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FIFA 11 Cover

Why was this deleted? this is relevent to him as the North America Version features him on the cover and surely this is a big moment in his career as he is featured on the largest football video game in the world, showing he is being reconised for his talents... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.68.182 (talk) 01:45, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the removal. Firstly, the edit was not backed by any reliable sources, as Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source. Secondly, being shown on the cover of a video game has no relevance to his career. I see it more of marketing strategy (for example to attract Mexican consumers). Thirdly, per WP:BLP, you always bear the burden to support your assertion that being featured on "the largest" football video game equates recognition of talent. I have doubts about this point and unless you come up with reliable sources on it I don't think it is appropriate the piece of information appears in the article.Craddocktm (talk) 15:19, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not a good argument when other players that have appeared on the front cover have that segment of information on their own wikipedia article, especially big player names such as Wayne Rooney, Cristiano Ronaldo, and Lionel Messi. I will re-add the information again with sources.Gumbi93 (talk) 15:17, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Update

Updated Caps and goal figures to current stats. iab 10/25/2006

provide a link, official site say 5 matches 1 goal. --necronudist 08:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.udsalamanca.es/resultados.htm there

yes, I saw, 4 goals in how many matches? Did he play all the 9 matches? And why the other page say 5-1? Does UD Salamanca know how many match played Vela? They're more confused than us, I think :) --necronudist 13:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They're a second division team,what did you expect from ther website? :P! and yeah he has played 9 matches :0

Football Manager reference

Removed as irrelevant.

agree --necronudist 11:56, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Date of Birth

The date of birth in the article doesn't match the one in the info box. Which is correct?

Oldest Team in Mexico

Guadalajara is not the oldest team in Mexico, it is Pachuca CF.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.26.73.179 (talk) 03:38, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Site inclusion on external links

Carlosvelanews (talk) 10:08, 16 April 2010 (UTC)Hey, I'm the creator and owner of Carlos Vela News (http://carlosvelanews.co.uk), this site is dedicated to Arsenal and Mexican hotshot Carlos Vela. I wanted to ask for inclusion into the external links category on all vela pages on wikipedia. Get back to me on carlosvelanews@gmail.com!Carlosvelanews (talk) 10:08, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:EL. Chensiyuan (talk) 13:09, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Prostitution" allegations

this change was by Juancarlos131291 (talk · contribs).

From: On 22 September 2010 it was announced that Vela and fellow Mexican international Efrain Juarez would be suspended from Mexico for 6 months for their involvement in a party in Monterrey following a game with Colombia on 7 September 2010.^[1]

To: On September 21 Vela (along with teammate Efrain Juarez) was suspended from playing international matches with the Mexican National team for the next six months, owing to an incident relating to a party after the 1-0 victory over Colombia on september 7. The party was suspected of including two prostitute and a transvestite. In addition to the suspension, he along with 12 other players will be fined a 50,000$ Peso (3942 Dollars) fine, and the money collected will most likely be used to help the flood victims in the Mexican state of Veracruz. ^[2]

I undid that change.

The reference given does not mention two prostitute and a transvestite. Also, it makes no mention of the "flood victims"; it simply says donada a una institución de beneficencia, ya sea en Ciudad Juárez o Veracruz. - non-specific, therefore this is WP:SYNTH.

I do not believe it verifiable to cite a one-time TV broadcast; ie the reader of the article is unable to find that broadcast to check the facts.

We often say that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary sources". The allegations about prostitution are serious, and absolutely definitely need a solid reliable source - as explained in the BLP policy.

This has also been posted on Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Carlos Vela.

Chzz ► 00:54, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see that, prior to my undo, Magog the Ogre (talk · contribs) had added a source with this edit, which does indeed add a reference for the claim from a tabloid newspaper, with an article about "vice girls and a tranny". I did not realise that source had been added.

The article cited does, however, also say Players last night denied they had paid vice girls - and insisted they had innocently hired a hotel ballroom, and Salcido, 30, said: [...] the papers say we hired 15 prostitutes including a transvestite - and that did not happen. - therefore, this still seems questionable. Chzz ► 01:06, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Real Sociedad 'transfer'

The three articles claiming he has moved to Real Sociedad are now broken links and Arsenal.com still lists him as an Arsenal player.

http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/players/carlos-vela — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hermiod (talk • contribs) 09:46, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Kosack (talk · contribs) 06:37, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have a look at this one, will post review as soon as possible. Kosack (talk) 06:37, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

What's the source for his full name?

Lead

"finally joining Real Sociedad", reword to avoid repetition from the previous sentence.
Link Real Sociedad.
Link friendly to Exhibition game.
"and scored his first goal for Mexico", change to "his first goal for his country". We've already established he plays for Mexico in the first half of the sentence.
2014 World Cup > 2014 FIFA World Cup.
"Aside from his Mexican nationality, Vela holds a Spanish passport.", is this really relevant enough for the lead section?

Early life

"was born 1 March 1989 in Cancún, Quintana Roo,", add Mexico after Quintana Roo.
"but an injury caused by a torn ligament caused him to retire", needs rewording. I'm guessing the torn ligament was the injury that forced him to retire, the current wording makes it sound like the ligament caused other problems.
local teams > local football teams.
We don't refer to players by their first names, there are several uses of Carlos in this section. Replace them with Vela.
Second paragraph is unsourced.
The last paragraph of this section is really the start of his club career and is largely about Guadalajara, his first team. This could probably be moved to the first section of his club career section, keeping any relevant info.

Guadalajara

The only ref in this section is expired so I'm unable to check but, judging by the title and quote, I'm guessing it doesn't support anything other than the information about his father.

Arsenal

"won the race for his signature", comes across as rather journalistic. "Before signing for English club Arsenal..." perhaps?
"but was returned right away with no games played", what was the reason he returned without playing?

Salamanca

Can this section be expanded? Two sentences for a season long loan spell with over thirty games doesn't seem a lot.

Osasuna (loan)

"bigger clubs of La Liga", bigger clubs is an unsourced opinion and probable WP:PUFFERY.
"with the option of an extension for another year.", who had the option?
Again, there's room for expansion here.

Return to Arsenal

"in the Eduardo mould", is Eduardo's style of play really notable? Perhaps, "a striker in the style of Arsenal teammate Eduardo"?
Link hat-trick.
"voted as one of Arsenal's Greatest 50 Goals", voted for by who? Who was conducting the poll?
"making him just the second Mexican player to score a goal in the Premier League.", source?
Fourth paragraph only has one reference and ot doesn't appear to support the majority of the information.
"On 9 May, he scored the fourth goal of Arsenal's victory over Fulham.", what's notable about this goal?
"Vela wore the number 11 shirt for the 2010–11 campaign, as Robin van Persie switched to the number 10, which was vacated by former Arsenal defender William Gallas. Coincidentally, Vela's brother Alejandro also wore the number 11 shirt while playing for Cruz Azul in Mexico.", Unsourced. I would also question whether we really need so much info on a shirt number, his brother wearing the same number for a former club is particularly questionable.
Carlos Vela > Vela.

West Bromwich (loan)

Use the full team name in the heading.
Wolves game appears to be unsourced.

Real Sociedad (loan)

"As Vela was sent away on loan, his number 11 shirt was given to new Arsenal signing André Santos,[27] although the club's website still listed Vela as having the shirt number 11.", again do we really need this much on a shirt number?

Real Sociedad

"After a successful loan spell in Spain", successful isn't supported by the sources so seems more like the opinion of the editor that added the information.
"He was given the number 11 shirt."', source?
This section is rather disjointed in places, it has five consecutive, very short paragraphs that are "On (insert date) Vela did this..." I think his later years need knitting together into neater paragraphs.

Los Angeles FC

"he was signed as the club's first designated player", this sentence comes before his club is mentioned so doesn't really make sense. Also, I think it needs more explaining. Why was he named this five months before joining the club, was it a pre-contract agreement?
There's no source for him joining the club in January 2018.
"On 10 March, Vela would score his first goal", there is a close date mentioned in the previous sentence so I would drop the date her and simply start "Six days later..." Also change would score to scored for correct tense.
"On 13 April, he would score the first goal in a 2–0 win over the Vancouver Whitecaps.[61] A week later he would go on to convert a penalty during Los Angeles' 5–3 win over Montreal Impact.[62] On 13 May, he would score Los Angeles' second goal in a 2–2 tie against New York City FC.[63] A couple of days later he would score the only goal in their loss against the Portland Timbers in a 2–1 loss", what's notable about these goals?

Mexico U-17

Only one source included in this section and it doesn't support the majority of the information.

Mexico U-20

Unsourced. Also, if there is no room for expansion here, then I would suggest merging the U17 and U20 sections under a single Youth heading.

Early years

There's a large amount of unsourced information here, the first, second and fourth paragraphs have no sourcing at all.

Return

Second paragraph is largely unsourced.

Career statistics

Do we need five sources for the stats table? Are they all covering individual information?

Style of play

"A look at his play throughout the 2018 Major League Soccer season", this needs rewording as it sounds like you're reviewing his performances rather than the source.

References

Refs 1, 3, 4, 5, 23, 24, 26, 27, 32, 36, 39, 41, 50, 51, 71, 75 (might be the site itself), seem to have expired.
Refs 31 and 45 are the Daily Mail, which according to WP:DAILYMAIL, should be avoided as a potentially unreliable source.
Refs 57, 60 and 64 seem to be blocked in Europe. Can an alternative source be found?
There are lots of references missing authors, dates, publishers and access dates. I would suggest working through them to ensure they are all correctly formatted.

External links

Soccerbase and NFT are both used as inline citations so don't need to be listed here.

Unfortunately, I think this is a fail right now as there is considerable work to be done here which is far beyond a single review process, including parts of his playing career that may need completely rewriting. I was also limited in being able to review some information due to the large number of dead references which may have increased the amount of issues. Listed above are the issues I found in a basic review that need addressing before considering renominating. I would be more than happy to review again if you decide to fix these issues. Kosack (talk) 08:18, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Someone has to fix it.Jeh2ow (talk) 02:54, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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footballer

is there a reason this article is written in British English instead of American English? --142.163.194.43 (talk) 16:36, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article was not written by an specific editor. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 01:04, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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