore took to social media Thursday to blast journalist Chris Cuomo for . . . Source: [11]
• The Independent: While Cuomo is a high-profile journalist, he is also . . . Source: [12]

Can we put this to bed now? KyleJoan^talk 04:43, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

None of your sources are (i) up to date or (ii) do they make the point that Mr. Cuomo is a journalist vs a talk show host. Your comment is pure POV. I believe in the importance of Wikipedia"s rules and worth. Can you please point to a timely and reliable source that Mr. Cuomo is a journalist and not an opinion maker? Regards Alainlambert (talk) 06:04, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

The sources cited above describe him as a journalist, and all have been published within the last four months. None are KyleJoan's "POV" (do you even understand what that term means?). They do not need to address your assertion that Cuomo is a talk show host, because they establish that he is a journalist. Please go do something constructive and stop wasting other editors' time. General Ization ^Talk 06:08, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Dear Gen, many thanks for contributing to a major study on Wikipedia. It was particularly helpful that you falsely stated that "I asserted that Cuomo is a talk show host." Once again, many thanks for being part of an important study on Wikipedia's political articles. If you have a change of heart and wish to post an unbiased and current source on Mr. Lemmon's role on CNN, I'd be happy to report it as such in my study. Best Alainlambert (talk) 06:18, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

I can't decide whether the OP is serious or trolling, but regardless, I would reverse the question, if anything. Cuomo works for a news network and is widely regarded as a journalist. I have never seen any reference to him as a talk show host, nor to his program as a talk show. Standing consensus here is that Cuomo is a journalist, and given his history in the field, that is well-supported. So, @Alainlambert, do you have a source for describing Cuomo's CNN program as a talk show and thereby Cuomo as a talk show host? The burden is on you to provide sources for this change.

As for your assertion that you are conducting some sort of "major study" of Wikipedia, what is your research question? The manipulation of the standard for sources and the level of confirmation bias I see in the discussion above and on Don Lemon's talk page render any conclusions you might reach invalid to my mind. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 08:39, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

The OP is trolling and needs to stop wasting our time. Above: "It was particularly helpful that you falsely stated that 'I asserted that Cuomo is a talk show host.'" And yet, here is the OP's edit, the one which immediately preceded this discussion: [13]. General Ization ^Talk 15:51, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Of course he’s trolling. I just wanted to draw him out a bit more. The study business is utter baloney as well. It’s time for someone to lower the block hammer. There’s a discussion of it starting on his talk page. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 18:14, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

OP blocked indef as more disruptive than constructive. General Ization ^Talk 21:12, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

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Interviewing Andrew Cuomo

What I added: "During the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic, Cuomo was criticized for conducting a series of deferential interviews with his older brother, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo. Chris Cuomo was accused of prioritizing ratings over journalistic ethics, and the segments with the older Cuomo were likened to 'jokey, amateur-hour prop comedy.' On June 24, Cuomo responded to these criticisms: 'Of course I'm not objective.'"

I cited Mediaite when I added the above information. This was reverted. Other sources exist that document the criticism Cuomo has received for interviewing his own brother. I think such criticisms should be documented. MetaTracker (talk) 05:15, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Not only is Of course, I'm not objective an incomplete quote, including it as a response to the undue criticism fails WP:SYNTH. KyleJoan^talk 02:58, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, the criticism is totally undue. Chris is a great guy and not at all an embarrassment to journalism. MetaTracker (talk) 07:01, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

No reason to include this in the article; it's insufficiently noteworthy. And your comment reveals that you are clearly pushing a POV. Softlavender (talk) 09:04, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I loathe Cuomo, but I'm a vehement proponent of objectivity and article neutrality, which is why I added context to that quote. I also think Ansel Elgort is a smug idiot, but I removed a sentence from his page concerning claims of racism, since it was speculative and unsubstantiated. But that's neither here nor there. MetaTracker (talk) 10:27, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Agreed; Mediaite is not a reliable source because of its tendency to clip and synthesize in order to shape content to its agenda. The only criticism I've seen was over the nasal swabs business, which was a bit adolescent for CNN. The media coverage I've read has been more discussion of the journalistic issues that surround Chris covering Andrew, but also noting that this is not something he ordinarily does, which he acknowledged right from the beginning. Most recognized that the unusual circumstances in which each brother found himself made a short term series of interviews reasonable, something both Cuomos recognize needed to be the case. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 09:48, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Gaining Consensus

I want to add this: "During the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic, Cuomo was criticized for conducting a series of interviews with his older brother, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, on his CNN program. The younger Cuomo was accused of prioritizing ratings over journalistic ethics. On June 24, he responded to these criticisms: 'He's my big brother. I love him. Of course, I'm not objective. But let's call it straight. Look at [New York]...Was it perfect? No. You tell me what is. But look at the state our country is in.'"

This is objectively impartial wording. In addition to the Atlantic piece, there are Times and Washington Post articles documenting these criticisms. No reason to exclude them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MetaTracker (talk • contribs) 07:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

No reason to include this in the article; it's insufficiently noteworthy. Softlavender (talk) 09:04, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree. There is no criticism, just a couple articles discussing the ethical issues surrounding his break from his usual policy of not covering his brother. I've seen all the interviews; in the first, he acknowledges this is a break from the usual practice. The most recent one appears to be the last, although he didn't explicitly say so, and he's been clear all the way through Andrew is his brother (as if that wasn't readily apparent.) But how important is it? I agree with Softlavendar; not very. It seems important right now, but as Chris goes on his merry way and there's some temporal distance, the importance will diminish. I'm not even sure the Fredo thing needs to be in the article; these little encounters happen and are soon forgotten. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 09:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

No, the Fredo thing was a pretty significant controversy, prompting responses from CNN and Trump. There's an argument to be made that it's the most exposure Cuomo's gotten. Regardless of whether we include this COVID-19 stuff, that should stay, much in the same way that the various Acosta-Trump incidents merit mentioning, even though they always blow over. MetaTracker (talk) 10:27, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

In addition to Softlavender and Drmargi's points, nothing in the Atlantic article cited raises any of the points this proposal tries to address. The article's title, which reads CNN Is Picking Ratings Over Ethics, doesn't even mention Cuomo by name. KyleJoan^talk 11:21, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I watched him with his brother most nights. (a) I thought he was pretty tough with him. (b) Including the proposed para. would give it undue influence. In short, NO Bellagio99 (talk) 01:10, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

I concur. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 05:12, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:WEIGHT. I'm not a fan of Chris Cuomo, but this addition is not warranted. Sundayclose (talk) 14:58, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Adding his controversy of breaking quarantine.

This article now smacks of bias, including his coronavirus diagnosis and not including his well-documented excursion in breaking quarantine.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8219809/Bicyclist-verbally-attacked-CNNs-Chris-Cuomo-slammed-host-bully.html

https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/long-island-bicyclist-verbally-attacked-by-chris-cuomo-fires-back/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chris-cuomo-cyclist-police-complaint-cnn-elderly-man-east-hampton-a9467471.html

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hes-scary-stupid-new-york-cyclist-singled-out-in-chris-cuomo-radio-rant-files-police-report

https://www.insideedition.com/man-mentioned-in-chris-cuomos-loser-fat-tire-biker-radio-rant-comes-forward-to-tell-his-side-of

Little or no mention is made of Cuomo's behavior. His article makes absolutely no mention of his breaking quarantine, or the threat he posed to a 60+ year old when he was called out on it. Chris Cuomo claimed he was quarantined in his basement during the lockdown, yet the story shows that he broke that quarantine, only to be followed by an almost ceremonial emergence from his basement when his symptoms subsided. These facts were corroborated by Cuomo himself, yet no trace of them are found in his wikipedia article. Wikipedia is rife with liberal bias, while there is open season on lambasting conservative personalities in these same pages. This is precisely why wikipedia is not allowed to be used at a collegiate or even high school level for citations, due to bias, inaccuracies and agendas. Wikipedia staff are showing clear bias by being the goalkeepers of this information, while slamming conservatives and locking their pages so as to control information.

"Let me control the textbooks, and I'll control the state" -Adolf Hitler — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.234.44.237 (talk) 21:08, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

He didn't break quarantine. He was at his own home, and the entire family had had COVID by the time this occurred. Mr. Bicycle was a local busybody who needed to mind his own business, nothing more and far from notable. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 09:35, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Okay, Chris. MetaTracker (talk) 00:10, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Chris? what are you suggesting? You comment is highly inappropriate, should be withdrawn. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 05:10, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

About to go into a meeting. Will get back to you on this. MetaTracker (talk) 08:19, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to break it to you, but Chris Cuomo admitted to it. Cuomo said on SiriusXM "I don’t want some jack–s, loser, fat tire biker being able to pull over and get in my space and talk bulls–t to me, I don’t want to hear it." So who is he saying this about? Did Cuomo run into this individual in his basement while under quarantine? He had a ceremonial emergence from his basement when he beat his COVID. This is why people don't trust wikipedia, and consider it a merely recreational source. Here are a few articles about said bias.

https://www.cnet.com/news/corruption-in-wikiland-paid-pr-scandal-erupts-at-wikipedia/ https://150sec.com/wikipedia-is-a-broken-system-says-co-founder-larry-sanger/11453/ https://hbr.org/2014/12/wikipedia-is-more-biased-than-britannica-but-dont-blame-the-crowd

"Let me control the textbooks, and I'll control the state" -Adolf Hitler — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.60.3.151 (talk) 18:06, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2020

It says chris cuomo quarantined."Since then, he has broadcast his usual weekday program from his home, where he is quarantined." He broke quarantine and a biker literally filed a police report. Don't give him credit for not following the rules. Sorces https://thehill.com/homenews/media/492907-hamptons-bicyclist-files-police-report-after-verbal-confrontation-with-cnns https://www.hernandosun.com/article/new-york-governors-brother-breaks-quarantine-rule 24.89.221.118 (talk) 06:21, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

No change. This was discussed at the time and deemed not notable. He moved from one family home to the other; it's WP:OR to make a judgment on whether he was appropriately quarantined. There was more to the story than the sources cover, especially where the biker is concerned. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 07:26, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

This is what propaganda and lying looks like. Openly, nakedly making excuses for left-wing figures and giving them leniency that right-wing figures would never get. Fact: Cuomo has repeatedly been exposed for violating the quarantine and mask rules that he supports. Stop lying, Wikipedia morons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:4C02:82C0:80F0:4E18:19E9:3B2B (talk) 20:21, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

It is absolutely astounding that you would act as though this is "not notable". If this were a conservative talking head he would have been crucified on his wikipedia page and you would have allowed it. The double standard on wikipedia with regard to left and right wing is really disturbing. You ignore negative behaviors by left wing commentators like Cuomo, and remove anything negative from the page. On conservative pages, you not only notate it, you make sure there is a mention right in the lead in paragraph, to ensure the negative is focused on.

Cuomo without a doubt broke quarantine protocol, he was in a vehicle and NOT in his basement, as he admitted on a radio show. In fact, it wouldn't be surprising if he and no one in his family even had covid, he's well known for what can at best be called stretching the truth. The fact that a well known TV personality would use language like “jackass loser fat-tire biker” to describe someone, and you say "not notable"... stunning. RTShadow (talk) 08:16, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

NYT and Washington Post articles on COVID-19 testing

Should the information on Chris Cuomo receiving special priority for COVID-19 testing early in the pandemic be covered in this article? Whoisjohngalt (talk) 18:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

It's being covered by several reliable sources and will probably result in an investigation or further coverage in the coming weeks, so I think this passes WP:NOTNEWS. I'd say include it. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 18:57, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Except the coverage has more to do with Andrew Cuomo's political crisis than Chris Cuomo being the recipient; the latter just happened to be named because he is famous as well. If any potential investigation happens and then results in a ruling that involves Chris Cuomo, then it would be appropriate to include. At this time, it does not pass NOTNEWS. KyleJoan^talk 19:29, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

It seems slightly more relevant for the Andrew Cuomo article, but I think there's a strong case to be made that it's due for this article too. All the articles I'm seeing specifically mention Chris getting priority testing. Other family members who received priority testing, like Matilda Cuomo, whose rather famous herself, hasn't been specifically mentioned. So in that case, it wouldn't be due to include this story in her article. And it looks like Chris along with other family members are already implicated in the impeachment inquiry/investigation. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 20:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Matilda Cuomo has been mentioned.[14][15][16][17][18][19] Furthermore, it's a bit of a reach to say that Chris Cuomo has been implicated in the impeachment inquiry, as no report has stated that he is likely to be charged with any wrongdoing. We're basically talking in hypotheticals because the existing coverage only says that he received a test when it was hard to obtain one. Maybe I'm the only one, but it seems superfluous to write "Chris Cuomo tested positive for COVID-19 in 2020. He received a test via his brother, who prioritized his family when he was not supposed to." KyleJoan^talk 20:39, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

In that case, it may be appropriate to include it in Matilda Cuomo's article too. No one is saying Cuomo is going to be charged with a crime (Chris Cuomo, at least) . It doesn't seem superfluous to me. The crux of the matter isn't that he got his test early, but how he got his test early. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 20:46, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Saying that Chris Cuomo was implicated insinuates that he committed some sort of wrongdoing, does it not? Not one reliable source has criticized him for taking the test. He's not being impeached. His employer has not taken any action. It seems like a regular news story reaching for a place in the historical, long-term view of Chris Cuomo's notability. KyleJoan^talk 21:09, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

It seems pretty clear that Gov. Cuomo used taxpayer resources to give the test to Chris Cuomo during a time of limited availability to the general public. He (Chris) is a central figure in most of the sources. I think it should go in to the article. It was removed and I would be happy to modify my original content.Whoisjohngalt (talk) 21:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Which reliable source mentions taxpayer resources? Which reliable source connected those taxpayer resources to any wrongdoing by Chris Cuomo? KyleJoan^talk 21:09, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I haven't heard anything about taxpayer resources specifically. But it's pretty undisputed that Andrew Cuomo used his power to prioritize his family. The original content could use some tweaking, but it should be restored. We just have to make sure not to suggest that Chris Cuomo committed a crime. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:14, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

This article is about Chris Cuomo, who did not use his power to prioritize his family. In any case, I smell an RfC in the works. KyleJoan^talk 21:24, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't really see the need for an RfC as of now. There seems to be a consensus to at least mention the story. We can work out the exact wording at a later time. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:29, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Given that an additional editor's objection to the material amounts to WP:IDONTLIKEIT, I still see a consensus for inclusion with exact wording to be determined. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 01:04, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

User:Drmargi, you did not WP:Assume good faith with an edit summary like that "This is an attempt to dirty up Chris, who had COVID, by association with Andrew". What does his having the virus have anything to do with? This also isn't "attempting to dirt up Chris", whatever that means, this is info that has been reported by many reliable sources and will have follow up to determine if the reports are accurate. If it is the follow up you want to wait for, fine, but an edit summary like that is just not necessary. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 01:20, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Per the Associated Press, "[Chris Cuomo] emerged Thursday as a central figure in the latest damaging stories about his older brother, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who allegedly gave special treatment to family members and friends during the early days of the pandemic a year ago." [20]. This is not just about Andrew Cuomo. There is no rational argument why this story is excluded from this article. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 02:24, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

I have two rational arguments: NOTNEWS and WP:RECENTISM. We get it; Chris Cuomo got special COVID-19 testing. Why are we continuing to belabor our respective points rather than opening the RfC that is likely to take place anyway? That aside, in addition to your refusal to adhere to WP:ONUS, your accusation of stonewalling was distasteful. Just because some editors disagree with you does not mean that your view has merit and theirs have none. KyleJoan^talk 04:25, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

KyleJoan, I do apologize for the comment. It was uncalled for. RECENTISM doesn't prohibit us from including recent material. Articles shouldn't, however, be overburdened with recent events. If the included material was over a paragraph long, then yes I would agree with you that such an amount of text would be undue. However, the included text is only one sentence. I don't think it should be more than two or three sentences. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 04:44, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Even the "Fredo" nonsense is three sentences. There's probably a better argument to get rid of that per NOTNEWS. This story, however, is obviously more noteworthy. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 04:55, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

While I still respectfully disagree, I appreciate the apology. I'll just wait for the RfC then. Cheers! KyleJoan^talk 04:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

RfC: Receiving COVID Test Early

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Should the article mention that Chris Cuomo received early/prioritized COVID testing as a result of his brother, Andrew Cuomo? Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 06:26, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

• Include There’s been a plethora of reliable sources (and more are sure to come) that are covering this matter. Mostly all sources mention Chris Cuomo as a main recipient of receiving the prioritized testing, as per the Associated Press: "[Chris Cuomo] emerged Thursday as a central figure in the latest damaging stories about his older brother, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who allegedly gave special treatment to family members and friends during the early days of the pandemic a year ago.” In keeping in line with WP:RECENTISM and proper WP:WEIGHT, 2 or 3 neutrally-worded sentences should suffice. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 06:44, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
• Exclude per RECENTISM, WP:NOTNEWS, and my comments above. The enduring notability of newsworthy events involving public figures and COVID-related matters of no consequence remains in question. If Chris Cuomo's prioritized testing is suitable for inclusion, then such are television host Amanda Kloots receiving a spare vaccine dose and the Kardashians flying to a private island, no? Moreover, if the long-term significance of the proposed material is that it is part of Andrew Cuomo's political controversies, then we have our answer. (Hint: This article is not about Andrew Cuomo.) KyleJoan^talk 08:19, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

  No idea what Amanda Kloots or the Kardashians have to do with this article (see: WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). Did they also have governors as relatives who supplied them with early COVID tests? You're correct that this article is not about Andrew Cuomo. Which is why it would be inappropriate to include something like the the nursing home scandal into this article since Chris Cuomo had nothing to do with the nursing home scandal. But, per sources, Chris Cuomo was directly involved in this specific event. Similarly, Chris Cuomo didn't really have anything to do with Gov. Cuomo's sexual harassment allegations. But we still mention it in this article since Chris Cuomo said he can't cover his brother's sexual harassment allegations. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 08:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

  Did they also have governors as relatives who supplied them with early COVID tests? - they clearly received special treatment - what difference does it make how person receives undue special treatment? special treatment is special treatment, is it not? That a subject got it from a politician relative is no more noteworthy as it relates to the subject than if they got it from some powerful friend behind the scenes that no ones heard of. The only difference is as it relates to Andrew Cuomo - and, this article isn't about him. The sexual allegations being mentioned is completely different, because Chris being Andrew's brother caused him to recuse himself from covering it: and that IS notable, because being a news anchor is what Chris Cuomo is primarily notable for. This had had no impact on that.

• Furthermore, I shall say that, as Chris Cuomo actually HAD Covid, it's likely a good thing he was tested when he was, other else he might not have known about it and could have unknowingly infected others when instead he was quarantining. Firejuggler86 (talk) 21:14, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

• Include Broad and notable coverage by high-quality RS: NYT, Wapo, AP etc. The issue was also the main subject of said articles. Please note that I was summoned here by a bot. ~ HAL333 17:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
• Include to an extent per my comments in the above thread. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 17:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
• Exclude per KyleJoan's rationale and also who is the emphasis of this story: Andrew Cuomo, not Chris. It can be addressed in his article. There is a constant effort here among certain more conservative editors to ascribe political motives to and interpretations of the actions of both Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon; this is another one of those cases where, as I noted before, there is an attempt to dirty up Chris by association with his brother's activities. The "reliable sources" quoted are about Andrew's favoritism for his family, not Chris. The whole thing has pretty much blown over already. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 19:00, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Doubling down on not WP:assuming good faith—pretty typical I guess... Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 19:34, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
• Exclude, per my comments above in reply to Dr Swag in reply to KyleJoan. Firejuggler86 (talk) 21:14, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
• Exclude - per WP:RECENTISM and WP:NOTNEWS. Just because something is reliably sourced and verifiable, doesn't automatically mean it's suited for inclusion, it's not a significant life event for the subject of this BLP. Isaidnoway (talk) 22:45, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
• Exclude It just seems like an extra piece of detail that isn't really necessary. Some1 (talk) 03:58, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
• Exclude WP:NOTNEWS applies , media coverage does not make everything significant enough to be included Guitarjunkie22 (talk) 10:57, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
• Exclude, because this is more about Andrew than Chris.Nyx86 (talk) 14:35, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
• Exclude per the points made above.Sea Ane (talk) 18:28, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
• Exclude from this article as per the above comments. Include in Andrew Cuomo. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:35, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
• Exclude - WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RECENTISM apply. I would not object to its inclusion to the Andrew Cuomo article, however, as there the information would be relevant to the actions of an elected official during a crisis. PraiseVivec (talk) 13:50, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
• Exclude – in an article of this length, even a sentence or two on this does not seem anywhere near WP:DUE. It probably has place and should be included in Andrew Cuomo, but as other editors have pointed out, including it here smells of WP:RECENTISM and WP:NOTNEWS. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 23:56, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
• Exclude Way more about Andrew than it is about Chris. Comatmebro (talk) 02:38, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

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