Talk:Cadmus

this article is very poorly written and, like many articles on wikipedia, demonstrates a blatantly antiwestern and pro-semitic bias, in this case via being antigreek and prophoenician

i have attempted to better the article and some racist idiot is deciding to simply undo it.

i'm not wasting my time in an editing war. 107.179.229.114 (talk) 18:47, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

any reference to herodotus as "ancient" is illiterate

herodotus existed in the classical period. ancient greece refers to the period of the mycenaean. any reference to classical greece as "ancient" is horribly wrong and demonstrates a level of base ignorance and absurd illiteracy. i have corrected the language twice, and it's been undone both times. if wikipedia wants to be taken seriously by the outside world, it cannot be referring to herodotus as "ancient". that's not acceptable language. 107.179.229.114 (talk) 18:50, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

the classical greek period runs between the end of the dark age and the conquests of alexander.

ancient greece refers to greece before the bronze age collapse. 107.179.229.114 (talk) 18:52, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

And yet Ancient Greece says "Ancient Greece (Greek: Ἑλλάς, romanized: Hellás) was a northeastern Mediterranean civilization, existing from the Greek Dark Ages of the 12th–9th centuries BC to the end of classical antiquity (c. AD 600),. Doug Weller talk 09:08, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

I think you are confusing the terms "Ancient Greece" with "Archaic Greece" (c. 800 BC to 480 BC). Herodotus was indeed from the Classical Period. But, as Doug Weller points out above, the term "Ancient Greece" includes both the Archaic and Classical periods. Paul August ☎ 10:45, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Upon review of the changes made by 107.179.229.114 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) (now reverted), some may be improvements. In particular some of the content removed as lacking sources, does indeed need sourcing, and may need to be removed if adequate sources are not forthcoming. Paul August ☎ 11:07, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

@Paul August probably, but look at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cadmus&diff=prev&oldid=1104245199] where they actually add unsourced. It's hard to trust this editor. Doug Weller talk 14:02, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Historical status

A statement which called Cadmus the "first Greek hero" was removed because it doesn't reflect ancient Greek literature, which has many different narratives about this figure most of whom were invented in Athens and explicitly focus on him being a negative figure and a "foreigner" as part of the anti-Theban narrative of the Athenian elite. Castiglioni (2010): Cette imagerie aurait eu pour fonction d’établir, en vertu des ressemblances avec l’icône – familière au public athénien – d’Athéna et d’Erichthonios, un parallélismeentre le cycle d’Erichthonios et la représentation de la fondation cadméenne deTèbes, en se servant de la rhétorique de l’autochtonie. Ce serpent thébain inofensif et placide aurait été assimilé par les Athéniens du Ve siècle au paisible gar-dien autochtone de l’acropole de Tèbes, le serpent d’Arès, dont le meurtre aurait permis au barbare Cadmos son installation sur le sol de Tèbes, usurpé et souillé par un crime. Faisant appel à leurs codes de lecture et en les projetant sur un my-the concurrent et dans une dimension politique anti-thébaine, les peintres attiquesmontraient donc l’autochtonie béotienne dans une « logique négative, voire unnégativisme qui représente ce que les Tébains ne sont pas, des autochtones. Ils nesont “que” les descendants de l’errant Cadmos ». Sur la base d’une optique com- parative avec Erichthonios, Tèbes serait donc un exemple d’autochtonie annulée àcause du meurtre perpétré par l’allochthone Cadmos. La Cadmée aurait donc étéà l’origine un lieu éminemment chthonien attaché à une créature serpentine, commela citadelle d’Athènes, mais l’arrivée de Cadmos aurait provoqué la pollution de la pureté originelle--Maleschreiber (talk) 02:27, 6 February 2023 (UTC)