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Editing Synopsis

I'm not too familiar with the protocol on film articles; Is it ok to include song placement and such if it's a musical?MarianKroy (talk) 02:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the Film project's style guidelines: Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines. They don't address the question one way or another. I don't see how it can hurt. But bear in mind that the film project likes short synopses. The guidelines say that Plot summaries should be between 400 and 700 words and certainly no more than 900, so if putting in the song names would throw you over, then reconsider. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Outstanding: 628 words! :) The next step for the article is to discuss the critical reception of the film and get rid of some of those "cite needed" tags near the top of the article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:13, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Family guy reference is missing! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.2.116.43 (talk) 20:20, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Link to Jesse Pearson is wrong

Would somebody please fix the link that goes to a completely different Jesse Pearson? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.24.189.152 (talk) 23:26, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 May 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved (non-admin closure) ~SS49~ {talk} 15:57, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bye Bye Birdie (film) → Bye Bye Birdie (1963 film) – Following Station1's advice, I will start a move discussion from the original title here. Because Bye Bye Birdie (1995 film) is also a film based on the same musical (Bye Bye Birdie), I think that it makes sense to disambiguate the 1963 film article to also include the year in its title, with "Bye Bye Birdie (film)" then becoming an {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} redirect to Bye Bye Birdie (disambiguation). The move was done by Inwind without discussion, and has been reverted for the time being as requested by Station1 at WP:RM/TR. Anthony Appleyard mistakenly started an RM from the new title back to the old one, when it should instead be vice versa, from the old one to the new one. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:12, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. Bye Bye Birdie (film) is indeed WP:INCOMPLETEDISAMBIGUATION and should redirect to Bye Bye Birdie (disambiguation)#Films. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 14:39, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Thank you to GeoffreyT2000 for reverting Inwind's good faith move at my request. Although this move is not tremendously important, the classic 1963 Dick van Dyke/Ann-Margaret movie that gets over 500 hits per day (more than even the musical at the base title)[1] meets the requirements of being the primary topic over the obscure 1995 TV movie that didn't even rate a stub until a few weeks ago and averages fewer than 20 hits per day. WP:INCDAB does allow primary topic situations like this, as confirmed by a recent RfC. - Station1 (talk) 15:11, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:NCF. If the 1963 film was the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, it would simply be a Bye, Bye Birdie. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 15:54, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:NCF. This follows the example of Titanic (1997 film) which is by far the best known film but it is still disambiguated by the release year. Inwind (talk) 16:29, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:NCF, WP:INCDAB and above. --Gonnym (talk) 16:52, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support In my opinion, regadless of subjective importance, not disambiguating films by year is just overly confusing when it already has to be disambiguated._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 20:04, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:NCF and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. It's very simple. Bye Bye Birdie is the primary topic, and all other topics are secondary and thus must be disambiguated from each other. We don't deal in hierarchies because there is no such thing as disambiguation terms outside Wikipedia. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 20:57, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 23:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Multiple movies with this title. Change needed to identify.Pennsylvania2 (talk) 04:18, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Differences from Stage Musical -- songs

When I saw the movie in the '60s, it included the songs "Spanish Rosa," "An English Teacher" and "What Did I Ever See in Him?". Perhaps there have been edits to the film over the years? (Note: I have not seen the stage production.) 2601:1C2:5000:B95E:F1D5:DA1:250D:24F2 (talk) 21:19, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removed from article (unsourced since 2019) (and probably accurate, evidently)

Differences from stage musical

Several significant changes were made in the plot and character relationships in the film from the stage version. The film was rewritten to showcase the talents of rising star Ann-Margret, adding the title song for her and dropping songs by certain other characters. The name of the character Rosie Alvarez was changed to Rosie DeLeon, and the song "Spanish Rose" was dropped for this film. In the film, Albert is neither Birdie's agent nor an aspiring English teacher but a talented research chemist. He contributed to Birdie's initial success, and therefore Birdie "owes" him a favor. Albert has not written "One Last Kiss" when Rosie pitches the idea to Sullivan. In the film, Lou, of "Almaelou", is Mae's deceased husband. In the musical, he was Al and Mae's dog. The film version of "A Lot of Livin' to Do" features Pearson, Ann-Margret and Rydell in a colorful song-and-dance number staged to show Kim and Hugo trying to make each other jealous. The songs "An English Teacher", "Baby, Talk to Me", "What Did I Ever See in Him", and "Normal American Boy" were omitted from the film, as was the "100 Ways to Kill a Man" ballet. The plot structure is altered so The Ed Sullivan Show broadcast is at the end of the movie; in the stage musical, it is at the closing of the first act. The film version ends on a brighter note: Hugo prevents the "last kiss" by running out on stage and knocking Birdie out with a single punch on live television. In doing so, he wins Kim's heart, and the young couple is reunited. There is no arrest of Conrad for statutory rape, forcing him to flee in disguise. In the Broadway musical, Albert's mother is portrayed as a recalcitrant racist and abandoned by her son. In the film, Albert's mother shows up with a man (Mr. Maude) in tow, informs Albert and Rosie that she has married him, and gives Albert and Rosie her blessing for their long-postponed wedding. In the film, Albert and Mr. McAfee agree to become partners selling Albert's chemical formulas. The film ends with Ann-Margret singing a slightly revised version of the title song: "Bye Bye Birdie, the Army's got you now...."

(Feel free to re-add it with a source) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]