Talk:Chinese Communist Revolution/Archive 1

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we should vote on this

let's put it to a vote, shall we? 71.246.72.214 06:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a s=cite that shouldn't be used in the case of a history project. I have a friend who edited a page as a fist hand account of Hurrican Katrina, even though he has lived in TExas his whole life and was not there.

first, what are your reasons? a simple search shows that the term is not being used solely to refer to 1949.--Jiang 06:36, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the top google searches ARE for the 1949 revolution

Google lists the Chinese Revolution hits primarily as those referring to the Chinese Revolution ending in 1949 with the communist seizure of power. Some seem to include the years in the 1910s which would merge the Xinghai Revolution and Chiang Kai-Shek's republican/nationalist revolution into a single era, but in any case even that period ends with 1949 and the communist seizure of power away from Chiang's forces. This all casts the 1949 revolution as the main "Chinese Revolution." Again, I think we should have a vote on this. 71.246.93.238 09:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This page is meant to disambiguate. Please follow the standard disambiguation format and do not write an article in its place. There is no need to create duplicate and redundant articles. --Jiang 04:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

other pages do things like this

Jiang, I feel I am entitled to object on the grounds that other pages with straight names -- i.e., no parentheses or qualifiers -- also have articles that immediately go into its most popular, most accepted definition, yet have disambig italics at top, which the version of the page that explains the revolution as the 1949 revolution most certainly does have. Fact being, the 1949 revolution is the most widely recognized worldwide as the "Chinese Revolution," and a lot of pages dealing with communism link Chinese Revolution on them, which if your disambig were kept as opposed to letting the 1949 explanation version stand, could very well make the process more tedious for those lefties who thought they were going to find out basic info but instead were forced to click on Chinese Civil War and read up on the whole process as opposed to the summary -- a summary which, by the way, was gleaned directly from the most essential parts of the Civil War article; it wasn't a rewrite or a paraphrasing. 24.199.91.55 11:40, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article is redundant, as a topical overview of the 1949 revolution, with the Chinese Civil War article. The "topical disambiguation" would only work if you tried moving the content from the Chinese Civil War article over to here, which would be wholly inappropriate. Besides, topical disambiguation is only used when one of the choices overwhelmingly is favored over the others. But this isn't the case! And it isn't settled whether the communist revolution starts earlier, in 1927, or only includes the final stage of fighting. From everything Ive read, including speeches by communist leaders, the revolution refers to the former with the Long March included. The very term "Chinese Revolution" is inherently ambiguous and is not used in serious literature.

If linking to a disambiguation page is a problem, the let's fix the links! Proper implementation of Wikipedia:Summary style would entail starting an article on the War of Liberation that is longer and more detailed than the Chinese_Civil_War#Final_stage_of_fighting_.281946.E2.80.931950.29 section.--Jiang 12:46, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

IP users

This is a disambiguation page. Please use your common sense: Chinese revolution does not specifically refer to the general War of Liberation. Any further changes without explanation will be reported. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 04:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This should be a disambiguation page. The Communist takeover of 1949 was not a revolution and is never referred to as one by serious historians. This page is unscholarly and ridiculous.116.28.15.77 (talk) 11:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fox news' site

This site: [Fox News] has an article about this revolution.Agre22 (talk) 13:51, 1 October 2009 (UTC)agre22[reply]

Meow

A google search [1] of the word "Chinese Revolution" turns up several different meanings. Please don't make it a fork for the chinese civil waar article. Blueshirts (talk) 05:19, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: pages moved per discussion Ronhjones ^(Talk) 01:38, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese Revolution → Chinese Revolution (1949) — The term "Chinese Revolution" is clearly ambiguous (is that possible?) and most often refers to the 1911 Revolution (Xinhai Revolution), not the end of the Chinese Civil War. — AjaxSmack 01:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese Revolution (disambiguation) → Chinese Revolution

There is no primary topic for this term. In addition to referring to the 1911 revoltion and the end of the Civil War in 1949, it is also a general term for the turmoil in China in the 19th and 20th centuries (note John King Fairbank's seminal The Great Chinese Revolution 1800-1985). See these Google Book Results and Google Scholar Results for a sample of the various applications of the term. — AjaxSmack 01:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Survey and discussion

Support as nom. — AjaxSmack 01:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support I definitely think of the one in 1911 first. 76.66.194.212 (talk) 07:58, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the edit history of Chinese Revolution (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) indicate that the page was a disambiguation page up until November 2009, when someone converted it to an article. If the article is renamed, I suggest that the edit history predating November 2009 be kept here, and that dab page restored, and then updated with new disambiguation links for additional pages. 76.66.194.212 (talk) 07:58, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment after some searching, I found Chinese Communist Revolution (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)/Chinese Communist Revolution, which was merged into Chinese Civil War back in February 2010, because of a discussion at WT:WikiProject China/Archive/February 2010 saying it was a topic duplicate of that page, so this current page is a WP:CFORK of the civil war article, and thus should be rolled back to the version where it was still a dab page, in November 2009. 76.66.194.212 (talk) 10:01, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Johnbod (talk) 13:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support As above; "Chinese Revolution" is ambiguous. The Celestial City (talk) 22:29, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support to avoid ambiguity, as some may believe this refers to the ROC-establishing revolution. And as somewhat of a sidenote, the Chinese Civil War article does not mention this term at all. --HXL 's Roundtable, and Record 00:29, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Love him or loathe him, the victory of Mao and his supporters is the best-known Chinese Revolution. PatGallacher (talk) 21:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I think the Cultural Revolution is the best known Chinese Revolution, not the Communist Revolution. 65.94.47.218 (talk) 06:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support The term often refers to the 1911 revolution. Kanguole 11:58, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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January 2013 tag

This article may have been copied from a source. After the end of a sentence, there may be a roman numeral. What does that numeral mean? There are no numerals in the references section. JC · Xbox · Talk · Contributions 22:56, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There was a massive edit on December 4 which added an block of unbroken text: Here Over the next few edits the text was slightly formatted but no notes or references. ch (talk) 07:32, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move (2013)

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 00:52, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese Revolution (1946−1950) → Chinese Communist Revolution – As mentioned above, there was an article titled "Chinese Communist Revolution" that was merged into Chinese Civil War, because it was considered topic duplicate of this article, looking back, I think that's a better, more accurate title. Charles Essie (talk) 16:50, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

comment the phrase "Chinese Communist Revolution" is definitely very notable since it has 133,000 results in Google Books. [2] I'm leaning towards support, however, I'd like to hear others' comments. --Երևանցի ^talk 00:22, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Would Deletion Be the Best Policy?

Should this article be deleted? I have tagged it for deletion because I think that would be the best thing but also to give other editors the chance to form a consensus on how to deal with several issues:

This page is a WP:CONTENTFORK. That is, it duplicates a topic from another article. The two sections Chinese Civil War#Immediate post-war clashes (1945–1946) and Chinese Civil War#Resumed fighting (1946–1950) are more detailed than this article. The second section is sourced in Vietnamese, however, so could use some work.

This article has serious issues of fact and interpreation: "The Soviet Union provided little aid to the communists" and "Nationalist forces were surviving almost entirely by the grace of their international capitalist sympathisers (chiefly, the United States)."

This article is a WP:STUB, that is, too summary to be useful to a reader, and it would not make sense to develop it when there is already better coverage elsewhere.

Does this make sense? My understanding is that the discussion should take place on the Deletion discussion page, where I will also post these reasons.

All the best. ch (talk) 19:32, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chinese Communist Revolution for the discussion. tl;dr decided the article should be improved, not deleted. - Metal lunchbox ^(talk) 11:26, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I look forward to the improvements to this article from editors who wanted to retain it. ch (talk) 00:07, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I look forward to the improvements to this article. MaynardClark (talk) 21:00, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ridiculous name!

It wasn't a revolution, it's never referred to as a revolution. It's ridiculous that this article should have such a silly name!92.90.17.136 (talk) 12:22, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 December 2020

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It was proposed in this section that Chinese Communist Revolution be renamed and moved to Chinese Civil War.

result:
Procedural close on two counts: 1) The name Chinese Civil War titles an article with significant content and so that title is ineligible as a "new" target title for this article, and 2) that title is presently requested to be moved in the proposal at Talk:Chinese Civil War/Archive 1#Requested move 23 December 2020. Therefore this move request must wait until that proposal is resolved. If a page merger is preferred, then the instructions at Wikipedia:Merging should be followed. (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 05:44, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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To add to article

To add to the first paragraph of this article: the years this revolution takes place. The infobox says 1945-1950 while the first paragraph implies (but does not state conclusively) that it began in 1946 and ended in 1949. Please fix! 173.88.246.138 (talk) 21:07, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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