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This page is redirect to from Caenis, linked from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespasian, giving Caenis as the name of Vespasian's mistress. However, this page is not about Vespasian's mistress but the greek legend!

This issue has been fixed. --Valentinian 21:13, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I see that someone has revised the myth page to be about an abduction rather than a rape in the name of historical accuracy. I'm not sure I follow, as the original Latin in Ovid's Metamorphoses (Book 12, lines 195-203) indicates that Poseidon raped Caenis, rather than merely abducting her. That is, Caenis "...endured the violence of the sea god", aequorei vim passa dei est. That suggest rape to me, especially when taken with Caenis' request to "..never suffer the same injury again" a few lines later: tale pati iam posse nihil, where the tale refers to the iniuria in the line above. I think the reference to Poseidon's novae Veneris... gaudia in line 198 is another oblique way of referencing the sexual nature of Poseidon's actions. In any case, I don't think it'd hurt to indicate that Poseidon raped Caenis specifically in Ovid's rendition of the myth. - Batonason (talk) 03:19, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

The IPA shows the English pronunciation as beginning with an "s" sound rather than the Greek hard "k". Is the "s" sound perhaps a regional pronunciation (like US vs UK) or does someone know how it actually came to be pronounced with an s? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.192.152 (talk) 14:25, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The (mis)pronunciation of Greek Κ as "s" is very common in English, cf. centaur, Circe. — Kwi | Talk 00:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Modern appearances of subject

Mythological articles routinely include modern-day cultural appearances, e.g. Achilles includes things which aren't even appearances of the character, just the name, like ships. No reason for this one to be any different. This isn't a classical dictionary. Saevius Nicanor (talk) 12:55, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Saevius Nicanor: WP:IPCV states that entries in popular culture sections should contain verifiable information with sources that establish [their] significance to the article's subject, and MOS:POPCULT says that popular culture references should not be included simply because they exist, and that for inclusion we should have a source which covers the subject's cultural impact in some depth. To add those cultural references we would need sources are in line with these guidelines. Problematic and unsourced popular culture sections (such as at Achilles) are quite common; this, however, is a problem with those pages, and not something to be emulated. – Michael Aurel (talk) 13:09, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Major changes to citation style

@Jamie Eilat: Thanks for your changes, and for adding bibliographic information for some of the scholia and fragments cited. However, this page did have an established citation style, one which is commonly used across pages on Greek mythology, and it's important to note that WP:CITEVAR asks that editors don't change an existing established style without first seeking consensus, with the "To be avoided" section in particular noting adding citation templates to an article that already uses a consistent system without templates. I'm not necessarily suggesting your edits should be undone, or even that they weren't improvements, but I suggest you discuss your proposed change to the citation style with Paul August, who is the author of the article. – Michael Aurel (talk) 02:11, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I would add that one change I disagree with is removing the links to specific passages from Greek and Roman texts and specific pages of books, which I think are convenient and useful. – Michael Aurel (talk) 02:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a fair point to make. I've gone and re-added the page/passage specific external links back into the short citations. — Jamie Eilat (talk) 04:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]