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I'm going to create the article for the lower-level exams , as they play an important role and haven't been created.Orthologist 18:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, my name is Louise and I work for Cambridge English Language Assessment. I'm here to update outdated content and suggest information that will improve the quality of Cambridge English Language Assessment related pages. I will abide by Wikipedia's policies and guidelines and would welcome Wikipedians' views on the updates.

Many thanks Louise

Education consultant Cambridge English Language Assessment 1 Hills Road, Cambridge, CB1 2EULouisePope (talk) 19:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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i m going to this exsam. i hope to pass this exsam.i need infomation about exsam, if you can hlpe me. i dont know wherte can i find but i hope so finded. how can i find that information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.116.198.178 (talk) 13:01, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ielts/camb

Looking at this site (and the iELTS site), it is unclear to me what the relationship between the two testing systems is. Kdammers (talk) 06:02, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

official

the cambridge exams are not official..the british council is not the british government..the exams are accredited.. like buying with a credit ard mastercard and not money..in europe the official language school is official..the trinity cambridge ielts are all accredited.recognized but please know they are not official ..I am an examiner of these tests and i work for a private business..not any govt..the american toefl toeic are as well private..from a university princeton in new jersey..no official exam either..redundancy runs rampant..trinity and cambridge both offer kids adults exams..and toefl comes in as well as the fastest growing exam of all nd heaper as its a pc based test..you do it in a room full of pcs with headphones and screens..multitasked..i work in murcia spain and always when people nned an official certificate they need official language school not cambridge or trinity..there is a kind of war today between the 3..cambridge trinity toefl in europe..all 3 want to be the top exam.confusion abounds us as parents nad adult candidates wonder...many say b2 when they mean first certificate cause b2 is a level and also an exam name in the official school..and then there is accent..the cambridge exam always includes british speakers while toefl inclused all..yanks brit south africa aussy irland..much better and corret..international english is what companies want..not someone who only undersntand my queen of english beg your pardon...so many are lost with germans speaking english chinese americans scotland...they say THEY SPEAK BADLY..haha..the candidate should understand all englishes and toefl is on the ball..toefl doesnt sell america. cambridge is such a proud brit always selling my country..now you know why europe has its official lang schools ..to stop the elitist sell..to say that speaking english is not the language of the gods..itsw everyones language..everywhere today thanks to the americans.like petroleum jelly ..everywhere and very sticky.we know who invented it but we dont ever buy the name brand.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.139.193.163 (talk) 15:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

TOEIC, OPIc etc.

At the least, this site should have a 'see-also' link to copetitive/comparable tests such as TOEIC and OPI/OPIc.Kdammers (talk) 18:47, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

Reference no.2 is a dead link. Would this mean we have to take out the information based off of it?

145.109.11.50 (talk) 15:05, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Improving the article

Hello,

My name is Louise. I work for Cambridge English Language Assessment, so I want to be completely open that I have a conflict of interest.

But I also want to help improve the article - particularly when there is out-of-date or factually inaccurate information.

Please let me know what you think of my suggestions, and which changes you think need making. It would be great to do this collaboratively.

The editors have flagged that some of the content is written too much like an advertisement. I therefore suggest removing the following:

"Cambridge English Qualifications are designed to encourage continuous progression."
"There are three exams for young learners aged 6–12: Pre-A1 Starters, A1 Movers and A2 Flyers. These colourful, activity-based exams help young learners take their first steps towards learning English."
"There are three exams designed specifically for older school-age learners: A2 Key for Schools, B1 Preliminary for Schools, and B2 First for Schools. The topics and tasks in these exams are designed to appeal to the interests and experiences of school-aged learners."
"C1 Advanced has become a natural exit level for many school learners, due to ever-growing demands for English language proficiency, and it is accepted around the world for higher education study, work and migration purposes. C2 Proficiency is also available to learners who have mastered English to an exceptional level."
"These qualifications are designed to give learners the skills to succeed, whatever their goals – whether they aspire to get into university, start their own business or develop their career."
Cambridge English Qualifications: Business "test use of English in practical, everyday situations".
"This qualification is designed to help learners when applying for new jobs, getting a promotion or to further develop their career. It shows employers that they are ready to work successfully in international business." Replace with "This qualifications shows that learners are ready to work in international business."
"This qualification is designed to give learners the practical language skills they need to operate confidently at a senior level in global business." Replace with: "This qualification shows that learners have the language skills to operate at a senior level in global business."
"The world’s leading English test for migration and higher education"
"Linguaskill is a quick, convenient online test."
"Cambridge Assessment English provides a range of qualifications, training and support to help teachers of all levels of experiences continually develop their professional skills." Replace with "Qualifications and courses for teachers of all levels of experience."
"This brings together two institutions with a long history of language assessment. The organisations have a number of other similarities: both university-based, not-for-profit exam boards, with a mission to support research and learning."

The editors have also flagged that there is too much reliance on primary sources. I therefore have found some extra sources to include:

Change of organisation name and organisation structure. Source: http://eltnews.eu/news/1585-cambridge-english-language-assessment-changes-it-name
Offering exams for over 100 years. Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cambridge-celebrates-100-years-of-english-language-exams
Recognition. Source: https://www.bellenglish.com/news/5-reasons-choose-cambridge-english-qualification
Links to the CEFR. Source: http://www.linkeducationinc.com/2017/10/27/about-the-cambridge-english-language-assessment/
List of schools exams. Source: https://www.britishcouncil.gr/en/exam/cambridge https://www.teachinghouse.com/blog/why-i-love-being-a-cambridge-speaking-examiner/
List of general exams. Source: https://www.ihes.com/exams/cambridge.html / https://www.britishcouncil.hk/en/exam/cambridge/which/general
List of business exams. Source: https://www.britishcouncil.it/en/exam/cambridge/business-english
Teaching qualifications. Sources: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2006/nov/30/tefl https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/expateducation/4199768/New-qualification-thats-just-the-TKT.html https://ihmilano.com/language-teacher-training/train-the-trainer/ http://www.icd.org.pk/emi-english-as-medium-of-instruction/
Linguaskill. Source: https://thepienews.com/news/simplified-english-language-test-global-acclaim/
IELTS partnership. Source: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-milestones-confirm-ielts-as-the-worlds-leading-test-of-english-for-international-migration-and-higher-education-300431171.html
CaMLA partnership. Source: https://www.esldirectory.com/blog/english-language-exams/cambridge-michigan-language-assessments/
OET partnership. Source: https://www.occupationalenglishtest.org/cambridge-english-language-assessment-purchases-stake-in-oet/
Received the Queen's Award. Sources: https://www.ft.com/content/68193b9c-e74c-11e4-8e3f-00144feab7de / https://www.cambridgenetwork.co.uk/news/cambridge-english-wins-queens-award-for-enterprise/
History of qualification development. I think there is already a good mix of sources in this section, but have also added: http://www.eltnews.gr/education/1520-the-history-of-the-cambridge-exams

Cheers again Louise LouisePope (talk) 12:43, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@LouisePope: thanks for the new secondary sources. Please be WP:BOLD, and go ahead and remove the promotional language. The Mighty Glen (talk) 12:57, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the promotional language and made all the changes suggested above. I hope this addresses the maintenance template issues and will remove this too. But more than happy to make further changes if it hasn't been fully addressed. Cheers again Louise LouisePope (talk) 08:43, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've re-added the templates, and you've asked for clarification at my talk page. Here are a few examples:

Cambridge Assessment English has been providing English language qualifications and tests for over 100 years. Its exams are taken by over 5.5 million people each year, and are recognised by over 20,000 universities, employers and governments around the world.
Cambridge Assessment English is part of Cambridge Assessment, a department of the University of Cambridge, Cambridge Assessment English shares the university's mission to undertake "research at the highest international levels of excellence"
By the start of the 21st century, most of the Cambridge exam suite, which we recognise today, was established. This set the scene for massive growth in candidates.
Many of the exam descriptions in the "Individual exams" sections

The Mighty Glen (talk) 10:17, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

More improvements

Louise again, from Cambridge Assessment English.

I've waited a couple of weeks, just in case anyone else wanted to add suggestions. As mentioned before, I'm more than happy to work on the article together if anyone else want to make edits.

So, here are the suggested changes to reduce promotional language:

Delete: Cambridge Assessment English has been providing English language qualifications and tests for over 100 years. Its exams are taken by over 5.5 million people each year, and are recognised by over 20,000 universities, employers and governments around the world. Although some of this is just straight, factual data - so where applicable I've added to the infobox.

Cambridge English Qualifications: Schools, General and Business: delete table column exam descriptions

Multilevel tests: delete table column 'test description'.

Alignment with the CEFR section, delete: "The CEFR is a series of descriptions of abilities which can be applied to any language. The descriptors are used to help define language proficiency levels and to interpret language qualifications. The CEFR has become accepted as a way of benchmarking language ability not only within Europe but worldwide."

Alignment with the CEFR section, delete: As it became increasingly important to verify claims of alignment to the CEFR, Cambridge English Language Assessment contributed to the authoring and piloting of the Council of Europe’s Manual for Relating Language Examinations to the CEFR.[34] The Manual’s linking process is based on three sets of procedures: specification, standardisation, and empirical validation. These alignment procedures are embedded within the test development and validation cycle of all Cambridge English exams.

Delete: Cambridge Assessment English is part of Cambridge Assessment, a department of the University of Cambridge, Cambridge Assessment English shares the university's mission to undertake "research at the highest international levels of excellence"

In fact, can reduce the whole research section down to the following: " The Cambridge English EFL Evaluation Unit was established in 1989 and was the first dedicated research unit of its kind. This unit is now called the Research and Validation Group and is the largest dedicated research team of any English language assessment body. Research is published in the Studies in Language Testing (SiLT) series.

Delete: By the start of the 21st century, most of the Cambridge exam suite, which we recognise today, was established. This set the scene for massive growth in candidates.

Here are suggested independent sources:

Introduction:

Alignment with the CEFR: Council of Europe, 2007, The Common European Framework of Reference for Languages (CEFR) and the

development of language policies: challenges and responsibilities, https://rm.coe.int/16805c3896

Individual exams:

Cambridge English Qualifications path for improving English: https://teachersmadrid.es/blog/2017/10/06/cambridge-have-modified-their-cefr-versus-exams-chart/

Cambridge English Qualifications for Schools: British Council, English Language Exams A Guide for Parents, https://www.britishcouncil.cz/sites/default/files/british-council-english-exams-guide.pdf

Cambridge English Qualifications for General and Higher Education: Germany, Lingoda GmbH, Berlin,. "English Language Examinations - Lingoda". www.lingoda.com.

Cambridge English Qualifications for Business: Cambridge Business English exam: everything you need to know - Language Partners". www.languagepartners.nl.

Cambridge English Placement Test https://www.englishuk.com/uploads/assets/training/cambridge_placement_test/Guide_to_the_CEPT_for_English_UK_Members.pdf

BULATS https://www.britishcouncil.fr/en/exam/bulats

IELTS official preparation materials https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/services/education/cambridge-university-press-join-hands-with-touchstone-for-the-ielts-partnership-programme/articleshow/57692148.cms

CELT-P: https://www.english-teacher-college.at/2017/01/20/what-are-the-differences-between-tefl-tesol-certtesol-celta-celt-p/

CELT-S: https://www.ihmexico.com/english-teacher-training-courses/celt-s/whats-celt-s/

Language for Teaching: http://blog.exams-catalunya.com/governments-get-course-of-action-for-english-teachers/

ICELT, https://www.britishcouncil.kr/en/teacher/courses-and-resources/icelt

Delta, https://www.theguardian.com/education/2008/may/09/tefl.wordsandlanguage

Partnership section:

OET: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/cambridge-buys-into-box-hill-english-test/news-story/0e05dfcb958a682a89c756755aa1d853?sv=badb671302528938db8de1104c0f9d67 / https://www.specialistlanguagecourses.com/difference-ielts-oet/

Alignment with the CEFR:

Council of Europe, 2007, The Common European Framework of Reference for Languages (CEFR) and the

development of language policies: challenges and responsibilities, https://rm.coe.int/16805c3896

The Common European Framework of Reference: Development, Theoretical and Practical issues, http://www.nationaalcongresengels.nl/cgi-bin/north-ede-wagingen%202007-paper.pdf

Assessment provide information about the CEFR level above and the CEFR level below (extended certification): https://www.britishcouncil.cz/en/exam/cambridge/results

If anyone wanted to keep information about more recent projects related to the CEFR, this link could be used: http://www.meits.org/policy-papers/paper/the-role-of-assessment-in-european-language-policy-a-historical-overview

Research section:

ELT News, The history of Cambridge English exams, http://www.eltnews.eu/education/1520-the-history-of-the-cambridge-exams

UK Trade and Investment (UKTI), Company Profiles, https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/458743/GIM_Brochure_2015_A4_P.pdf

As always, please let me know if this is OK, or if you'd like to see different/further changes.

Cheers again Louise LouisePope (talk) 13:12, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As above, please be WP:BOLD and make the changes, as described in WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. The Mighty Glen (talk) 13:33, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Mighty Glen as Louise is being so open about her CoI - I wonder whether we need the "contributor may have a close connection" tag? I'm going to remove it, but please revert me if you think this wrong.

Thank you Pincrete, for all of your contributions here and at the article. I've restored the tag, which you clearly removed in the same good faith in which LouisePope has been editing. But progress has been slow on this, and the article still reads like a brochure. I'm happy to help with this, and should get some time later today. TMG^talk 06:19, 23 June 2018 (UTC)![reply]

Understood! I think I posted somewhere that the whole topic area (TEFL exams), appeared to me (last time I looked), to be largely cut-and-paste of each board's promotional material - which I have the misfortune to have to read professionally! IMO this serves neither reader nor, ultimately, the boards themselves. Pincrete (talk) 09:00, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

LouisePope, sources independent of CAE are, I believe, NOT required for factual, non-promotional, non-controversial content (structure of exams etc) - CAE is probably the best source for such material. Anything inherently promotional doesn't have much place in the article anyhow and needs to be both attributed (to the body that so described CAE) and independently sourced. You may already have known this - but I just thought it might make your task easier. Pincrete (talk) 21:38, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]