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Archive 1

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Stub status

I have classified this article as a stub due to its relatively short status. Capitalistroadster 07:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Feminism is innate in nature. It is natural and it is part of human person. It has ever been, it is now... Donatus Osas (talk) 13:06, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey, @Donatus Osas! Just in case, you're logged in, what were you trying to say? — Python Drink (talk) 12:32, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Mistakes

Erm I edited a few wrong facts on this page, she wasn't born in that town. Toks417 00:30, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, and welcome to Wikipedia. Do you have any sources which say she was born in Enugu, so we can verify it and ensure it isn't changed back? Picaroon (t) 00:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Well I'll try and some verifiable sources, but she is my aunt so I just called and asked her. Maybe I can get her to put it on her website and such. toks (talk) 05:49, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Bibliography

Have commenced tidy-up of the Bibliography section using cite templates and tables for short stories, poems and/or book reviews. Capitalization and punctuation follow standard cataloguing rules in AACR2 and RDA, as much as Wikipedia templates allow it; feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 (talk) 01:40, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Igbo-American

Note that addition of this category is a WP:BLP violation. The article does not say she is American. There is no references which say she is American.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:54, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

This one says she has permanent residence but not citizenship.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 15:36, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. This, we have a COI editor deliberately adding wrong information, aka vandalism. I am going to revert the edit.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:41, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

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Name

The subject is repeatedly referred to in the article as Adichie. Is this correct? Is Ngozi a given name or a part of the family name?--Ymblanter (talk) 21:13, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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Why was "feminist" removed from her introductory description

The last time I read this article it used to read Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie is a Nigerian novelist, ..., feminist, .... But it seem like that has been removed. Was the removal due to a manual of style violation? The reason I'm bring this up is that her feminist views has been putting her in the local news lately more than her books, and it only seem appropriate that - that part of her is well pronounced in the article. HandsomeBoy (talk) 20:11, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, @HandsomeBoy: I haven't found the revision you're referring to and have gone back to this 2014 revision but still no trace of it. I only found this recent revert which removed (newly added) "feminist" in occupation parameter, and yes being feminist is not an occupation actually. Are you referring to that or can you give the version you're talking about? –Ammarpad (talk) 22:00, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

No, when I removed the "feminist" as an occupation, the above comment was already here, I have read it prior to my removal.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:16, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for looking it up @Ammarpad:, maybe I was wrong about it being in the lede, I am always doing many things at the same time. When I saw her trending on Nigerian Twitter for her feminist statements during a recent interview for the second time in less than a month, I said I should revisit her article again to be sure it was in a good state. Personally, I think if she continues with more extreme feminist views like what she said yesterday that men should not open doors for women because it makes women seem weak, then I think I will start a discussion here on why there should be a line of text on her position on feminism in the lede.HandsomeBoy (talk) 19:40, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Feminism in Esan cosmology

It is argued that the concept of feminism is alien to Esan, thus it should not be a problem in Esan. It is very clear that there is no TOTAL equality in all ramifications among both sexes. For instance a woman has never be the "odionwere" in Esan land. What more of subjugation and deprivation of their right. One can infer therefore that feminism is inherent in Esan cosmology. I leave this open for comment (s). Donatus Osas (talk) 13:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Death of both her parents

I think we should add that her father has died a year ago and now I hear her mom passed away yesterday Nlivataye (talk) 06:17, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

'It Is Obscene'

On June 16, User:124.246.159.137 added some information about Adichies essay It Is Obscene: A True Reflection In Three Parts. This was not just neutral information, but also a description with some quotes: "The essay focuses on the conduct of young people on social media “who are choking on sanctimony and lacking in compassion”, who she says are part of a generation “so terrified of having the wrong opinions that they have robbed themselves of the opportunity to think and to learn and to grow”."
This addition was removed by User:71.86.115.116 with this edit summary: "took out last paragraph of “writing career” as it somewhat misrepresented the essay she wrote (for one example, she is clear in her essay that the aversive behavior of the members of the younger generation is not across-the-board...for another, the majority of the piece focuses on two situations in which she felt wronged, which added context to Part Three, which the previous editor failed to include), and it appears unclear if relevant for her Wikipedia bio."
It was added again, by the same user as before, this time without the description and quotes, and removed again by User:Ymblanter with this edit summary: "this was rejected it means discussion is needed".
IMHO the 'neutral information' (without the description and quotes) is an acceptable edit, especially because there is a reference by The Guardian. What do you think? Laurier (talk) 07:17, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Without reading the work on her blog (which is probably not notable enough for Wikipedia anyway), just the Guardian piece is enough to see that she was trying to rebut some public comments taken out of context by 2 ex-students of a writing class. I guess twitter wars between writers is completely normal on social media and professional writers are probably much better wordsmiths that lowly Wikipedians like us. All of that being said, I agree discussion is needed to argue for the relevance of including it in her Wikipedia page. It certainly doesn't seem relevant to her life or her work, unless you consider her more a teacher than a writer, and even then, I don't understand why the opinions of a student are more important than the opinions of a teacher. If the whole class had walked out, then maybe, but it all depends on how the class was formed, I suppose. Jane (talk) 17:07, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Ethiopian??

What the?? I swore she was Nigerian. What's up with that? Alphatina (talk) 01:57, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

She is Nigerian.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:49, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

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Reith Lectures

I did not see anything in this article on how she delivered the first of the 2022 Reith Lectures, on freedom of speech. YTKJ (talk) 21:37, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

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Prowess

How does a goddess with life giving energy birth words that bring nations to her knees? 197.211.53.63 (talk) 09:12, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

Passed. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

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Nominator: Otuọcha (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 19:07, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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A lot of work, but it can be done. Be careful that in rewording you don't introduce new errors. (Disappointing, on a personal note, to find that she's a TERF, but that's well beyond the scope of this review.) Ping me when done or if you have questions. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:56, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Did you know? If you fancy doing so, I always have plenty of GA nominees to review. Just look for the all-uppercase titles in the Television section. Reviews always appreciated.

- - possibly when done after here!

Copy changes

Lead

Adichie is the author of eight books which includes; Purple Hibiscus (2003), Half of a Yellow Sun (2006), Americanah (2013), We Should All Be Feminists (2014), Dear Ijeawele, or A Feminist Manifesto in Fifteen Suggestions (2017), Notes on Grief (2021) and Mama's Sleeping Scarf (2023). change to "eight books, which include Purple". a semicolon is not used to set off lists, and a colon shouldn't be used here, either.

Done

MOS:LEAD: Add a little bit of the early life and education section, even one or two sentences, so it reflects more of the totality of the article. Think of the lead like the article in miniature.
Done: modified from my latest copy.
New! is a Nigerian writer and novelist known for her debut novel Purple Hibiscus (2003). She was recognized as one of the BBC's 100 women in 2021. Since then The "Since then" has become split from its dependent part by the BBC piece, resulting in the oddness of 2021 ... since then ... 2006. Fix.
Removed: replaced with "and" for continual movement and not depicting the book.

Early life

he is a native of Abba a locality in Njikoka, Anambra State Comma after "Abba"
Done: From the latest modification
Her mother Grace Ifeoma (1942–2021), was the university's first female registrar. No comma needed.
Done: fixed already

Education

at Drexel University in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania you can just say "Philadelphia"; it's a large enough US city.
Done: I was considering leaving it just "Drexel University" but it's broad now.
"Hodder Fellow" with capital F
Done: capitalized
Adichie has been awarded sixteen honorary doctorate degrees from universities including Yale University, the University of Pennsylvania, the University of Edinburgh, Duke University, Georgetown University, Johns Hopkins University, and the Catholic University of Louvain, where she received her sixteenth in a ceremony on 28 April 2022. Do we need to know the when on Louvain?
Fixed: added Belgium from the source since there exist many Catholic University of Louvain. Better now and more broad, factual with the when (date).

Writing career

This section reads choppily with many short, one- or two-sentence paragraphs. Consider combining some.
Done: combined various sources and removed compatible blogs
Adichie published Decisions, a collection of poems in 1997 and For Love of Biafra, a play in 1998 Add a comma after "1997" to complete the appositive.
Done
Her short story "My Mother, the Crazy African" according to Adichie was a story dating from when she was a college senior living in Connecticut, discusses the problems that arise when a person is facing two cultures that are complete opposites from each other. Reword/grammar fix: Her short story "My Mother, the Crazy African", according to Adichie, was a story dating from when she was a college senior living in Connecticut; it discusses the problems that arise when a person is facing two cultures that are complete opposites from each other.
Done
- No need to link Connecticut here.
- Fixed Done
The Zoetrope/Topic sentence should be incorporated into another paragraph to avoid one or two-sentence paragraphs.
Done: already moved
Her first novel, Purple Hibiscus (2003) received Comma after (2003)
Done: fixed also for related ones
Half of a Yellow Sun received the 2007 Orange Prize for Fiction and the Anisfield-Wolf Book Award. Half of a Yellow Sun was adapted into a film of the same title directed by Biyi Bandele, starring BAFTA award-winner and Academy Award nominee Chiwetel Ejiofor and BAFTA winner Thandiwe Newton, and was released in 2014. In November 2020, Half of a Yellow Sun was voted by the public to be the best book to have won the Women's Prize for Fiction in its 25-year history.
Done:latest version already incorporated
- This needs a reword. Half of a Yellow Sun received the 2007 Orange Prize for Fiction and the Anisfield-Wolf Book Award. It was adapted into a film of the same title directed by Biyi Bandele, starring Chiwetel Ejiofor and Thandiwe Newton, which was released in 2014. In November 2020, Half of a Yellow Sun was voted by the public to be the best book to have won the Women's Prize for Fiction in its 25-year history. This reduces redundancy in listing the title.
Done: earlier to this version have been changed to this version. Fixed well!
Try avoiding WP:PROSELINE where it reads like a prose-formatted timeline.

New! In 2020, Adichie published Zikora, a stand-alone short story about sexism and single motherhood and her stories have appeared in Topic Magazine. This is not the place for the Topic item, as the two halves of the sentence do not relate to each other at all.
Done: completely removed. May consider fixing when appropriate.

Lectures

The content about TED Talk popularity should ideally be cited to an article, not a list. If this is necessary, maybe saying 20 most-viewed as of 2024 might work.
Done: already changed. I was also thinking about that. Since, it's basically YouTube viewing, I guess saying 20 most-viewed as of 2024 has been used.
[58] is dead.
- Fixed: archived new source
No need for a colon after "entitled".
- Done: removed colon
Wikilink the book as "a book"; no need to restate its title.
- Done
Should "TedXEuston" be "TEDxEuston"?
- Done: changed to "TEDxEuston".
she stated that she did not want another person to define her responsibility and she rather defined her responsibility for herself but did not mind using her platform to speak up for someone else try rewording? this is dense.
There is no need for the "Flawless" sampling to be a subheader of its own; remove it and consolidate that information into one paragraph.
- Done: reworded and paraphrased.
Not every lecture needs to be a level-3 header: the last two probably should be combined.
- Done: merged. Will edit wholly.

Views

stating that a crime is a crime for a reason because a crime has victims, and that since consensual homosexual conduct between adults does not constitute a crime, the law is unjust. maybe stating that actual crimes have victims and consensual homosexual conduct between adults does not rise to that standard of crime, making the law unjust.

Done: used and paraphrased!

Adichie was also close friends with Kenyan openly gay writer Binyavanga Wainaina, and when he died on 1 May 2019, after suffering a stroke in Nairobi, Adichie said in her tribute that she was struggling to stop crying. drop comma after 2019 to improve reading
- - Done
In 2020, Adichie weighed into "all the noise" sparked by J. K. Rowling's article titled "J.K. Rowling Writes about Her Reasons for Speaking out on Sex and Gender Issues", and called the essay "perfectly reasonable" Replace "and called" with "calling" (CinS)
- - Done
In late 2022, she faced further criticism for her views, after in an interview with The Guardian, saying: Less verbose: In late 2022, she faced further criticism for her views after telling The Guardian,
- You may want to disambiguate by saying "the British newspaper The Guardian" because the Nigerian publication of the same name is mentioned later.
  - Done

Awards

In 2016, she was conferred with an honorary degree, Doctor of Humane Letters honoris causa, by Johns Hopkins University. In 2017, she was conferred an honorary degree, Doctor of Humane letters, honoris causa, by Haverford College and The University of Edinburgh. In 2018, she received an honorary degree, Doctor of Humane Letters, from Amherst College. She received an honorary degree, doctor honoris causa, from the Université de Fribourg, Switzerland, in 2019. This is a laundry list. Consider just listing the key universities that have conferred degrees.
- - Done: adjusted and removed full stops which will make a sentence case. @User:Sammi Brie, I'm thinking of removing the "honorary degree" mention in the career part, since it was well cited here. What do you think?

Sourcing and spot checks

Priority item: References 160–165 are bare URLs. That is unacceptable at GA. Use citation templates like the other 159 references.
- Working: readily working on that.
  - Looks like this is not an issue — there are also now 27 fewer refs.
What makes Grade Saver a reliable source?
- Done: changed Grade Saver. Though, I do see it being cited in literature related articles.
What makes Answers Africa a reliable source?
- Answers Africa is clear in its editorial policy. It's just that I also want to see a more reliable source. So, I have changed it. Done
Can "Linda Ikeji's Blog" be replaced with a reliable source that is not a blog? (We may also use the social posts directly as ABOUTSELF if they still exist)
Done: replaced already with Vanguard News, a more reliable source than a blog.
What makes BellaNaija a reliable source?
Done: Bella Naija sometimes gets news about pop and culture, but rechecking that article seems promotional, so, I have replaced that here

Spot checks

1: Includes Ivara's name in an image caption as her husband; mentions division of time between Nigeria and the US. Y
3: Unsure of reliability. For a date of birth, I want to see a better source than Grade Saver. Y
- Done: changed to an article from The Nation. It's about a birthday, and it's mostly reliable for citing dates of birth.
12: Mark as a dead link: the URL now goes to an unrelated page. Unsure of reliability. The phrasing "receiving several academic prizes" is identical, but honestly, with no detail in the source, there's really no other way to phrase this. I would like to see you try and find a better source for this info. Y
- Fixed: changed to another source.
16: Odd that it's a mirror at Harvard, but the content checks out. Y
20: Checks out. Change from "MacArthur Fellow" to "MacArthur Fellowship" since you say she received a fellowship, not saying she was named a fellow. Y
43: Book review. Consider adding more critical reception content when reviews are available to this article; it'll help so much. Y
59: Ms. article about the 2019 talk checks out. Y
76: GhostArchive backup of the Facebook post. An accurate quote of her own statement. Y
81: This plus 80 check out for the quote. Y
90: 2002 shortlisting from the prize's website. Y
100: Biography as part of the Africa 39. Y
112: Unsure of reliability. Content checks out. Y
- Done: replaced source to Vanguard News
121: Shortlisting of Americanah for International Dublin award in 2015. Y
125: PEN Pinter Prize win. Y

Copyvio/CLOP

Mostly banal phrases and work titles: "study communications and political science", "the university’s first female registrar", and attributed quotes (some from her own social media).
- Working: you know since this is usually a literature, some of it's quotations needs to appear from the original work.
  - That part makes sense. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
@Sammi Brie. Thanks for the reviewing. You are an awesome Wikipedian; for the wellness of editing and reviewing. I will say you do check out the page now for finalizing. I probably hope it met GA and I have done the critical review and suggestions. At this extent, may inquire any other problem. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 14:13, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Media

This article has four pieces of media: two images and two sound clips.

One voice clip was released under the BBC voice project. A VRT ticket is on file.
The other is a longer clip from Bookbits which appears to be properly licensed.
The headshot is a still from a 2015 CC-licensed YouTube video.
The Ms. magazine cover has a VRT ticket.

Encouragement: Add alt text to images for accessibility.

- - Done

@Otuọcha: Now the lead is too long and needs to be slimmed down just a little bit. Four paragraphs is about right, but it's too long in each paragraph. You are making much larger changes than I would anticipate at GA, so I have even more issues. Please stop making major changes to article content at this point. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Was thinking of something related to FA. Corrected!
- "Transgenderism" is not WP:NPOV, and "advocating the rights and non segregation of transgenderism." does not make sense. I understand English is not your first language, so I assume this has been added in good faith, but as an "ism", it's almost always used pejoratively.
- Removed: forgot "transgenderism" is derogatory. Thinking a lot! English is my first language perhaps of a typical Nigerian and one who had studied in a nation that speaks English–America. Sometimes, confusion do come. Thanks better!
- What does "pinned opinions" mean?
- Removed: not necessary, an over addition
- The "Breakthrough and writing" subsection has too many subheaders. All of them should be removed.
- Removed
- The image added in the Personal life section should be switched to right-alignment, as it currently bumps a level-2 header to the right.
Done: it's more difficult for a mobile user; though I do log in on "desktops" at times.
- Footnote 3 should go back in the body of the article, especially as it contains the reference for this content.
- @Sammi Brie: I didn't get you here

- - I feel like I've dragged this thing to GA, simply because further edits introduced more copy errors. Thank you for bearing with me. It's finally ready. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:07, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

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Poor Grammar in some sections

Currently not logged in, and I don’t have the time to do a full makeover of the grammar in this article, so I am leaving this here partly as a note to self and partly to bring attention. The section I saw was the one on her views, that had many nonsensical sentences, random capitalization, and lack of spaces and punctuation.

66.211.223.194 (talk) 16:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)