Talk:Carrie Fisher/Archive 3

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Archive 3

Cause of death (again)

So the Los Angeles County coroner’s office released a statement a few hours ago. I don't know exactly what that statement said, and news reports aren't as helpful as one would hope since they are contradictory. From what I can gather:

The exact cause is unknown.
Sleep apnea was a contributing factor.
Atherosclerosis was a contributing factor.
There may have been other, undetermined contributing factors.
Signs of drug use were seen, but whether drug use contributed to her death could not be determined.

In light of this, I would suggest that we either keep "Cardiac arrest" as the cause of death (because it was the immediate cause) or change the cause of death to "Undetermined" (because the underlying causes were not conclusively determined). I prefer the former. I would strongly oppose changing the cause of death to "Sleep apnea" (or anything else for that matter) because while it was an underlying cause, it wasn't the only one (when someone has cancer and goes into cardiac arrest, listing the cause of death as cancer is perfectly reasonable; this is however a very different situation). We could remove the parameter altogether, but I reckon it would be added back before long. TompaDompa (talk) 04:02, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

I read a variety of articles that described her time on that last flight. I just did a search to find the articles, but the release of TLJ is clogging up Google results, and very specific searches are showing articles from last December, before detailed info was released. I will try another search in a day or two. But I have also read the autopsy report in full and it contains some of this info I’m going to write about here:

Carrie was traveling with her dog Gary & her assistant that helped with Gary, Corby McCoin. Apparently, Carrie had been diagnosed as having had sleep apnea & it was particularly a problem on plane trips. (Why this was the case wasn’t explained, cabin pressurization maybe?) Carrie had what were described as typical incidents of sleep apnea throughout the flight, all of which she was able to be roused from. Then, she “vomited violently” (as described in articles and in the autopsy report) and was in a sleep apnea incident and couldn’t be roused. That’s when someone on the plane began CPR until they landed. She did not regain a pulse on the plane and wasn’t breathing for at least ten minutes on the plane (but they incident happened when they were 15 minutes out from LAX, so it was probably 15 minutes.) It took another 10 - 15 minutes of intense CPR at LAX (that includes intubation & injecting meds like epinephrine to jump start the heart and circulatory system) before she had a pulse again. She never regained consciousness.

Since cardiac arrest can be triggered by a disruption of breathing, and the sleep apnea incident was severe enough to cause full cardiac arrest.

Carrie was in “full cardiac arrest” - breathing, pulse, brain activity stops, I learned that thanks to Dr. Sanjay Gupta’s detailed explanation on CNN when Michael Jackson was rushed to the hospital but there’s an article right on here about it.)

So I would say cause of death is cardiac arrest caused by sleep apnea. Drug use can contribute to sleep apnea, but I believe the coroner said at the time of the blood work (the day of the incident blood was drawn by staff in the ER) it had been at least three days since she’d taken any non-prescribed meds/other drugs. And one of the drugs in her system was methodone, suggesting she’d had a relapse, but was back “on the wagon” since methodone is used to get off opioids. I have a few friends that are social workers that are annoyed they never read any articles pointing this fact out. One actually works at a methodone clinic. So, I agree with what I believe you’re saying, not including drugs as a secondary cause of death. I’d rather they not be mentioned at all, because some people think Carrie’s death was directly drug related (I’ve seen the nasty articles and posts & many people just need to see Carrie’s name & drugs in the same sentence and they leap to conclusions) but perhaps for completeness, they have to be mentioned because they are in the autopsy report? SiobhanElizabeth (talk) 08:46, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

The information about the drugs found in her system should remain. WP:NOTCENSOR RJ4 (talk) 13:01, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Is there a reason we're not mentioning Fisher died on United Airlines Flight 935? "A commercial flight" seems awfully generic and unnecessarily incomplete. Rklawton (talk) 21:33, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

I've just added the plainly verifiable underlying causes to the pointlessly vague "cardiac arrest" in the infobox and was told to see Talk (by the page, not a person). I see nothing here or in the article that even suggests sleep apnea and atherosclerosis weren't to blame, only that the it's proving hard to pin it on drugs somehow. The solution is to simply not blame the drugs, not to pretend the two known contributors didn't contribute. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:58, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

The Princess

An article about Carrie Fisher, who played one of the most iconic roles of the 20th century... yet there is not one photograph of her as Leia? Seems a bit odd. --2A00:23C4:581:A700:4D17:9688:6BB0:D76D (talk) 01:08, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

If you have one that you own the copyright and are willing to release it, or one that is published under a free license, we love to add it. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:26, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

If you are an editor here, and have an account, and are willing to help other editors, we'd love to hear from you sans the sardonic attitude.

How about the one on the Princess Leia page?

I don't know anything about the legalities regarding photographs and copyright, but that photo is apparently slated for use specifically to highlight the headphones hairstyle, though it's actually being used to illustrate the character herself. It's also a photograph of promotional material, if that makes any difference. --2A00:23C4:581:A700:E162:9CE2:EA7F:F479 (talk) 21:19, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Life Achievement Award speech

Hi,

I think that her 2005 AFI Life Achievement Award: A Tribute to George Lucas speech should be mentionned. Notability of this speech could be established:

"Carrie Fisher's roast of George Lucas embodies the very best of her". The Verge. 2016-12-27.
"Watch Carrie Fisher roast George Lucas at 2005 award ceremony". The Daily Telegraph. 2016-12-28.
"Carrie Fisher : "George Lucas, tu as ruiné ma vie"". L'Obs (in French). 2016-12-28.
"Carrie Fisher Roasts George Lucas at 2005 AFI Tribute". Variety. 2016-12-28.

Ressources:

Best regards, --Lacrymocéphale 11:01, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 17 July 2019

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The result of the move request was: Not moved per WP:SNOW. WP:IAR on needing seven days. Most people (like me) would have no idea that Carrie Underwood married a man named "Fisher". Surely she's not changing her name professionally, and even then the Carrie Fisher who played Princess Leia would probably still be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. WP:COMMONNAME applies, as does WP:PRECISION. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:59, 17 July 2019 (UTC) – Muboshgu (talk) 17:59, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Carrie Fisher → Carrie Fisher (daughter of Debbie Reynolds) – Wikipedia's article says Carrie Underwood is also Carrie Fisher from one perspective, and thus this article needs dis-ambiguation. (The Carrie Underwood article will remain where it is regardless of this page's status.) Georgia guy (talk) 14:33, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Oppose. When I stop laughing. I can't believe this is a serious nomination. Carrie Fisher starred in one of the most famous film franchises of all time. She is far and away the primary topic for this title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:57, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
So perhaps there can be a dis-ambiguation header saying "This article is about the daughter of Debbie Reynolds. For the singer of "Jesus Take the Wheel", see Carrie Underwood." If possible, feel free to give better terminology to this dis-ambiguation header. Georgia guy (talk) 15:17, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Oppose, of course, and an obvious WP:SNOW close. When celebrities are at this level, it is simply a WP:COMMONNAME issue. In 2010, Carrie Underwood did indeed become Carrie Fisher in private life when she married Mike Fisher, but her stage name has remained Carrie Underwood and no one would seriously search for her by typing the name of another top-tier celebrity whose stage name was Carrie Fisher and who, during her 11-month marriage to Paul Simon, was not known to the public as "Carrie Simon". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:35, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
She needs your help, Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're her only hope, Randy Kryn (talk) 16:43, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Dab heading is not needed either. Roman Spinner sums up the absurdity of this RFC quite well. BTW if there was a need to move this the dab would be CF (born 1956) MarnetteD|Talk 17:03, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

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IP edits Sept 2019

The fact that she was cremated is sourced so I can see no reason for the removal of the information. MarnetteD|Talk 10:04, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Not only was she cremated, her ashes were placed in an urn that looks like a Prozac pill. That is well sourced and relevant to the subject. We're not taking this out. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:10, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Wonderwell

Carrie Fisher will be in wondrwell As her last film Dgmitchell91 19:28, 9 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dgmitchell91 (talk • contribs)