Talk:Canada Goose (clothing)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Refreshing

I've added some information, with references, this page was pretty lame before and it needs so shaping up. Joesixpac (talk) 15:36, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Citation on USAP use

It was previously argued that the photo provides proof that the USAP uses Canada Goose jackets, and the cn tag was removed. I have added a link to canada-goose.com which makes supporting statements. Gmarsden (talk) 19:18, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

The Globe and Mail article "Year of the Goose" (already referenced) has the statement "The jackets were standard issue for participants in the United States Antarctic Program"... perhaps this would be a preferred citation? The language is suspiciously similar to that used here, though... it could be a circular reference. Gmarsden (talk) 19:24, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Adding Information To This Article About Canada Goose

Hello,

I am aware of the issue with the CanadaGooseInc username and fully understand the username policy as laid out at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Username_policy specifically discussed in the Company/ Group Names section.

In light of this information and the issues that arose before, I have created this new, personal account. I have included full disclosure in my user profile, that I work in Canada Goose and the role that I play as marketing coordinator within the company at our head office in Toronto, Canada.

I would like to use this new account to help build the encyclopaedia with relevant, non-biased content about Canada Goose. I have some non-promotional updates to the article that I’d like to suggest on the Discussion tab of the Canada Goose (clothing) page for community consideration and discussion.

Thank you for taking to time to evaluate our request and we look forward to hearing from you.

--Miriam Fayne 14:37, 25 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirfayne (talk • contribs)

Criticism Section Inadequate

The criticism section addresses one incident involving Justin Trudeau and his family and comments by PeTA. This is but a tiny fraction of the criticism leveled at Canada Goose, criticism by environmental groups, animal rights groups (not just PeTA), etc. There are charges of environmental destruction, animal cruelty, and of hiding behind minority groups to support such practices. Section in need of serious expansion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.29.193 (talk) 13:45, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Proposed Updates To This Article

Hey everyone,

I’d like to propose the following updates to this page and wanted to post them here for review/discussion before editing the page. Please let me know what you think!

Overall, I’d like to add a company infobox to the page with the following information:

Type: Private
Industry: Retail
Founded: 1957 as Metro Sportswear Ltd.
Headquarters: York, Ontario
Founder(s): Sam Tick
Key People: Dani Reiss (CEO & President)
Products: Outerwear
Website: www.canada-goose.com

For the rest of the article I’d like to propose the following changes:

Updated section - Introduction:

Canada Goose Inc. is a Canadian manufacturer of extreme cold weather outerwear based in Toronto, Ontario. The company is headquartered in York, Ontario, which is part of the Great Toronto Area. Canada Goose jackets are known for being very warm and also being regarded as a highly fashionable garment.

Canada Goose employs a team of apparel professionals, with a staff of more than 400 full and part time. A large number of Canada Goose employees have been with the company for more than 40 years

New section- History:

Founded in 1957 by Sam Tick, the company was previously named Metro Sportswear Ltd. . The company was registered as “Snow Goose” in Canada when down-filled jackets were introduced in the 1990s. Subsequently, the company registered the name “Canada Goose” in 2000 [Industry Canada, Canadian Company Capabilities (CCC) Canada Goose Inc. Company Profile] and now distributes all of its products under the Canada Goose brand.

The current President and CEO, Dani Reiss, is Sam Tick’s grandson and represents the third generation of his family to guide the company.

In June 2010 the company opened a European office in Stockholm, Sweden, its first corporate office outside of Canada. The office, home base for Canada Goose’s European operations, focuses on key markets for Canada Goose including Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland and Germany. Joe Sudow, who has been with the company for over 17 years and is one of the company’s original European distributors, was named General Manager of the European office.

Updated section – Products:

Canada Goose manufactures a wide range of jackets, vests, hats, gloves and other cold weather apparel designed for extreme cold weather conditions. All Canada Goose jackets are manufactured in Canada.

Canada Goose jackets are filled with goose down to ensure warmth and also utilize coyote fur on the hoods. The garments have been popular in Scandinavia since 1998, and became popular in Canada in about 2008.

New section: Key Customers:

Canada Goose products are available in more than 40 countries worldwide. Customers include the Canadian Coast Guard, U.S. Coast Guard, the American National Science Foundation, Canadian Forces, First Air, The Weather Network.

Although the company does not pay celebrities to wear its jackets, stars such as Hayden Christiensen, Hilary Duff, Matt Damon, Maggie Gyllenhaal, and Emma Watson have been spotted wearing Canada Goose jackets. In addition, the jackets have appeared in some Hollywood movies with actor Nicolas Cage (in National Treasure) and actresses Jessica Alba (in Good Luck Chuck) and Kate Beckinsale (in Whiteout) wearing the jackets.

The expedition parka is standard issue for participants in the United States Antarctic Program.

Current section: Counterfeit Coats:

Counterfeit Canada goose jackets are often sold online. Often time these fake coats use fur from dogs or cats instead of coyote fur. In addition, instead of using goose down in the coats, insulation called feather mulch is used. This insulation is not as effective as goose down and it can often include bacteria and mildew.

New section: Corporate Social Responsibility:

Canada Goose Resource Centres Canada Goose operates three Canada Goose Resource Centres that offer fabric and materials to northern Canadians free of charge: two in Nunavut (Pond Inlet and Iqaluit) and one in Ontario . Established in partnership with the North West Company and First Air in May 2007, the Resource Centres provide local, traditional sewers with free fabrics, buttons, zippers, Velcro and supplies to support the established practice of making jackets and clothing for members of the community, a strong tradition of northern Canada.

The Conservation Alliance Canada Goose is a member of The Conservation Alliance.

Polar Bear International Canada Goose is heavily involved with Polar Bear International. Canada Goose is a platinum corporate sponsor , and President and CEO Dani Reiss also serves as the chairman of the board for the board of directors . Canada Goose also created a Polar Bears International Parka from which sales proceeds are donated to the organization .

Current section – External Links:

Canada Goose Expedition Clothing Outfitters Official

References:

1. http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Canadian+COOL/3869612/story.html
2. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/your-business/business-categories/sustainability/canada-goose-spreads-the-warmth/article1444969
3. http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/ccc/srch/nvgt.do?lang=eng&prtl=1&sbPrtl=&estblmntNo=900243400000&profile=cmpltPrfl&profileId=1343&app=sold
4. http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/ccc/srch/nvgt.do?lang=eng&prtl=1&sbPrtl=&estblmntNo=900243400000&profile=cmpltPrfl&profileId=1343&app=sold and http://www.canadiandesignresource.ca/officialgallery/fashion/canada-goose-chilliwack/
5. http://www.thestar.com/living/fashion/article/756554--canada-goose-jackets-soar-above-the-rest
6. http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/July2010/06/c2372.html
7. http://business.financialpost.com/2010/06/03/fp-marketing-canada-goose-opens-european-headquarters-in-sweden/
8. http://www.sportswearnet.com/businessnews/pages/protected/show.php?id=2670&openbox=1
9. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-magazine/year-of-the-goose/article1480120/page1/0/
10. http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Canadian+COOL/3869612/story.html
11. http://www.theweathernetwork.com/index.php?product=aboutus&pagecontent=partnerships&pagecontent=canadagoose
12. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-magazine/year-of-the-goose/article1480120/page1/0/
13. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-magazine/year-of-the-goose/article1480120/page1/0/
14. http://www.canada-goose.com/products-2/mens/mens-expedition-parka/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirfayne (talk • contribs) 21:04, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you.

Miriam Fayne 19:39, 3 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirfayne (talk • contribs) 19:21, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Revisions Added

Hi Everyone,

This is following up on my last post that since there was no feedback on my last post and my proposed revisions, I have went ahead and added these suggested revisions to the page.

Thank You.

Miriam Fayne 16:00, 13 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirfayne (talk • contribs)

Thank you for your contributions. I did however make several alterations to the changes made from your recent edits (such as corporate responsibility). Please keep in mind that the article should maintain a professional encyclopedic stance and structure. I made several edits in formating, structure, titling, phrasing and re-added some deleted information (based off of Wikipedia's WP:MoS and WP:NPOV). Leventio (talk) 21:17, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Infobox updates

Hey, Wikipedians! I'm a Canada Goose employee who is requesting edits to this page as part of my job. If you'd like to read my full conflict of interest disclosure, you can do so on my user page.

I have a fairly straightforward first edit request. I want to improve the page's infobox by:

• Adding a source to Founder Sam Tick
• Updating Revenue to C$907.3 million (FY 2021)
• Updating Operating income to C$192.1 million (FY 2020)
• Updating Net income to C$70.2 million (FY 2021)
• Updating Number of employees to 3,590

References

I hope these are simple changes to make, but if any editors have feedback please feel free to chime in. If not, I would appreciate it if someone would post this improved infobox to the page. Thank you! CG Courtney (talk) 02:06, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done PK650 (talk) 01:33, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for making these updates, user:PK650! I have a History request below this post that I would appreciate your help with, but if the infobox fixes are all you feel comfortable handling, that's fine too. Thanks again! CG Courtney (talk) 02:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Updated History section

Hey there! I'm thrilled that the requested infobox updates above have been made! My next request is to update the page's History section, which I have redrafted and posted to my user page for others to consider. I kept a good amount of the current version of the History, firming up the sources in a few places, but got rid of some of the language that I think caused previous editors to flag this page as "written like an advertisement" and added some information on things the company has done over the last few years that have received widespread media coverage.

As with my previous request, I'm open to any editor feedback. Thank you in advance to anyone who takes the time to look over my draft! CG Courtney (talk) 02:30, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done PK650 (talk) 03:47, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Hey, User:PK650! Thanks very much for implementing my request. Did you mean to leave the 21st century (2001–present) subsection in the article? Just wondering if that's a mistake. I covered many of the events in that subsection in the History draft that you reviewed and added, so there are some redundancies in the article now. (For example, the Bain acquisition is covered twice.) Let me know if that makes sense! Happy to clarify further if needed. Thank you, again! CG Courtney (talk) 01:55, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm trying to get my head around it, as I've just noticed this. There appears to be information that should be included in that particular section, but I agree the section istelf doesn't make much sense. Any suggestions? PK650 (talk) 10:26, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi, User:PK650! No worries about the confusion. I appreciate you taking the time to work through this with me. When I was putting together my revised and updated History draft, I reviewed the existing section and included everything I thought was notable, accurate, and well-sourced, while also trying to trim some details that overly flatter the company, because the page has a "written like an advertisement" tag that I'd eventually like to ask non-COI editors to remove. I just reread what's currently in the 21st century (2001-present) subsection. Here's my thinking on each part of it:

• In the first five paragraphs, I included everything I could in my History draft, except for promotional content and claims for which I couldn't find good sourcing. One notable exception: although it has a source, I cut the sentence on the Stockholm office opening because that office has since closed.
• The sixth paragraph's sentence describing Goose parkas becoming “almost the uniform of the inner city among 16-to-24 year olds” feels promotional.
• The mention of a proposed Chinese boycott of Canada Goose products could be worth including. How about, after the History sentence about the Goose store opening in Beijing, we put a sentence that reads: "While the store was in the process of opening, there were calls in China to boycott Canada Goose products following Canada's arrest of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou."
• The Woodchurch High School, London smash-and-grab, and Chicago robberies sentences feel like relatively small incidents that don’t belong in an encyclopedia article.
• The financial figures at the end of the subsection are outdated, and the page’s recently updated infobox already covers items like revenue and operating income.

References

For ease of reference, I've taken the text of the 21st century subsection and highlighted various parts in green (covered by my History draft), red (excluded), and orange (could be included). You can view that using this dropdown table:

Extended content

Under Dani Reiss' leadership, the company discontinued its private label operations to focus mainly on consumer products. The manufacturing continued solely in Canada rather than being outsourced to Asia where labour costs were much lower. The business saw rapid growth around the turn of the millennia and revenues increased from roughly $3 million in 1991 to roughly $17.5 million in 2008, reflecting increased sales in Scandinavia and in Canada. In 2010 Canada Goose opened an office in Stockholm, Sweden, for its European operations. In 2011, Canada Goose acquired a new plant in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. As global growth continued, Canada Goose moved its Winnipeg operations into a larger facility in 2013. The Canadian Marketing Association named Reiss as its marketer of the year in 2013. In December 2013, Boston-based private equity firm Bain Capital acquired a 70% equity stake in Canada Goose at a $250 million valuation. The deal included a commitment to keep manufacturing in Canada. Canada Goose also acquired a factory in the former city of York in Toronto formerly owned by ACCO Brands' Hilroy stationery. In December 2014, Canada Goose opened a showroom and an office in New York City. In January 2015, Canada Goose acquired a second manufacturing facility in Scarborough from a contractor. In November 2015, Canada Goose opened a second factory in Winnipeg significantly increasing its manufacturing capacity. That year the company revenue was reported to be about $200 million, including warm-weather countries such as India and the Middle East. In late 2016, Canada Goose opened a store in Toronto's Yorkdale Shopping Centre. The company announced preparations in November 2016 for an initial public offering, reporting that it generated $291 million in revenue and $27 million in profit in 2016 and had $278 million in debt. On March 16, 2017, shares of the company began trading on the Toronto Stock Exchange and New York Stock Exchange with the ticker symbol GOOS. In October 2017, Canada Goose opened its second United States flagship store in on the Magnificent Mile in Chicago. Despite their high cost, Canada Goose's fur-trimmed parkas have become "almost the uniform of the inner city among 16-to-24 year olds" in Canada, according to one president of a market research firm. In China, despite calls to boycott Canadian products over the arrest of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou in Canada, the brand's new flagship store in Beijing saw long lineups on opening day in December 2018. Woodchurch High School in Birkenhead, England has banned jackets from Canada Goose, Pyrenex, and Moncler in order to "poverty-proof the school environment", in response to disadvantaged students feeling pressure from their wealthier peers with such coats. In 2018, robbers on mopeds did a smash-and-grab on a Canada Goose store on Regent Street in London. In January 2019, several people were robbed of their Canada Goose coats in Chicago. According to The Motley Fool, Canada Goose has become very successful under Bain Capital's controlling interest: The company’s sales have been surging higher over the last three years. Revenue increased to $591 million in fiscal 2018 from $290.8 million in fiscal 2016 for a compound annual growth rate of 42.6%. The company reported that total revenue increased by 46.4% to $591.2 million (2018) from $403.8 million (2017). Gross profit increased to $347.6 million from $212.1 million. Operating income was $138.1 million, an operating margin of 23.4%, compared to $40.5 million, an operating margin of 10.0% in 2017.

Take your time reviewing this request. I know it's complicated. I tried to be as clear as possible, but if you have any further thoughts or questions, please let me know! Thanks again for your help! CG Courtney (talk) 02:20, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll have a look when I can. PK650 (talk) 06:21, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi again, and sorry for the delay. I've implemented some of your requests, except what I thought was relevant/supported by quality sourcing. The last 3 paragraphs seem to have been removed by someone else. PK650 (talk) 00:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Updating infobox figures

Hello! I'm a Canada Goose employee who will be requesting edits to the company article. If you browse this Talk page, you'll see that my colleague Courtney put forward a couple edit requests last year. I'll be following the same rules she did, making sure that I don't edit the article directly, and that I always defer to the judgment of independent editors.

For my first request, I wanted to ask that the figures in the infobox be updated.

• Revenue: C$1.21 billion
• Operating income: C$156.7 million
• Net income: C$94.6 million
• Employee count: 3,850

All those financial figures are from FY23, which we closed in April. And the employee count is from December 2022. If an independent editor could review this request and post the changes to the infobox, I would very much appreciate it. Thanks! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 19:18, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

 Implemented  Spintendo  22:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for posting the new figures, User:Spintendo. Apologies, I forgot to include this in my request: could the "Key people" field be updated to reflect a recent leadership change? Dani Reiss is no longer filling both the CEO and president roles. He's just the CEO now. Carrie Baker became company president in 2022.

Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 16:01, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello! Just popping in to let editors know that I reopened the edit request. User:Spintendo has helpfully added the new financial figures to the infobox, but I'm still looking to update Dani Reiss's title and possibly add company president Carrie Baker to the infobox under "Key people." Any assistance I can get with this would be appreciated. Thanks! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 14:13, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Infobox updated Regards,  Spintendo  20:34, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, User:Spintendo! I now have a new edit request below. If you want to field that one, go right ahead. If not, no worries. Cheers! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 15:58, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

References

Suggesting Operations section

Hello! Now that the infobox has been updated, I want to suggest that an Operations section be added to the article. I've seen sections like this on other corporate pages and think they provide a helpful overview of how the company is organized. Here's the text I'm suggesting:

Canada Goose is headquartered in Toronto, Canada. It has manufacturing facilities in Toronto, Winnipeg, and Montreal. It also has stores in Toronto, New York, Chicago, and Beijing. It is a publicly traded company, with Bain Capital owning a majority stake. Its CEO, Dani Reiss, has been in his position since 2001. Its current president is Carrie Baker, who moved into her role in March 2022. As of December 2022, Canada Goose had approximately 3,850 employees.

References

Thank you in advance to any independent editor who reviews this request. I'm hoping it could be added to the article as-is, but if anyone has suggestions on how to improve the text above, please let me know and I'll try to make the necessary adjustments! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 15:57, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Reply 7-SEP-2023

  Unable to review  

• Many of the proposed statements have two or more references verifying the given information. In order to abide by WP:TOOMANYREFS, please consolidate the given references before submitting your request for review. Regards,  Spintendo  22:23, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Resubmitting Operations section for review

Hello again! User:Spintendo suggested above that I consolidate my references in order to present a more streamlined, easy-to-review version of this section draft. I’ve done so below:

Canada Goose is headquartered in Toronto, Canada. It has manufacturing facilities in Toronto, Winnipeg, and Montreal. It also has stores in Toronto, New York, Chicago, and Beijing. It is a publicly traded company, with Bain Capital owning a majority stake. Its CEO, Dani Reiss, has been in his position since 2001. Its current president is Carrie Baker, who moved into her role in March 2022. As of December 2022, Canada Goose had approximately 3,850 employees.

References

There are still a couple sentences with multiple references at the end but that’s out of necessity. In the “manufacturing facilities” sentence, the NYT piece confirms the existence of Toronto and Winnipeg plants and the Globe & Mail one covers the Montreal plant, which is a bit newer than the other two. The store locations sentence is similar. With the section now cleaned up, reference-wise, I’ll let independent editors review. Thanks! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 17:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

This streamlining is much appreciated. This information would be better placed somewhere in the article which already exists, rather than a new Operations section. Please choose an already existing location where this information may be placed. When ready to proceed, please change the request template's answer parametrer to read for yes to no. Thank you!  Spintendo  00:19, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Spintendo: Thank you for reviewing the draft. I would like to respectfully push back on the idea that a standalone Operations section is not where this information belongs. I've found some examples of corporate Wikipedia articles that have these sections (if you click these links, they should take you right to the relevant sections): Burger King, Anheuser-Busch, and QVC. I won't quote those sections in full, but I'll cite a few relevant passages for the purpose of making my point.

Burger King

Burger King Holdings is the parent company of Burger King, also known as Burger King Corporation and abbreviated BKC, and is a Delaware corporation formed on July 23, 2002. A subsidiary, it derives its income from several sources, including property rental and sales through company owned restaurants; however, a substantial portion of its revenue is dependent on franchise fees. During the transitional period after the acquisition of the company by 3G Capital, Burger King's board of directors was co-chaired by John W. Chidsey, formerly CEO and chairman of the company, and Alex Behring, managing partner of 3G Capital. By April 2011, the new ownership completed the restructuring of Burger King's corporate management and Chidsey tendered his resignation, leaving Behring as CEO and chair. ... The company operates approximately 40 subsidiaries globally that oversee franchise operations, acquisitions and financial obligations such as pensions. … Burger King is headquartered in a nine-story office tower by the Miami International Airport in unincorporated Miami-Dade County, Florida.

Anheuser-Busch

Anheuser-Busch Companies operates as one of several subsidiaries in the North America zone unit of Anheuser-Busch InBev SA/NV (AB InBev) and it produces and distributes hundreds of products from the AB InBev portfolio. On October 10, 2016, a $100 billion merger between Anheuser-Busch InBev and SABMiller closed. The new company is trading as NewbelcoSABMiller. … Michel Doukeris is the current CEO of AB InBev, the parent company of the U.S. operation, and Brendan Whitworth is the current CEO of the Anheuser-Busch subsidiary. … Anheuser-Busch Companies has operated 13 breweries, all located in the United States.

QVC

QVC has its headquarters in West Chester, Pennsylvania by U.S. Route 202. The $100 million QVC Studio Park complex, located on an 80 acres (32 ha) plot of land, opened in 1997. … QVC's U.S. operations are based in the Studio Park complex, which houses its corporate headquarters, studio and broadcasting facilities. Studio Park is the former corporate offices of the computer company Commodore. QVC's distribution centers are located in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Suffolk, Virginia, Florence, South Carolina, and Ontario, California. Its 2013 sales were worth $5.84 billion. Call center facilities were located in San Antonio, Texas and Chesapeake, Virginia, though both closed after call center employees permanently transitioned to remote work during the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020. A call center in Port St. Lucie, Florida was also in operation until 2016. QVC U.S. also operates two outlet stores in Lancaster, Pennsylvania and Frazer, Pennsylvania.

Those sections vary somewhat—Burger King's in particular is massive because it's a much bigger and more complex operation than Canada Goose—but they contain details similar to the ones in the Operations draft I've put forward. They identify HQ location, c-suite leadership, ownership structure, non-HQ locations in which the company operates, etc. In other words, it seems to me that Operations sections are standard, or at least not out of the ordinary, for corporate Wikipedia articles.

That's my argument for the validity of my Operations content being added to the Canada Goose article as a standalone section. Feel free to disagree, but I would ask that you consider it, in light of what I've laid out above.

If you don't find that argument convincing, could we perhaps change the History heading to History and structure or History and operations and then include the Operations content under a subheading that reads Current operations or Current structure? Of the existing sections, History is the one that makes the most sense, in terms of accommodating the Operations content. It's not a perfect fit, but I think if the section were retitled to make clear what kind of information it contains, that might work.

Again, thank you for working through these issues with me. I appreciate your input and hopefully we can arrive at a solution that aligns with your best judgment as an independent editor, as well as Wikipedia's content guidelines. Cheers and talk soon! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 14:16, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I understand your concern over having a separate Operations section, however, the requested prose includes only 7 sentences, which at the moment does not justify a separate section. Regards,  Spintendo  22:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Spintendo: Thank you for your thoughts and considering my arguments. If the Operations truly doesn't merit a standalone section, does my suggestion for placing this content under History sound like a good option? I'd proposed a subheading of Current operations or Current structure and would suggest placing it at the end of the History section.

Thank you again for discussing this and working out a good solution. Cheers! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 18:19, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

 Implemented  Spintendo  19:43, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Appreciate the help, User:Spintendo! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 15:16, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Asking to update infobox logo

Hi again! I'd like to ask that the company's official wordmark logo be added to the infobox, replacing the photo of the Arctic Program patch that currently resides in that space. I've uploaded the logo to Wikimedia Commons under fair use. Follow this link and you should see it.

I think this is a fairly straightforward request, but if there's anything else I need to do, please let me know! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 17:53, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done Spencer^T•C 19:21, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, User:Spencer! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 20:16, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Suggesting Products section as Marketing replacement

Hello there! This article has a flag on it that says it "contains content that is written like an advertisement." I've been thinking about how to fix that problem. Perhaps we should remove the Marketing section? A lot of the content there strikes me as promotional in tone, and less than encyclopedic. I suggest that Marketing be replaced with a Products section that's less about Canada Goose's branding and more about the goods it manufactures and sells. I've composed a Products draft below, which independent editors are free to review:

Products section draft

Canada Goose manufactures winter clothing, including coats, parkas, knitwear, hats, gloves and footwear. Its longest-running products are heavy winter coats lined with goose down, which are meant to keep the wearer warm in freezing temperatures. These coats have been worn by researchers in the United States Antarctic Program and in dogsledding events such as the Iditarod and the Yukon Quest In 2011, as an anti-counterfeiting measure, Canada Goose began sewing hologram trademarks into its jackets as proof of authenticity. In November 2018, the company acquired the bootmaker Baffin. In November 2021, Canada Goose launched its first-ever footwear collection. References

User:MrOllie added the "written like an advertisement" flag to the article a few years ago, so I'm going to tag them here, if they want to give their thoughts on the Marketing section and/or my Products draft. Other editors are free to contribute to the discussion as well. Thanks in advance to anyone who takes the time to weigh in. Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 16:05, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Circling back on this and tagging in User:PK650, who worked with one of my predecessors, and User:BuySomeApples, who trimmed the article down earlier this year. If either of you would like to review what I have above and give your thoughts, please feel free. (And if not, no worries!) Thanks so much, Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 21:37, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Pulling in User:Diannaa and User:Edwardx, who have made conscientious edits to the article in the past. If what I've

suggested above sparks your interest, please jump in. Thanks so much Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 21:10, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

I noticed that User:BarrelProof made a bunch of helpful edits to the article about a week ago. Just alerting them to this proposal, in case they would like to weigh in on it. Thanks, Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 16:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

@Canada Goose Isabella: Personally, I find most of the proposed section to be fine. However, if the proposal involves entirely replacing the marketing section, I believe it would be beneficial to incorporate certain elements from the existing marketing section into your proposal. Specifically, retaining details about the red circle would be beneficial as it is a prominent element of the brand. I should note though that the information about the red badge should be drawn from the two citations within the article, rather than the existing content, as that content extrapolates beyond what is written in those citations.

I also believe that the anti-counterfeiting sentence would fit more in the counterfeiting section. That said, if the proposed changes are implemented, I feel it would be suitable to reformat the counterfeiting section into a subsection of the product section, given that it concerns the counterfeiting of products.

Also, the sentence on the US Antarctic and dog sledding makes me wonder if that would be more appropriately placed in the history section, seeing as how it is briefly mentioned in that section's first paragraph. That said, I'm not really attached to that thought as I feel it can be appropriately placed in both, so I'd be more than willing to discuss that with yourself or other editors if people disagree with that. Leventio (talk) 04:46, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

These are very helpful suggestions. Thank you, User:Leventio. Taking your feedback and making a few editorial decisions of my own, I've assembled a Products section that has Marketing, Counterfeiting, and Sustainability and treatment of animals subsections. You can take a look at that full draft within a subspace of my user page.

I'll briefly summarize what I've done with that draft:

• Kept Products the same as it is above, except for a couple minor grammatical tweaks and moving a sentence about counterfeiting to the Counterfeiting subsection
• Trimmed Marketing content so that it's a little leaner overall and reflects what the cited sources say; also cut sentence about Goose's Black Label
• Cut unsourced passage from Counterfeiting and the bit about counterfeiting raising brand awareness in China, lightly rewrote some existing content so that it's more concise and reflects what the sources say
• Condensed the Treatment of coyotes and geese section, added some information about sustainability/environmental efforts the company has recently made, and retitled the subsection Sustainability and treatment of animals

I should emphasize that, in that last subsection, my aim is not to sweep controversies about animal treatment under the rug. Those were well-covered in the press and deserve to be in the article. All I'm trying to do is add context and note that the company has made similarly well-covered efforts to be more animal and environment-friendly over the past few years.

Again, I really appreciate the feedback Leventio. Please let me know if you have any issues with what I'm proposing, or if I can do anything to help the review process. Cheers, Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 21:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Canada Goose Isabella: The draft looks great overall! That said, I do have a few suggestions:

• Somewhat minor, but the "Marketing" subheader can be removed, and the paragraph about the red badge can just exist as a paragraph within the product section itself.
• Concerning the carbon neutral by 2025 sentence, I have a bit of an issue with its inclusion and am inclined to suggest its removal. I'm somewhat of the opinion that it goes against the spirit of WP:FUTURE, as it pertains to an initiative whose progress remains uncertain (at least until sufficient information on its progress is available). At the moment, its inclusion is akin to an unreleased product announcement (or in this case, a CSR announcement).
• I feel that there should be some info about the company's use of reclaimed furs from existing supply chains and its fur recycling efforts (as reported in the NYT article you've cited).

Other than that, I have no concerns with your condensing/trimming of said sections. That said, I'll defer to the opinions of other editors if they feel certain portions of the existing "Treatment of coyotes and geese" section should be included in your draft. Hope this helps! Leventio (talk) 07:27, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks once again for reviewing my draft, User:Leventio. I made the changes you suggested and uploaded a second version of the section draft to my user space. Please follow this link to view it. Dropping the Marketing header and the sentence about going carbon neutral were simple. I also rewrote the passage about coyote fur slightly and added a new reference. What happened was the company initially announced that it was going to use reclaimed fur. Then about a year later, it decided it would instead phase out fur completely.

I hope these edits address your concerns, but please do let me know if you have further feedback. Cheers! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 19:14, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

No worries! With that in mind, I have no issues with your revised draft. That said, I'm going to keep this edit request open for the next day in case other editors (or yourself) spot any issues they want fixed.

Assuming there aren't any further issues though, I'll add your suggested modifications to the article at some point on the weekend and include an attribution to yourself in the edit summary. Cheers! Leventio (talk) 22:07, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

@Canada Goose Isabella: I've added the requested content on to the page. Leventio (talk) 23:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah, that's great! Thanks so much for working with me on these changes, User:Leventio. Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 13:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Canada Goose Isabella: No problem, happy to help!

If you have any other proposals for the page, feel free to give me a shout. Leventio (talk) 21:25, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 10 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. WP:SNOW oppose makes it nigh impossible this will ever succeed. (non-admin closure) ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:49, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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Canada Goose (clothing) → Canada Goose – Move over redirect per WP:SMALLDETAILS. "Canada goose" is a bird; "Canada Goose" is a clothing manufacturer. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:41, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose move, but have "Canada Goose" be a disambiguation page between the goose and the clothing company. Paintspot Infez (talk) 23:16, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Canada goose gets about 40K pageviews a month. Canada Goose (clothing) gets about 650 8600 pageviews a month. This isn't even close. The header notes are more than sufficient; there's not even a good reason to have a dab page. Risker (talk) 00:04, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - The bird is by far the primary topic. - UtherSRG (talk) 00:35, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, the bird is the word. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:54, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

  A well a everybody's heard about the bird. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:16, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Per encyclopedic accuracy, are you sure everybody's heard? Randy Kryn (talk) 14:39, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. The overwhelmingly more common search target for the string "Canada Goose" is the bird, because of the over-capitalization habit common to most (though not all) ornithoscopic and ornithological publications.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  10:48, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. DIFFCAPS does not apply to cases like this one. The important thing is not just to automatically give things like this the base name if the related topic is at a different capitalisation, but to determine what the primary topic for the proposed name. In this case, it is absurd to suggest that this obscure clothing manufacturer is the primary topic for the term Canada Goose, and if read correctly, the WP:DIFFCAPS guideline does not require or advise us to do so.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:22, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per SMcCandlish. Indeed, a few years ago, Wikipedia's own article naming conventions contained an exception to use uppercase for the names of bird and butterfly species, since specialist literature tends to use caps. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:41, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose the bird has 30,415 views compared with 11,337 for the company. As noted above species are commonly capitalized so I don't think this would have been like say Red Meat where the meat is rarely capitalized. However I would agree with Paintspot and move Canada Goose (disambiguation) to the base name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:54, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

For future reference, I just went through and fixed links to Canada Goose and changed them to either Canada goose or Canada Goose (clothing). There were six intended for the bird and two for the clothing brand. SchreiberBike | ⌨  23:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Asking to add new image

Hi again! I'd like to ask about adding a new photo to the page, potentially to replace the photo of the Canada Goose products showing the logo. The new image shows part of the sewing process at the Toronto Canada Goose factory. I've uploaded it to Wikimedia Commons and worked through the process to make sure it is appropriately released. If you go to this link you should see it.

Thank you in advance for looking at this and if anything else is needed for the image, please let me know! Canada Goose Isabella (talk) 20:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't think this is a good idea. All four of the current images show the Canada Goose logo, and we really don't need another photo that focuses entirely on the logo. An image of the actual manufacturing process might be more useful (e.g., how the fill is added to the coats, the process of obtaining and managing the fur, etc). Risker (talk) 01:22, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree with the sentiment that a better image of the manufacturing process would be preferred. But I disagree that it isn't a "good image to use" simply because of the prominence of the logo (also, at least in my own opinion, only one/two of the images in the article place prominence on that).

This article presently has five images, three of which focus on storefronts (two just being entrances), and only two of which abide by MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE guidelines concerning the article's actual content. I'd argue this image is much more relevant than the two storefront entrance images, as that actually (somewhat) depicts content that is written in the article (the Toronto production facility). Also, just for variety's sake, we could surely swap out one of those entrance images in place of this one... Leventio (talk) 04:04, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I went ahead and added the following image, as well as another storefront image that is more relevant to the article's actual content. On a related note, I've also removed the non-relevant/decorative images that were previously in this article. If there is any contention with the use of the image provided by Canada Goose Isabella, feel free to revert so we can discuss it here. Leventio (talk) 22:04, 19 January 2024 (UTC)