Talk:Cherry Poppin' Daddies

Dustin Lanker and Dan Schmid

I remember reading last year that Dustin and Dan left to join The Visible Men, but on the Resurrection forum photos from the March 25, 2006 performance definitely show Dan on bass. I'm not positive Dustin was on keyboard, but I think it was (hair was different or something, as with many of them).

I first put them under former members, but after looking at the photos for a while, moved them back to current. Unless anyone has any more definite info, I'd say we should leave it that way until the new official site has an updated member list or something.

I took the members from the liner notes of all of the albums to do the member list. If anybody has better dates or anything, feel free to adjust them. I provided a starting point based on what the albums said at each point.

UnhandledException 09:12, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Now that the touring has become more frequent and the official myspace page has been edited, it is certain that the two "Visible Men" are indeed still with the Daddies. It is now certain that the lineup really hasn't changed at all since 2000 or so, which is nice to see... UnhandledException 06:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes they did indeed leave the band to start The Visible men; Tim was also in The Visible Men but did not stay. The band had a reconciliation in 2002 and have been "back together" ever since.

Also Dang Outlet is Dan Schmid --Madame o 12:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that the Visible Men's first album gave Tim a drummer credit, but didn't actually reference him as a member of the band. That explains it. --UnhandledException 23:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Greatest Hits?

A few sites list a greatest hits CD as having been released in 2003. I have even read a review talking about how it has only stuff from Zoot Suit Riot and Soul Caddy, so it isn't of much use to CPD fans. To my knowledge, this thing doesn't actually exist (I have been wrong before). Is this something that was planed and never happened or was the release so small that it is completely off the radar. I have never seen it at any store new or used, nor have I ever seen it on ebay. Anybody know the truth?

UnhandledException 09:28, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Here's a link to a review: review UnhandledException 22:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

This is something that was talked about happening because of some contract stuff what was going on with thier former record lable. When MOJO was sold it was a big mess i won't go in to it here but in the end there was talk, it did not happen, the daddies did not want it to happen and it turn out that way. --Madame o 07:54, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Cool. I have always wondered about this. So apparently AMG got some sort of promo copy and reviewed it. Just as well, it would be pretty redundant. I'm sure that's how the daddies felt about it, too. --UnhandledException 23:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Jack and Jill / WYTKZ

I've seen two other songs on at least one Cherry Poppin' Daddies set list.

Jack and Jill

Is this song Count Basie's Jack and Jill or some variation of the nursery rhyme? If anybody knows for sure, it should be added to the live list.

WYTKZ

I have no idea what this stands for or what it means. It was on a set list.

UnhandledException 07:09, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

• • I have some bootlegs from their shows and all their music (even before swing when they were just called 'The Daddies') So I will go break these out and check for you. --Brian ^{(How am I doing?)}

• "WYKZ" Is the way Mr White keys in written on set list. --Madame o 12:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I was trying to think of what it was an acronym for, and it was phonetic! UnhandledException 22:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

• "jack & Jill" is not a Count Basie song, it’s about whisky jack and vodka Jill --Madame o 12:12, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

"Cherry Poppin Daddies are" vs "is"

I've changed the lead sentence to refer to the Cherry Poppin' Daddies as a "they" rather than an "it". This pretty much matches the usage of the rest of the article, including the second sentence in the intro, which says of the band, "They consider their style to be...". Hopefully this is agreeable? I think it sounds more natural, especially since the band's name "Cherry Poppin' Daddies" seems like it should be plural. T. S. Rice 08:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

• I have also changed the wording for the first paragraph from 'fad' into 'swing revival' as that is what it is concidered. --Brian ^{(How am I doing?)} 15:54, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Grammatically incorrect, I'm afraid.

More History Please

I lived in Seattle around the same time as "Ferociously Stoned", thoroughly enjoyed it and their live shows were incredible back then as well, so I don't understand starting the history at "Zoot Suit". Very sorry I wasn't enough of a scenester at the time to add anything relevant here. Also, I think a "Controversy" section be added as (I need references for this, dates, names, etc.) at one point their record company forced them to change their name to "The Daddies". This only lasted for a seven-inch single and some live shows, I don't recall if the record company capitulated or if CPD moved to a new label but they were back with the original name soon after. hpp3 15:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I have been compiling a thorough history for about four months now, using archive.org to resurrect sites that are long past. As soon as I have time to finish compiling this research (currently about 60%), I will be giving the band's history the completeness it deserves. I can't promise it soon, but it is in the works. We'll just have to take wagers of whether I will get this done before or after the new official site is complete at this point. UnhandledException 18:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Wish I could help more, really...hpp3 18:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

CPD has gone by many names, some was because they where ask to clean up thier name, sometimes it was just for fun. Mostly you see "the daddies" ,"Merry Poppin Daddies" and sometimes "big Yank". --Madame o 12:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I lived in Eugene at the time of their formation, and knew Steve and Dan pretty well, when they first started playing around town as the CPD it really made some of the uber-PC liberals s--t their pants, I remember a letter to the editor of the local paper claiming for a boycott of the band whose name was actually "the father's who rape their virgin daughters!!!". Absolutely laughable, but typical for Eugene's social climate. Anyway, as usual the mob of hippies got their way in that town, and many places like the W.O.W. hall (which was probably the biggest venue they played in locally back then) bowed to public pressure and threats of picket lines and wouldn't let them play under CPD. Other places followed suit, and it was around this time that you would see flyers with many different names, such as "cencorshippin' daddies" etc. until I think they got tired of the games and started playing locally most often as just "the Daddies", although according to Steve the name was always officially still CPD. I don't know if any stuff about subsequent label demands is true or not, just thought i'd throw in a little bit of pre-history.

One other thing, the song "No Mercy for Swine" on the b-side of the Zoot Suit 7" isn't actually written by Perry as listed, it's a song by Etherteen, a locally infamous punk-rock band that had broken up about 3 years before CPD, and with whom Steve and some of the other CPD members were friends. --Some random wikipedia surfer too lazy to log in.

I've been doing tons and tons of research thanks to the now defunct Daddyworld.com, and am piecing together a comprehensive biography of them. So far I've got the beginnings down. I would have waited for Unhandled Exception to do it, but it's been over a year, and I know how easy it is to lose interest in projects...Skibz777 03:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC) Well, I tried my best. It's not good, but it's a start. Anybody can fix it up if they so wish. Pictures would be nice. I have a few live ones taken several months ago, but they're..."eh". Skibz777 04:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

the way you uses your mouth

Is in no way a CPD song and i think is should not be listed here. it's not a Solo project eather, it was steve messing around in the studio with a friends one day. Said friend then sold song.

Given what I have learned about the song I would tend to agree with you at this point. UnhandledException 22:38, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

More Recent Photo

Does anybody have a good more-recent photo that includes all eight members that they would be willing to donate to the public domain for use on this page. This "fair use" promotional one is getting pretty dated, so much that I'm not even positive that it contains all of the current eight. Madam O might be able to help out with this one. UnhandledException 22:50, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

There are no new press shots yet, but this one located here http://www.paradiseartists.com/artists/cherry_poppin_daddies/splash.jpg is the most current. I don't know off the top of my head who toke it, but it is the same person/place that toke the ones for Soul Caddy. --Madame o 07:35, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

p.s. the currant photo dose have has all the members since is has been the same band since 1999.. well not really John was on keys for a bit but then Dustin came back. there was only one promo photo that has john in it. Thats the one you see on the guys in from of Bally's.--Madame o 22:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Good, if it has the current 8, it's good enough in my book until some official promos come out with the new album. --UnhandledException 23:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

This is the last Promo "fair use" photo http://www.inmusicwetrust.com/articles/images/34/h01.jpg which is still to this day used. I think it's a better more current look of what the band looks like.

Missing Compilation

You guys don't have this compilation on there. Why not? Leitmotiv (talk) 08:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

• It is on there, under the "Other Non-Album Tracks" section. The "Compilations" section you (or someone) posted it under is reserved just for all-Daddies compilations ("Zoot Suit Riot" and "Skaboy JFK" are compilations consisting of previous CPD songs).Skibz777 (talk) 08:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Cherry Poppin' Daddies/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Starting to review the article based on Wikipedia:Good article criteria:

1. Well-written: (a) the prose, spelling and grammar are acceptable. (b) the lead section is fine. should be boosted. Per Wikipedia:Lead section, "the lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article." Specifically, the "The band spent most of the 1990s touring extensively and recording, with their self-produced, ska-influenced third album, 1996's Kids on the Street, earning distribution by Caroline Records and appearing on Rolling Stone's Alternative Charts." does not do justice to the 1988–96 history sections.

2. Factually accurate and verifiable: I have left some notes below. Many of the references appear to violate WP:LINKVIO but I don't see where in the GA criteria this is addressed so I have brought it up in the general sense below at Talk:Cherry Poppin' Daddies#Linkvio. There are numerous other sources available like Google News.

3. Broad in its coverage: Includes standard sections on history of band, style, influences, discography, members.

4. Neutral: Fair and balanced. Explains positive and negative criticisms of the band.

5. Stable: No evidence of instability.

6. Illustrations/Sound clips: The images are ok. However, the sound clips do not meet the requirements of Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline. Specifically, each File page should have "A separate, specific rationale must be provided each time the [sound clip] is used in an article. The name of the article the [sound clip] is used in must be included in the rationale." Currently all the sound clips are used in multiple articles but separate rationales are not provided for each article. The rationale can also be augmented by listing who specifically the copyright holder is (ie. the source).

Signed --maclean 01:56, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Even though I added the sound clips, I'm beginning to think they're frivolous. Obviously the big singles deserve a place in the article, but the other ones I added simply for the illustration of the band's multi-genre approach. I can do what's asked of them (provide rationale, copyright information), but unless I'm wrong, it might be better off to remove them altogether. Skibz777 (talk) 05:40, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I consider them optional. I'm generally not a fan of non-free content but they do have valid rationale attached to them in describing the music. No amount of writing will adequately describe the sound of the band as a sound clip will. As long as each one kept here strictly follows the Fair Use criteria it should be fine. maclean 06:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Notes as I review...

• "Formation" 1st paragraph - 2 cites provided:
  • "The Cherry Poppin' Daddies' genesis began when singer/songwriter Steve Perry moved to Eugene, Oregon in the early 1980s." - unable to verify early 1980s or the link between Perry's move with formation of CPD which seems to occur years later.
  • no mention of Binghamton in either citation
  • "relocated to the Northwest to enroll in the University of Oregon" - unable to verify that the reason for Perry's move was solely to enroll in UoO
• "Formation" 2nd paragraph - 2 cites provided:
  • Miami Music does not address "Perry's disillusionment" - it should probably be cited to the rockwired interview.
  • Why use the Alan Sculley quote? Why is it necessary? Who is Alan Sculley? It appears to be a commentary posted on a fansite [1]
• "Formation" 3rd paragraph - 3 cites provided:
  • unable to locate "The Iron Men of Leisure" or the quote "a sexy name that swings" or comparison to "Love Battery" in cites
    • (found Love Battery cite, but it's in the opinionated words of the reviewer instead of a statement on behalf of the band. Can't find "sexy name" quote...I know it exists, but removed it for now. Working on 'Iron Men'...)(Nabbed "Iron Man" cite)
      • There are a similar quotes in "The Rocket magazine" article and the "National Catholic Reporter" article - but not exact.
• "Early years" 1st paragraph - the "The Official Cherry Poppin' Daddies Biography" reference (currently cite #18) is a dead link. Could be replaced with the "Cherry Poppin' Daddies Official Bio, c. 2006" reference (currently cite #1).
• "Early years" 2nd paragraph - "The community backlash from the supposedly liberal college town was fierce" - tone this down. Members of the community protested, not "the community" or "the town".
• ?"Early years" 3rd paragraph - ""The Bad Daddies", "The Censor Shippin' Daddies" or simply "The Daddies", though retaining their full title while traveling abroad.[18]" unable to locate this in the provided citation: Skazaam.
• "Early years" 4th paragraph - I don't consider "Daddies bio on Last.fm" (current cite #22) to be a reliable source. It appears to be an editable website that claims Wikipedia (and specifically this article) as a reference. Please find a more independent reference to source the first sentence.
• "National touring" 1st paragraph - unable to verify "upwards of 200 shows a year"
• "National touring" 2nd paragraph - no citation. Please tell me which reference the transition of their stage show in the first sentence is from, as well as the description of Rapid City Muscle Car in the last sentence.
• "mainstream exposure" 1st paragraph - "1997 Hot Modern Rock Tracks" is a weak reference; It may be acceptable, but it is weak. Ideally WP is looking for secondary sources. Interpreting a chart to source "ska punk had broken through" is using the chart as a primary source. Something more authoritative referencing an article from a music magazine (like Rolling Stones) saying "ska punk had broken through".
• "mainstream exposure" 1st & 4th paragraphs - The "Oregon's Sugar Daddies? Oregon Offbeat(s) Network." reference (currently #34 & 43)appears to be a geocities fanpage. I don't think this meets reliable sources. Is there something better to source the info to?
  • Hmm...I might be wrong, but I don't see it as a fan page. It's not actual press/publication, no, but it seems to be a some what legitimate small-time/hometown interview with Perry (he appeared to do a lot of online-only interviews in the late 90s). The website itself seems to be dedicated to local Oregon culture. If you disagree, I can find other sources.
• "mainstream exposure" 2nd-last paragraph - if "all swing bands sound the same".[45] I cannot find this quote in the reference provided (drdrrew.com interview)
• "mainstream exposure" 2nd-last paragraph - what is this reference ('Cherry Poppin' Jerks')sourcing? Just reference the San Jose Mercury News article it is quoting, rather than the www.7thsign.com site.
• "Soul Caddy" 3rd paragraph - can a citation be provided for the "audience misconceptions" analysis? and the "Soul Caddy ended up being a commercial failure" conclusion
• "Susquehanna" 1st paragraph - 1 citation, Citing IMDb has been the subject of debate. It certainly has a place in the external links section but using it to source content is best avoided. Please show where the "MySpace announcement" and "website redesigned" info came from.
• "Susquehanna" 1st paragraph - 0 citations, please provide a citation for the "the album delved into flamenco, bossa nova, Latin rock, reggae and soca..." analysis and the "Reviews of the album were again mixed..." sentence
• "Musical style" 2nd paragraph - I don't see where in the cite provided ('A Not So Cheery Cherry Daddy' www.virginmegamagazine.com) where it says "Steve Perry has acted as the sole songwriter..."
• "Musical style" 2nd paragraph - ends with 3 citations, where does the "According to Jason Moss in regard to the band's songwriting process..." sentence come from? and the contrast with Mr. Bungle and Fishbone?
• "Musical style" 3rd paragraph - ...and Duke Ellington as their primary influences[12]" - Ellington is not mentioned in that citation. Does this come from some other reference?
• "Musical style" 3rd paragraph - which reference picked up on the "heavy distortion" and "faster tempos"? Faster than what? is this a comparison to something slower?
• "Lyrical" 1st paragraph - which reference picks up on Jack Kerouac's influence on the band?
• "Lyrical" 1st paragraph - which reference analysis the music for recurring themes?
• "Lyrical" 2nd paragraph - 2 citations provided: one from 1991, the other 1997. Where is the analysis of Soul Caddy and Susquehanna coming from?

Conclusion

In accordance with GA procedure, I'm placing this on hold as the above points are worked out. --maclean 03:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

• Done to the best of my limited ability. Skibz777 (talk) 23:07, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
  

(The floor remains open to ANY other editors who wish to contribute at this time...any at all? Hello?).

• Thank you for responding to my notes so quickly. I believe this article meets the GA criteria. Moving on, while not part of the GA criteria, the citations can be formatted consistently using templates (like {{cite web}}). I also encourage further research into more reliable sources. Try to replace the references to the www.daddies.com website to more independent sources, as the official site can be considered promotional material. --maclean 01:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Linkvio

Many of the references violate Wikipedia:Copyrights, specifically WP:LINKVIO. Many them are using http://daddyworld.swankyfunk.com which is reprinting news (and magazine) articles. No indication is provided on the site that they have permission to host the copyrighted material. The policy states "if you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work. An example would be linking to a site hosting the lyrics of many popular songs without permission from their copyright holders. Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in the United States". The links to the articles on Daddyworld should be removed. --maclean 02:29, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

• • Instead of linking directly to reprinting of the articles as above, is it acceptable to simply post a non-linkable citation? I.e. (*ref* The Rocket, November 1999 */ref*) in place of (*ref* [link to reprinting of Rocket article] November 1999 */ref*). I figured I needed something solid to back such things up.
    • Yes. The problem is with the daddyworld website. The actual references, like The Rocket, are fine. --maclean 04:15, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
      • Done and done.Skibz777 (talk) 05:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Cherry Poppin' Daddies

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Cherry Poppin' Daddies's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "allmusic":

• From Jazz: Allmusic - Modern Creative
• From Steely Dan: AllMusic Steely Dan: Biography.
• From Rock music: allmusic Genre British Invasion

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 06:24, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Pictures needed

I'd like to submit this for a Featured review (after a few more edits), but I think some better, less amateurish pictures are in order. What's needed is a new, full band picture for the infobox, an illustrative picture of one of their rowdy early-90s Eugene shows for the "controversies" section and a picture of Steve Perry for the soon-to-be-expanded "lyrics" section. That's pretty much all that's necessary, unless someone is willing to use a good pic of the band that would fit appropriately (perhaps of the horn section).Skibz777 (talk) 09:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Timeline?

I noticed someone added a timeline to the member section. I'm not particularly well-versed in the standards and guidelines behind timelines, but I'm uncertain if one's really necessary or possible in this case. CPD has had wildly fluctuating line-ups, and with the brief tenures of some of the members, a timeline could be confusing: for example, the band had four different drummers in 1996, three of whom appeared on the same album...how would that be clearly represented on a graph?

I don't know if a timeline is justified or not, but I'd be in favor of removing it since it really doesn't add much to the basic list. If any roaming admins or editors wish to chime in, do so. However, seeing that the graph was left incomplete for the last three days, if it remains unfinished by a week's time, I'll be compelled to remove it.Skibz777 (talk) 00:01, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

A Couple Details

A couple possibly interesting facts:

• Daddies were managed by Bill Graham Management circa 1993, 1994 who helped them find an entertainment lawyer and provided some resources for recording what became Rapid City Muscle Car.
• Daddies were shopped to Disney around 1992, 1993

Brooksrichardbrown (talk) 18:35, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

All of those would be fine to add, though they would naturally require references to source. If this is what you're referring to, Disney is indirectly mentioned as Hollywood Records under the "National touring and independent success" section; that was from an interview with Howard Libes, though I don't think he mentioned any specific years. If there's more info on either to be found - old articles, interviews, etc. - I can definitely add it. Skibz777 (talk) 21:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)